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Bio1590 01/28/20 4:30:26 PM #1:	(who the fuck was actually waiting for this in a serious manner lmao) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218 US President Donald Trump has presented his long-awaited Middle East peace plan, promising to keep Jerusalem as Israel's undivided capital. He proposed an independent Palestinian state and the recognition of Israeli sovereignty over West Bank settlements. Standing alongside Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House, Mr Trump said his proposals "could be the last opportunity" for Palestinians. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the plans as a "conspiracy". "I say to Trump and Netanyahu: Jerusalem is not for sale, all our rights are not for sale and are not for bargain. And your deal, the conspiracy, will not pass," he said in a televised address from Ramallah in the West Bank. The blueprint, which aims to solve one of the world's longest-running conflicts, was drafted under the stewardship of President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Thousands of Palestinians protested in the Gaza Strip earlier on Tuesday, while the Israeli military deployed reinforcements in the occupied West Bank. The joint announcement came as both Mr Trump and Mr Netanyahu faced political challenges at home. Mr Trump is the subject of an impeachment trial in the US Senate while the Israeli PM on Tuesday dropped his bid for immunity on corruption charges. Both men deny any wrongdoing. David Friedman, the US ambassador to Israel, said that the timing of the announcement was not tied to any political development, adding it had been "fully baked" for some time. What are Trump's key proposals? "Today, Israel takes a big step towards peace," Mr Trump told officials and reporters at the White House. "My vision presents a win-win opportunity for both sides, a realistic two-state solution that resolves the risk of Palestinian statehood to Israel's security." His proposals are: -The US will recognise Israeli sovereignty over territory that Mr Trump's plan envisages being part of Israel. The plan includes a conceptual map that Mr Trump says illustrates the territorial compromises that Israel is willing to make -The map will "more than double the Palestinian territory and provide a Palestinian capital in eastern Jerusalem", where Mr Trump says the US would open an embassy. The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) said Mr Trump's plan would give Palestinians control over 15% of what it called "historic Palestine". -Jerusalem "will remain Israel's undivided capital". Both Israel and the Palestinians hold competing claims to the holy city. The Palestinians insist that East Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war, be the capital of their future state. -An opportunity for Palestinians to "achieve an independent state of their very own" - however, he gave few details. -"No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes" - suggesting that existing Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank will remain. -Israel will work with the king of Jordan to ensure that the status quo governing the key holy site in Jerusalem known to Jews as the Temple Mount and al-Haram al-Sharif to Muslims is preserved. Jordan runs the religious trust that administers the site. -Territory allocated to Palestinians in Mr Trump's map "will remain open and undeveloped for a period of four years". During that time, Palestinians can study the deal, negotiate with Israel, and "achieve the criteria for statehood". "Palestinians are in poverty and violence, exploited by those seeking to use them as pawns to advance terrorism and extremism. They deserve a far better life," Mr Trump said. He also indicated that the West Bank would not be cut in half under the plan. "We will also work to create a contiguous territory within the future Palestinian state, for when the conditions for statehood are met, including the firm rejection of terrorism," he said. A plan that overturns Palestinian aspirations Until now all of the most difficult aspects of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal - the so-called final status issues - like borders; the future of Israeli settlements in the West Bank; the long-term status of Jerusalem; and the fate of Palestinian refugees, were to be left for face-to-face talks between the Israelis and Palestinians themselves. Not any longer. The deal proposed by President Trump and enthusiastically endorsed by Prime Minister Netanyahu essentially frames all of these issues in Israel's favour. The Palestinians were not just absent from this meeting - they have boycotted the Trump administration ever since it unilaterally moved its embassy to Jerusalem. But they have essentially been presented with an ultimatum - accept the Trump parameters or else, and they have been given some four years to come around. While President Trump is offering the Palestinians a state it would be a much truncated one. No Jewish settlers will be uprooted and Israeli sovereignty will apparently be extended to the settlement blocs and the Jordan Valley. The Palestinians might have a capital in the East Jerusalem suburbs. This "take it or leave it offer" will appal many long-standing students of the region. The question now is not so much what benefit this deal might bring but how much damage it may do by over-turning Palestinian aspirations. What's the background? After holding talks with Mr Trump in Washington on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the president as "the greatest friend that Israel has had in the White House". "The deal of the century is the opportunity of a century, and we're not going to pass it by," he said. Israeli officials said Mr Netanyahu would fly to Moscow on Wednesday to discuss the proposals with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Israeli opposition leader Benny Gantz, who also met Mr Trump on Monday, called the plan "a significant and historic milestone". Palestinian leaders rejected the plan in advance, saying it sought to impose permanent Israeli rule over the West Bank. "The US administration will not find a single Palestinian who supports this project," the Palestinian foreign ministry said in a statement on Sunday. "Trump's plan is the plot of the century to liquidate the Palestinian cause." Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called an emerg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:933609774] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>(who the fuck was actually waiting for this in a serious manner lmao) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218 <quote>US President Donald Trump has presented his long-awaited Middle East peace plan, promising to keep Jerusalem as Israel's undivided capital. He proposed an independent Palestinian state and the recognition of Israeli sovereignty over West Bank settlements. Standing alongside Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House, Mr Trump said his proposals "could be the last opportunity" for Palestinians. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the plans as a "conspiracy". "I say to Trump and Netanyahu: Jerusalem is not for sale, all our rights are not for sale and are not for bargain. And your deal, the conspiracy, will not pass," he said in a televised address from Ramallah in the West Bank. The blueprint, which aims to solve one of the world's longest-running conflicts, was drafted under the stewardship of President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Thousands of Palestinians protested in the Gaza Strip earlier on Tuesday, while the Israeli military deployed reinforcements in the occupied West Bank. The joint announcement came as both Mr Trump and Mr Netanyahu faced political challenges at home. Mr Trump is the subject of an impeachment trial in the US Senate while the Israeli PM on Tuesday dropped his bid for immunity on corruption charges. Both men deny any wrongdoing. David Friedman, the US ambassador to Israel, said that the timing of the announcement was not tied to any political development, adding it had been "fully baked" for some time. What are Trump's key proposals? "Today, Israel takes a big step towards peace," Mr Trump told officials and reporters at the White House. "My vision presents a win-win opportunity for both sides, a realistic two-state solution that resolves the risk of Palestinian statehood to Israel's security." His proposals are: -The US will recognise Israeli sovereignty over territory that Mr Trump's plan envisages being part of Israel. The plan includes a conceptual map that Mr Trump says illustrates the territorial compromises that Israel is willing to make -The map will "more than double the Palestinian territory and provide a Palestinian capital in eastern Jerusalem", where Mr Trump says the US would open an embassy. The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) said Mr Trump's plan would give Palestinians control over 15% of what it called "historic Palestine". -Jerusalem "will remain Israel's undivided capital". Both Israel and the Palestinians hold competing claims to the holy city. The Palestinians insist that East Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war, be the capital of their future state. -An opportunity for Palestinians to "achieve an independent state of their very own" - however, he gave few details. -"No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes" - suggesting that existing Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank will remain. -Israel will work with the king of Jordan to ensure that the status quo governing the key holy site in Jerusalem known to Jews as the Temple Mount and al-Haram al-Sharif to Muslims is preserved. Jordan runs the religious trust that administers the site. -Territory allocated to Palestinians in Mr Trump's map "will remain open and undeveloped for a period of four years". During that time, Palestinians can study the deal, negotiate with Israel, and "achieve the criteria for statehood". "Palestinians are in poverty and violence, exploited by those seeking to use them as pawns to advance terrorism and extremism. They deserve a far better life," Mr Trump said. He also indicated that the West Bank would not be cut in half under the plan. "We will also work to create a contiguous territory within the future Palestinian state, for when the conditions for statehood are met, including the firm rejection of terrorism," he said. A plan that overturns Palestinian aspirations Until now all of the most difficult aspects of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal - the so-called final status issues - like borders; the future of Israeli settlements in the West Bank; the long-term status of Jerusalem; and the fate of Palestinian refugees, were to be left for face-to-face talks between the Israelis and Palestinians themselves. Not any longer. The deal proposed by President Trump and enthusiastically endorsed by Prime Minister Netanyahu essentially frames all of these issues in Israel's favour. The Palestinians were not just absent from this meeting - they have boycotted the Trump administration ever since it unilaterally moved its embassy to Jerusalem. But they have essentially been presented with an ultimatum - accept the Trump parameters or else, and they have been given some four years to come around. While President Trump is offering the Palestinians a state it would be a much truncated one. No Jewish settlers will be uprooted and Israeli sovereignty will apparently be extended to the settlement blocs and the Jordan Valley. The Palestinians might have a capital in the East Jerusalem suburbs. This "take it or leave it offer" will appal many long-standing students of the region. The question now is not so much what benefit this deal might bring but how much damage it may do by over-turning Palestinian aspirations. What's the background? After holding talks with Mr Trump in Washington on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the president as "the greatest friend that Israel has had in the White House". "The deal of the century is the opportunity of a century, and we're not going to pass it by," he said. Israeli officials said Mr Netanyahu would fly to Moscow on Wednesday to discuss the proposals with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Israeli opposition leader Benny Gantz, who also met Mr Trump on Monday, called the plan "a significant and historic milestone". Palestinian leaders rejected the plan in advance, saying it sought to impose permanent Israeli rule over the West Bank. "The US administration will not find a single Palestinian who supports this project," the Palestinian foreign ministry said in a statement on Sunday. "Trump's plan is the plot of the century to liquidate the Palestinian cause." Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called an emerg</quote> ... 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Bio1590 01/28/20 4:30:48 PM #2:	What are the issues at stake? Of all the conflicts in the Middle East, that between Israel and the Palestinians has been the most intractable. Although the two sides signed a breakthrough peace accord in 1993, more than a quarter of a century on the two sides are arguably as far apart as ever. Jerusalem: Both Israel and the Palestinians hold competing claims to the city. Israel, which occupied the formerly Jordanian-held eastern part in 1967, regards the whole of Jerusalem as its capital. The Palestinians insist on East Jerusalem - home to about 350,000 of their community - as the capital of a hoped-for independent state. Palestinian statehood: The Palestinians want an independent state of their own, comprising the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Israeli prime ministers have publicly accepted the notion of a Palestinian state alongside Israel but not what form it should take. Benjamin Netanyahu has said any Palestinian state should be demilitarised with the powers to govern itself but not to threaten Israel. Recognition: Israel insists that any peace deal must include Palestinian recognition of it as the "nation-state of the Jewish people", arguing that without this Palestinians will continue to press their own national claims to the land, causing the conflict to endure. The Palestinians says what Israel calls itself is its own business, but to recognise it as the Jewish state will discriminate against Israel's Arab population of Palestinian origin, who are Muslims, Christians and Druze. Borders: Both sides have fundamentally different ideas as to where the boundaries of a potential Palestinian state should be. The Palestinians insist on borders based on ceasefire lines which separated Israel and East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza between 1949 and 1967. Israel says those lines are militarily indefensible and were never intended to be permanent. It has not said where borders should be, other than making clear its own eastern border should be along the Jordan River. Settlements: Since 1967, Israel has built about 140 settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as 121 outposts - settlements built without the government's authorisation. They have become home to some 600,000 Israeli Jews. Settlements are considered illegal by most of the international community, though Israel disputes this. Palestinians say all settlements must be removed for a Palestinian state to be viable. Mr Netanyahu has vowed not only to never to uproot any settlements but to bring them under Israeli sovereignty. Refugees: The UN says its agencies support about 5.5 million Palestinian refugees in the Middle East (the Palestinian Authority says there are up to 6 million), including the descendants of people who fled or were expelled by Jewish forces from what became Israel in the 1948-49 war. Palestinians insist on their right to return to their former homes, but Israel says they are not entitled to, noting that such a move would overwhelm it demographically and lead to its end as a Jewish state. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:933609792] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote><quote>What are the issues at stake? Of all the conflicts in the Middle East, that between Israel and the Palestinians has been the most intractable. Although the two sides signed a breakthrough peace accord in 1993, more than a quarter of a century on the two sides are arguably as far apart as ever. Jerusalem: Both Israel and the Palestinians hold competing claims to the city. Israel, which occupied the formerly Jordanian-held eastern part in 1967, regards the whole of Jerusalem as its capital. The Palestinians insist on East Jerusalem - home to about 350,000 of their community - as the capital of a hoped-for independent state. Palestinian statehood: The Palestinians want an independent state of their own, comprising the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Israeli prime ministers have publicly accepted the notion of a Palestinian state alongside Israel but not what form it should take. Benjamin Netanyahu has said any Palestinian state should be demilitarised with the powers to govern itself but not to threaten Israel. Recognition: Israel insists that any peace deal must include Palestinian recognition of it as the "nation-state of the Jewish people", arguing that without this Palestinians will continue to press their own national claims to the land, causing the conflict to endure. The Palestinians says what Israel calls itself is its own business, but to recognise it as the Jewish state will discriminate against Israel's Arab population of Palestinian origin, who are Muslims, Christians and Druze. Borders: Both sides have fundamentally different ideas as to where the boundaries of a potential Palestinian state should be. The Palestinians insist on borders based on ceasefire lines which separated Israel and East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza between 1949 and 1967. Israel says those lines are militarily indefensible and were never intended to be permanent. It has not said where borders should be, other than making clear its own eastern border should be along the Jordan River. Settlements: Since 1967, Israel has built about 140 settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as 121 outposts - settlements built without the government's authorisation. They have become home to some 600,000 Israeli Jews. Settlements are considered illegal by most of the international community, though Israel disputes this. Palestinians say all settlements must be removed for a Palestinian state to be viable. Mr Netanyahu has vowed not only to never to uproot any settlements but to bring them under Israeli sovereignty. Refugees: The UN says its agencies support about 5.5 million Palestinian refugees in the Middle East (the Palestinian Authority says there are up to 6 million), including the descendants of people who fled or were expelled by Jewish forces from what became Israel in the 1948-49 war. Palestinians insist on their right to return to their former homes, but Israel says they are not entitled to, noting that such a move would overwhelm it demographically and lead to its end as a Jewish state.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/28/20 4:31:54 PM #3:	Bio1590 posted... were to be left for face-to-face talks between the Israelis and Palestinians themselves. xD this wont last long --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:933609836] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>were to be left for face-to-face talks between the Israelis and Palestinians themselves.</quote> xD this wont last long</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/28/20 4:32:58 PM #4:	Bio1590 posted... The blueprint, which aims to solve one of the world's longest-running conflicts, was drafted under the stewardship of President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner The plan is a shitty plan, but it should also be noted that the president's son-in-law was given authority to do this for, uh, reasons. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:933609882] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>The blueprint, which aims to solve one of the world's longest-running conflicts, was drafted under the stewardship of President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner</quote> The plan is a shitty plan, but it should also be noted that the president's son-in-law was given authority to do this for, uh, reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 01/28/20 4:33:45 PM #5:	https://twitter.com/naftibaby/status/1222228622829850624?s=19 --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:933609915] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/naftibaby/status/1222228622829850624?s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 01/28/20 4:35:50 PM #6:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/naftibaby/status/1222228622829850624?s=19 https://twitter.com/OldFirenza/status/1222251786863509506 This reply wins the internet --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:933609999] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/naftibaby/status/1222228622829850624?s=19 </quote> https://twitter.com/OldFirenza/status/1222251786863509506 This reply wins the internet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/28/20 4:38:13 PM #7:	Antifar posted... The plan is a shitty plan, but it should also be noted that the president's son-in-law was given authority to do this for, uh, reasons. Best man for the job! Trump never met the guy, but heard GREAT things. Now what was that bout Biden you said? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:933610107] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>The plan is a shitty plan, but it should also be noted that the president's son-in-law was given authority to do this for, uh, reasons.</quote>Best man for the job! Trump never met the guy, but heard GREAT things. Now what was that bout Biden you said? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/28/20 4:40:11 PM #8:	The only qualification the guy who wrote this plan has is fucking Trump's daughter Seriously --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:933610194] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>The only qualification the guy who wrote this plan has is fucking Trump's daughter Seriously </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spudger 01/28/20 4:45:06 PM #10:	Doom_Art posted... The only qualification the guy who wrote this plan has is fucking Trump's daughter Seriously the best people just the best --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:933610431] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>The only qualification the guy who wrote this plan has is fucking Trump's daughter Seriously </quote> the best people just the best</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 01/28/20 5:15:14 PM #11:	https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880 LOL Kushner can't even be bothered to hide his contempt for the Palestinians, but I'm sure he totally has their interests at heart and his plan isn't just a neat way to formalize Palestine as a "reservation" for Muslims. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:933611853] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880 LOL Kushner can't even be bothered to hide his contempt for the Palestinians, but I'm sure he totally has their interests at heart and his plan isn't just a neat way to formalize Palestine as a "reservation" for Muslims. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/28/20 5:19:13 PM #12:	Was there ever a good reason given why Israel shouldn't get to keep the territorial gains from the Six-Day War? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:933612015] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Was there ever a good reason given why Israel shouldn't get to keep the territorial gains from the Six-Day War? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SiO4 01/28/20 5:22:22 PM #14:	ElatedVenusaur posted... https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880 LOL Kushner can't even be bothered to hide his contempt for the Palestinians, but I'm sure he totally has their interests at heart and his plan isn't just a neat way to formalize Palestine as a "reservation" for Muslims. Pretty much. As it is the Palestinins are already totally fucked over. Isreal outside of the city has more or less become New Jersey in the middle east. The whole thing is sicking and the only person that could probably make this worse is Trump. If Trump could keep his fuckery to stupid sound bites and tweets I could deal with it. We could deal with it. But once he starts fucking with the world, it becomes a whole other game. --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC <cite>SiO4 posted [p:933612149] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880 LOL Kushner can't even be bothered to hide his contempt for the Palestinians, but I'm sure he totally has their interests at heart and his plan isn't just a neat way to formalize Palestine as a "reservation" for Muslims. </quote> Pretty much. As it is the Palestinins are already totally fucked over. Isreal outside of the city has more or less become New Jersey in the middle east. The whole thing is sicking and the only person that could probably make this worse is Trump. If Trump could keep his fuckery to stupid sound bites and tweets I could deal with it. We could deal with it. But once he starts fucking with the world, it becomes a whole other game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 01/28/20 5:22:32 PM #15:	ElatedVenusaur posted... https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880 I can never figure out who the dumbest Trump is, because every time one of them says the dumbest shit another one steps up to "Hold my beer" it. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:933612154] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1222261401395322880</quote>I can never figure out who the dumbest Trump is, because every time one of them says the dumbest shit another one steps up to "Hold my beer" it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/28/20 5:22:36 PM #16:	shockthemonkey posted... Arent you a Holocaust skeptic? I'm not getting baited into that again. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:933612160] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Arent you a Holocaust skeptic?</quote>I'm not getting baited into that again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRealDill2015 01/28/20 5:24:43 PM #18:	It's about time we have someone put forth a legitimate effort toward peace in the region. --- Proud supporter of the GEOTUS <cite>TheRealDill2015 posted [p:933612253] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>It's about time we have someone put forth a legitimate effort toward peace in the region.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/28/20 5:25:27 PM #19:	Peace between Israel and Palestine is a pipe dream longer than that tunnel. He could have had Baron write it in literal crayon and it wouldn't be any different. It's not possible given the conditions both parties put forward. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933612282] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Peace between Israel and Palestine is a pipe dream longer than that tunnel. He could have had Baron write it in literal crayon and it wouldn't be any different. It's not possible given the conditions both parties put forward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/28/20 6:03:23 PM #20:	Hmm https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1222267596210343940 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:933613748] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Hmm https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1222267596210343940</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/28/20 7:53:46 PM #21:	Antifar posted... Hmm https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1222267596210343940 Lmao, the quote he made is even worse when in context of everything else he said. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:933618205] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Hmm https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1222267596210343940</quote>Lmao, the quote he made is even worse when in context of everything else he said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 01/28/20 8:00:58 PM #22:	Not going to work, just like the last president's who tried. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:933618485] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Not going to work, just like the last president's who tried. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cmiller4642 01/28/20 8:01:29 PM #23:	Fuck him <cite>cmiller4642 posted [p:933618505] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Fuck him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 01/28/20 8:03:45 PM #24:	Didn't the PM just get indicted lol --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:933618608] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Didn't the PM just get indicted lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 01/28/20 8:09:16 PM #25:	Wasn't this supposed to be that ass gasket Kushner's plan? You know, the guy with so many shady foreign ties, influencers and connections that he can't legitimately get a security clearance. I wonder how many of those shady cooks were in the kitchen on this one. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. <cite>brestugo posted [p:933618839] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't this supposed to be that ass gasket Kushner's plan? You know, the guy with so many shady foreign ties, influencers and connections that he can't legitimately get a security clearance. I wonder how many of those shady cooks were in the kitchen on this one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SiO4 01/28/20 9:12:26 PM #26:	brestugo posted... Wasn't this supposed to be that ass gasket Kushner's plan? You know, the guy with so many shady foreign ties, influencers and connections that he can't legitimately get a security clearance. I wonder how many of those shady cooks were in the kitchen on this one. He's been studying this...for three years. Three Years~! --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC <cite>SiO4 posted [p:933621197] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't this supposed to be that ass gasket Kushner's plan? You know, the guy with so many shady foreign ties, influencers and connections that he can't legitimately get a security clearance. I wonder how many of those shady cooks were in the kitchen on this one. </quote> He's been studying this...for three years. Three Years~!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/28/20 9:17:21 PM #27:	That is the dumbest looking country in the world. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933621399] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>That is the dumbest looking country in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 01/28/20 9:18:14 PM #28:	This man saved the USA and the MIDDLE EAST yet liberals still hate him?????????? --- //constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:933621442] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>This man saved the USA and the MIDDLE EAST yet liberals still hate him?????????? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaiIs82 01/28/20 9:55:51 PM #29:	Israel has been waiting for this, for over 70 years. They shouldn't have to wait another 70. This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years. It is common sense and a recognition of reality. And the reality is, the diplomat class approach that has taken place for decades has accomplished nothing. After all, why would it? Why would the PA want a change in the status quo when the status quo is we gave them millions for nothing, they enriched themselves or used the money to reward terrorist families, and then for every time the PA complained, Israel would get lectured? Predictably, this approach has led to nothing but more problems - our taxpayer money sent over year after year, only to get rockets in return. President Trump understands that deals require leverage. So the approach here is very obvious. If the PA wants a state, start acting like a state and show up to negotiations. Stop funding terrorist militias. Take steps against corruption and hold elections this decade. But if the PA doesn't want to show, then the president will work with the responsible actors who have come to the table and are friendly with us, the Arab states and the democratic state of Israel. If the PA doesn't want to put in any effort, then nothing is exactly what they will get. If they reject any option put in front of them and just want to keep screaming, the world will pass them by. --- Hero/Legend of 2020, Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196- The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009 <cite>TaiIs82 posted [p:933623088] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Israel has been waiting for this, for over 70 years. They shouldn't have to wait another 70. This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years. It is common sense and a recognition of reality. And the reality is, the diplomat class approach that has taken place for decades has accomplished nothing. After all, why would it? Why would the PA want a change in the status quo when the status quo is we gave them millions for nothing, they enriched themselves or used the money to reward terrorist families, and then for every time the PA complained, Israel would get lectured? Predictably, this approach has led to nothing but more problems - our taxpayer money sent over year after year, only to get rockets in return. President Trump understands that deals require leverage. So the approach here is very obvious. If the PA wants a state, start acting like a state and show up to negotiations. Stop funding terrorist militias. Take steps against corruption and hold elections this decade. But if the PA doesn't want to show, then the president will work with the responsible actors who have come to the table and are friendly with us, the Arab states and the democratic state of Israel. If the PA doesn't want to put in any effort, then nothing is exactly what they will get. If they reject any option put in front of them and just want to keep screaming, the world will pass them by. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 01/28/20 9:56:36 PM #30:	TaiIs82 posted... Trump understands nothing. --- Not posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:933623114] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>TaiIs82 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump understands</quote>nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelloImaPC 01/28/20 10:15:39 PM #31:	So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan? --- People who looked at this writing in my sig: 34,931 <cite>HelloImaPC posted [p:933623947] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 01/28/20 10:23:52 PM #32:	HelloImaPC posted... So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan? Not even in the slightest. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:933624272] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>HelloImaPC posted...</cite> <quote>So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan? </quote> Not even in the slightest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 01/28/20 10:25:22 PM #33:	HelloImaPC posted... So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan? But they get the privelege of paying for their own security - or else. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. <cite>brestugo posted [p:933624337] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>HelloImaPC posted... </cite> <quote>So I'm lost...Palestine wasn't involved in their own peace plan?</quote>But they get the privelege of paying for their own security - or else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/28/20 10:26:17 PM #34:	TaiIs82 posted... Israel has been waiting for this, for over 70 years. They shouldn't have to wait another 70. This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years. It is common sense and a recognition of reality. And the reality is, the diplomat class approach that has taken place for decades has accomplished nothing. After all, why would it? Why would the PA want a change in the status quo when the status quo is we gave them millions for nothing, they enriched themselves or used the money to reward terrorist families, and then for every time the PA complained, Israel would get lectured? Predictably, this approach has led to nothing but more problems - our taxpayer money sent over year after year, only to get rockets in return. President Trump understands that deals require leverage. So the approach here is very obvious. If the PA wants a state, start acting like a state and show up to negotiations. Stop funding terrorist militias. Take steps against corruption and hold elections this decade. But if the PA doesn't want to show, then the president will work with the responsible actors who have come to the table and are friendly with us, the Arab states and the democratic state of Israel. If the PA doesn't want to put in any effort, then nothing is exactly what they will get. If they reject any option put in front of them and just want to keep screaming, the world will pass them by. Why the fuck should America be at the table at all? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933624383] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>TaiIs82 posted... </cite> <quote>Israel has been waiting for this, for over 70 years. They shouldn't have to wait another 70. This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years. It is common sense and a recognition of reality. And the reality is, the diplomat class approach that has taken place for decades has accomplished nothing. After all, why would it? Why would the PA want a change in the status quo when the status quo is we gave them millions for nothing, they enriched themselves or used the money to reward terrorist families, and then for every time the PA complained, Israel would get lectured? Predictably, this approach has led to nothing but more problems - our taxpayer money sent over year after year, only to get rockets in return. President Trump understands that deals require leverage. So the approach here is very obvious. If the PA wants a state, start acting like a state and show up to negotiations. Stop funding terrorist militias. Take steps against corruption and hold elections this decade. But if the PA doesn't want to show, then the president will work with the responsible actors who have come to the table and are friendly with us, the Arab states and the democratic state of Israel. If the PA doesn't want to put in any effort, then nothing is exactly what they will get. If they reject any option put in front of them and just want to keep screaming, the world will pass them by.</quote>Why the fuck should America be at the table at all? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 01/28/20 10:26:53 PM #35:	brestugo posted... But they get the privelege of paying for their own security - or else. And they get a bunch of empty desert to farm and build -undefined high-tech industry- in! Not to mention the "right" to build a tunnel twice as long as any tunnel ever built. I'm sure the Israelis will be totally chill about it too. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:933624410] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite> <quote>But they get the privelege of paying for their own security - or else.</quote>And they get a bunch of empty desert to farm and build -undefined high-tech industry- in! Not to mention the "right" to build a tunnel twice as long as any tunnel ever built. I'm sure the Israelis will be totally chill about it too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 01/28/20 10:44:17 PM #36:	TaiIs82 posted... This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years. Oh well shit, if Tails "I spent years of my life crying about a video game site" 82 says it should be done, then let's fucking go. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:933625098] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>TaiIs82 posted... </cite> <quote>This plan takes several steps that I've called for, for years.</quote>Oh well shit, if Tails "I spent years of my life crying about a video game site" 82 says it should be done, then let's fucking go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 01/28/20 10:45:35 PM #37:	This is just just going to escalate violence in the region now. They are going to throw enough ordinance at each other, as to render the whole area unlivable. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:933625143] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>This is just just going to escalate violence in the region now. They are going to throw enough ordinance at each other, as to render the whole area unlivable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/28/20 10:49:58 PM #38:	yes, i want tails ideas dictating ME policy eye roll off the fucking planet --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:933625302] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>yes, i want tails ideas dictating ME policy eye roll off the fucking planet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 01/28/20 10:56:24 PM #39:	DrizztLink posted... Oh well shit, if Tails "I spent years of my life crying about a video game site" 82 says it should be done, then let's fucking go. Lmao <cite>Axiom posted [p:933625535] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>Oh well shit, if Tails "I spent years of my life crying about a video game site" 82 says it should be done, then let's fucking go.</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SiO4 01/28/20 11:32:05 PM #40:	hockeybub89 posted... Why the fuck should America be at the table at all? I'm pretty sure Britain set this up, post WWII. It's funny, America thinks it gained independence from the England, but we have been their bitches for about a hundred years now. Well played England, well played. --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC <cite>SiO4 posted [p:933626944] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Why the fuck should America be at the table at all? </quote> I'm pretty sure Britain set this up, post WWII. It's funny, America thinks it gained independence from the England, but we have been their bitches for about a hundred years now. Well played England, well played.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/29/20 10:59:01 AM #41:	dumdum plan --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:933642092] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>dumdum plan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SocksForWok999 01/29/20 11:01:17 AM #42:	Sounds good but theres no suspense that the haters refuse to think about any of it. --- iPhone 11 Pro Max / Ryzen 9 3950X / Sapphire Pulse RX5700 XT Steam: BloodFeasty / PSN: BloodFislandMan / XBL: EvoTech462 = Unbiased Gamer <cite>SocksForWok999 posted [p:933642193] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Sounds good but theres no suspense that the haters refuse to think about any of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 01/29/20 11:05:09 AM #43:	i liked obama's proposal for israel to revert to pre-1967 borders though the 1947 borders would be preferable to that --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:933642327] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>i liked obama's proposal for israel to revert to pre-1967 borders though the 1947 borders would be preferable to that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 01/29/20 11:24:19 AM #44:	https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1222267596210343940 --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:933643027] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1222267596210343940 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/29/20 11:40:08 AM #45:	TheMikh posted... i liked obama's proposal for israel to revert to pre-1967 borders though the 1947 borders would be preferable to that The problem is both open up Israel to attacks they can't possibly defend against. The Golan Heights, in particular, would open Israel up to attacks the Iron Dome couldn't stop. Issues of houses on the west bank aside for the moment, asking Israel to give up that territory is (willingly or otherwise) demanding that they accept their total destruction the next time some country decides they want to invade (and given how often it's actually happened to them, next time isn't an "if" but a "when"). Here's a BBC article providing a bit more detail: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14724842 Southern Syria and the capital Damascus, about 60 km (40 miles) north, are clearly visible from the top of the Heights while Syrian artillery regularly shelled the whole of northern Israel from 1948 to 1967 when Syria controlled the Heights. The heights give Israel an excellent vantage point for monitoring Syrian movements. The topography provides a natural buffer against any military thrust from Syria. It would also almost completely cut off Israel from access to fresh water: But the main sticking point during the 1999 talks is also likely to bedevil any future discussions. Syria wants a full Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 border. This would give Damascus control of the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee - Israel's main source of fresh water. East Jerusalem is also home to all the major holy sites, including the Temple of the Mount (Jews' holiest site) and Al-Aqsa Mosque (Islam's 3rd or 4th holiest site). For Israel, ceding East Jerusalem to Palestine is basically asking them to give up the very central reason they wanted a home in the region in the first place. There's also no guarantee the Jewish holy sites won't just get demolished the moment control is given up unless it's actively managed by a third party like it is today. Further complicating things, Palestine is demanding a total withdrawal of people living in settlements AND repatriation for all the families and their descendants who fled when war broke out. That's about 600,000 jews made instantly homeless, which is bad, but repatriation covers about 6 million arab muslims. Israel's total population is only about 9 million, so what Palestine is demanding is effectively total control over Israeli government the very next time an election is held. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51292865 Peace between these groups is impossible. The most fundamental, core demands from each side in a 2 state solution are mutually exclusive. It's trying to apply a secular, logical framework to a thousand+ year old religious feud that has only festered and gotten worse with time. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933643619] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>TheMikh posted... </cite> <quote>i liked obama's proposal for israel to revert to pre-1967 borders though the 1947 borders would be preferable to that</quote> The problem is both open up Israel to attacks they can't possibly defend against. The Golan Heights, in particular, would open Israel up to attacks the Iron Dome couldn't stop. Issues of houses on the west bank aside for the moment, asking Israel to give up that territory is (willingly or otherwise) demanding that they accept their total destruction the next time some country decides they want to invade (and given how often it's actually happened to them, next time isn't an "if" but a "when"). Here's a BBC article providing a bit more detail: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14724842 <quote>Southern Syria and the capital Damascus, about 60 km (40 miles) north, are clearly visible from the top of the Heights while Syrian artillery regularly shelled the whole of northern Israel from 1948 to 1967 when Syria controlled the Heights. The heights give Israel an excellent vantage point for monitoring Syrian movements. The topography provides a natural buffer against any military thrust from Syria.</quote> It would also almost completely cut off Israel from access to fresh water: <quote>But the main sticking point during the 1999 talks is also likely to bedevil any future discussions. Syria wants a full Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 border. This would give Damascus control of the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee - Israel's main source of fresh water.</quote> East Jerusalem is also home to all the major holy sites, including the Temple of the Mount (Jews' holiest site) and Al-Aqsa Mosque (Islam's 3rd or 4th holiest site). For Israel, ceding East Jerusalem to Palestine is basically asking them to give up the very central reason they wanted a home in the region in the first place. There's also no guarantee the Jewish holy sites won't just get demolished the moment control is given up unless it's actively managed by a third party like it is today. Further complicating things, Palestine is demanding a total withdrawal of people living in settlements AND repatriation for all the families and their descendants who fled when war broke out. That's about 600,000 jews made instantly homeless, which is bad, but repatriation covers about 6 million arab muslims. Israel's total population is only about 9 million, so what Palestine is demanding is effectively total control over Israeli government the very next time an election is held. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51292865 Peace between these groups is impossible. The most fundamental, core demands from each side in a 2 state solution are mutually exclusive. It's trying to apply a secular, logical framework to a thousand+ year old religious feud that has only festered and gotten worse with time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 01/29/20 11:40:16 AM #46:	ultimate reaver posted... https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1222267596210343940 He has the most punchable face in politics. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. <cite>brestugo posted [p:933643623] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1222267596210343940</quote> He has the most punchable face in politics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 01/30/20 12:26:45 AM #47:	https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/jared-kushner-peace-plan-palestinians Not surprisingly, the whole thing was panned by experts, one of whom described Kushners plan as the Monty Python sketch of Israeli-Palestinian peace initiatives. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:933674152] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/jared-kushner-peace-plan-palestinians <quote>Not surprisingly, the whole thing was panned by experts, one of whom described Kushners plan as the Monty Python sketch of Israeli-Palestinian peace initiatives.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 01/30/20 12:34:10 AM #48:	Its done in exactly the same way that Republicans treat politics in America. They tell you to shut up and do what they ask, which is always completely in their favor and to your detriment, or you can be punished for not rolling over. They just pushed that kind of thinking into a peace agreement with Israel taking their place. --- Currently playing: Psychonauts, BioShock In limbo: Strider, Jet Force Gemini <cite>davyheinz posted [p:933674373] in Trump rele... [t:78366514]...</cite> <quote>Its done in exactly the same way that Republicans treat politics in America. They tell you to shut up and do what they ask, which is always completely in their favor and to your detriment, or you can be punished for not rolling over. They just pushed that kind of thinking into a peace agreement with Israel taking their place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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