Current Events > How come people hate Fire Emblem Fates, but love Three Houses?

(+) Yeah! (+)

They both seem like perfectly good games.

Also is Three Houses considered the best FE game now?

The criticism I've seen of Fates has to do with the writing quality, and the way the game goes all in on some of the waifu stuff. Three Houses dials that back a good amount.
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Fates story is god awful, it literally makes 0 sense for the player to ever side with Nohr unless they went all in on an evil route, which they didn't.

3H story might not be a masterpiece, but it's still pretty good, and most character are not 1 note memes.

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fates' story and writing is bottom of the barrel bad fanfiction trash.

the 3DS fire emblems in general are utterly horrendous when it comes to stuff like world building and lore

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because fates is bad and three houses is not bad

this is not rocket science

Fire Emblem Heroes is where it's at.

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Fates had shit writing and shit characters

TH has good writing and good characters.

Simple.

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Reis posted...

three houses is not bad

Where did this role reversal come from?

I hate both, there hasn't been a good FE since Radiant Dawn

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Irony posted...

I hate both, there hasn't been a good FE since Radiant Dawn

Yeah but youre you

PBusted posted...

Yeah but youre you

Ok Scotty

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Fates has good gameplay but has absolutely nothing going for its plot, it literally didn't even try to establish lore (it's the only FE that takes place on an unknown continent, so fans mockingly call it "Fateslandia"), most of its characters are extremely flat, and it goes too hard on dating sim aspects and includes child characters for reasons that aren't justified in the plot and just feel embarrassingly tacked on (they literally throw the kids into magic portals where time moves faster and they just kind of happen to age up to the exact age that they need to be to fight in a war).

TH is a great FE game. Not perfect overall, but it's definitely one of my favorite FEs and ranks near the top of my list.

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Ivynn posted...

TH has good writing

What

Antifar posted...

The criticism I've seen of Fates has to do with the writing quality, and the way the game goes all in on some of the waifu stuff. Three Houses dials that back a good amount.

This. I really like Three Houses, but Fates is better than Three Houses as a traditional FE strategy game and content volume wise. Especially when it comes to overall variety, having pvp, better online features and old FE cameos.

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Irony posted...

Ok Scotty

Youre closer to the type of person he is and you know it.

MarthGoomba posted...

What

Compared to Fates at least lol

Fates was just that bad. TH may not be Shakespeare but at least it was more engaging and fun and didn't have anything as stupid as Azura's '"the best idea to convince everyone Garon is a monster is to invade a sovereign nation, kill a bunch of innocent people and sit on a chair!"

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fates is terrible

3H is flawed, but still enjoyable

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Fates and Shadow Dragon are the only mainline Fire Emblem games released outside of Japan that I have skipped.

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it's worth saying that if you're a player who doesn't give even the slightest fuck about story, Conquest does have some worth. it has some interesting map design

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It's a shame the writing for Fates sucks. The concept and character design deserved better.

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Fates has no likeable characters in the game. None whatsoever imo

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Delirious_Beard posted...

it's worth saying that if you're a player who doesn't give even the slightest fuck about story, Conquest does have some worth. it has some interesting map design

Conquest's gameplay is great and it was frankly the first FE game since Radiant Dawn to actually care about map design.

It has one of the worst stories I have heard.

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Fates has the worst protagonist in the entire series on top of the world building being non-existent and a very shallow story.

Three Houses writing still has a lot of flaws, but Three Houses has an actual world we learn about. Plus the characters of Three Houses are far less one note than fates.

The only thing Fates did better than Three Houses was Conquest Lunatic being an actual challenge with some good map design.

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From what I remember of Fates/Conquest

I was alright with most things going on up until like the last third then I feel like I watched a series of character assassinations by suicide. Everybody became awful and generally unlikable. At the very least unrootable.

Birthright I mostly brain dumped.

And the middle path just felt tacked on.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Fates and Shadow Dragon are the only mainline Fire Emblem games released outside of Japan that I have skipped.

shadow dragon is okay

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I don't really get why Fates gets hammered for waifu shit when TH has you spending much, much more time with its characters.

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The writing in Fates is pretty damn bad, but its gameplay is top notch. I love it, myself.

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Reminder that Fates literally doesn't have a name for it's continent.

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jimbiz posted...

Fates has no likeable characters in the game. None whatsoever imo

Nyx and Niles are great.

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Gheb posted...

Conquest's gameplay is great and it was frankly the first FE game since Radiant Dawn to actually care about map design.

It has one of the worst stories I have heard.

But the weapon system sucked. No durability loss for stat loss instead for wielding made most of the higher tier weapons useless.

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Because Fates is bad and Three Houses is good duh.

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LightHawKnight posted...

But the weapon system sucked. No durability loss for stat loss instead for wielding made most of the higher tier weapons useless.

I didn't necessarily mind the idea but I think the balancing was jacked up beyond reason. Like I think Silver Weapons took the worst hit from the stat debuffs. If you have a silver weapon equipped on enemy phase and get attacked by 5 units, then your unit is basically debuffed to the point of uselessness for the rest of the chapter. And it isn't like silver weapons were that much stronger to warrant such a debuffing. On the flip side you had Brave Weapons that only reduced your defense while equipped allowing you to become a murder death machine at the cost of some durability.

I think the S rank weapons weren't so bad. Most only rendered your unit less viable for the next turn and had the might to make that sacrifice worthwhile. That said a lot of the ranged ones just caused debuffs to defense while equipped and those rarely came into play because the characters using them are rarely got counter-attacked or left themselves open to attack on enemy phase.


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Birthright is a much worse Fire Emblem Awakening. Conquest probably has the best gameplay in the series but the writing is atrocious which impacts enjoyment. Revelation felt tacked on and was horribly unbalanced. Its a shame since Fates had incredible music and interesting design choices. Fire Emblem with ninjas and samurai sounds awesome but they dropped the ball. Really hoping the shinobi setting is revisited one day in this series.

Three Houses has a much better story, better characters, a lot of content, and more. Its not a perfect game by any means but its more enjoyable than Fates at least.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

fates' story and writing is bottom of the barrel bad fanfiction trash.

the 3DS fire emblems in general are utterly horrendous when it comes to stuff like world building and lore

Shadows of Valentina does Solid in that regard and Awakening is okay.

Fates is the egregious one.

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pikachupwnage posted...

Shadows of Valentina does Solid in that regard and Awakening is okay.

Fates is the egregious one.

not gonna lie i forgot completely about echoes. is it worth playing despite the fact that most of Gaiden's maps were wack as fuck?

awakening would have been a much better game if it had just focused on the Ylisse/Plegia conflict and its history and axed the Valm/Walhart arc entirely. for some reason the game barely mentions the history between the two countries and why tensions are so strained between them.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

not gonna lie i forgot completely about echoes. is it worth playing despite the fact that most of Gaiden's maps were wack as fuck?

awakening would have been a much better game if it had just focused on the Ylisse/Plegia conflict and its history and axed the Valm/Walhart arc entirely. for some reason the game barely mentions the history between the two countries and why tensions are so strained between them.

I like Echoes, but keep in mind it's literally an NES plot that's prettied up a lot with admittedly really good voice acting and music. Not a bad plot by any means, just a bit simpler, which can arguably be a good thing. Has a few characters exclusive to the remake, some being better integrated than others. There's like, 1 character I outright hate for the wrong reasons, which is pretty good for Fire Emblem all things considered. It'll probably be one of those games you play once and then shelve/sell due to lacking replay value.
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Echoes writing was pretty decent outside of Celica's route near the end. They really dropped the ball on the end of her route.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

not gonna lie i forgot completely about echoes. is it worth playing despite the fact that most of Gaiden's maps were wack as fuck?

awakening would have been a much better game if it had just focused on the Ylisse/Plegia conflict and its history and axed the Valm/Walhart arc entirely. for some reason the game barely mentions the history between the two countries and why tensions are so strained between them.

The thing Echoes succeeds in is its presentation. The gameplay itself is a bit wonky although improved from Gaiden of course. Although Tellius gameplay is also wonky and people love it due to its presentation. The Tellius crowd generally like Echoes more than Awakening and Fates.