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1NfamousACE_2 01/26/20 12:23:11 PM #1:	It has no effect on me --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:933506370] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>It has no effect on me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 01/26/20 12:24:22 PM #3:	Why do old people vote on climate issues? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:933506417] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Why do old people vote on climate issues?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 01/26/20 12:24:24 PM #4:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQMHfXTeBA --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:933506418] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQMHfXTeBA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/26/20 12:24:55 PM #5:	Why do straight people vote on LGBT rights? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933506440] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Why do straight people vote on LGBT rights? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/26/20 12:25:25 PM #6:	I think it's important for both people to vote on this issue. From a man's perspective, it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing. Conversely, if the man doesn't want the child but the woman continues to have the baby anyway, it usually puts the man in a legal bind where he is obligated to provide and pay for the child up to a certain age. Just a lot of considerations that go around, those are just the first two that pop into mind and I'm sure there are plenty of others --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:933506456] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>I think it's important for both people to vote on this issue. From a man's perspective, it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing. Conversely, if the man doesn't want the child but the woman continues to have the baby anyway, it usually puts the man in a legal bind where he is obligated to provide and pay for the child up to a certain age. Just a lot of considerations that go around, those are just the first two that pop into mind and I'm sure there are plenty of others </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 01/26/20 12:26:51 PM #7:	Hexenherz posted... it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing. You realize she's gonna do that anyways? --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:933506503] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing.</quote> You realize she's gonna do that anyways? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 01/26/20 12:27:26 PM #8:	hockeybub89 posted... Why do straight people vote on LGBT rights? Right to marriage? Sounds terrible coming from people on their 3rd marriage --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:933506525] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do straight people vote on LGBT rights?</quote> Right to marriage? Sounds terrible coming from people on their 3rd marriage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/26/20 12:27:40 PM #9:	Hexenherz posted... From a man's perspective, it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing. Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933506532] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>From a man's perspective, it can help prevent a woman from unilaterally deciding to abort a child without consulting the partner which can be a pretty serious thing.</quote>Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 01/26/20 12:29:30 PM #10:	to protect their self interest --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:933506589] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>to protect their self interest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sondast 01/26/20 12:30:15 PM #11:	Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor? --- Take a lesson from parakeets. If you're ever feeling lonely, just eat in front of a mirror. <cite>sondast posted [p:933506610] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/26/20 12:32:27 PM #12:	Why do people vote, when politicans don't care about them anyway? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:933506679] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Why do people vote, when politicans don't care about them anyway? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/26/20 12:34:59 PM #13:	hockeybub89 posted... Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first. I completely support a woman's right to choose, but as long as her choice results in his financial obligation, there are always going to be people debating the issue. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933506762] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first.</quote> I completely support a woman's right to choose, but as long as her choice results in his financial obligation, there are always going to be people debating the issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/26/20 12:37:04 PM #14:	hockeybub89 posted... Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first. I would argue that this is OK if they're not in a legally recognized union of some kind (marriage or civil union or partnership through cohabitation). But if you're married I think each partner has equal equity in the matter. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:933506828] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first.</quote>I would argue that this is OK if they're not in a legally recognized union of some kind (marriage or civil union or partnership through cohabitation). But if you're married I think each partner has equal equity in the matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/26/20 12:42:07 PM #15:	s0nicfan posted... I completely support a woman's right to choose, but as long as her choice results in his financial obligation, there are always going to be people debating the issue. Until the man is actually sharing the pregnancy, that's just unfortunate. Blame biology. Bodily autonomy trumps all. I would call a women a bit of a jerk if she ignored what her partner wanted, but that's her choice. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933507015] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>I completely support a woman's right to choose, but as long as her choice results in his financial obligation, there are always going to be people debating the issue.</quote>Until the man is actually sharing the pregnancy, that's just unfortunate. Blame biology. Bodily autonomy trumps all. I would call a women a bit of a jerk if she ignored what her partner wanted, but that's her choice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/26/20 12:43:48 PM #16:	hockeybub89 posted... Until the man is actually sharing the pregnancy, that's just unfortunate. Blame biology. Bodily autonomy trumps all That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933507075] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Until the man is actually sharing the pregnancy, that's just unfortunate. Blame biology. Bodily autonomy trumps all</quote> That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/26/20 12:44:52 PM #17:	oh god, here come the cringey MRA's --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:933507108] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>oh god, here come the cringey MRA's</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/26/20 12:47:46 PM #18:	s0nicfan posted... That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not. The child's well being > a man who doesn't want to be part of its life. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:933507209] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not.</quote>The child's well being > a man who doesn't want to be part of its life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/26/20 12:51:07 PM #19:	Funkydog posted... The child's well being > a man who doesn't want to be part of its life. At the point in which a woman is considering having an abortion, it isn't a child. It is a fetus. There is no child's well-being to consider. If a woman has a baby and the guy flakes after the child is born, that's a different story entirely. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933507321] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>The child's well being > a man who doesn't want to be part of its life.</quote> At the point in which a woman is considering having an abortion, it isn't a child. It is a fetus. There is no child's well-being to consider. If a woman has a baby and the guy flakes after the child is born, that's a different story entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/26/20 12:54:49 PM #20:	s0nicfan posted... That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not. Abortion is literally a one or the other issue. Compromises on it introduce all kinds of moral hypocrisy. If you don't always have bodily autonomy, then you never have it. It's called autonomy Money and child support are irrelevant and separate issues. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:933507460] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>That's just making excuses. Bodily autonomy taking precedence does not automatically justify 18 years of child support payments. Trying to force it into some sort of one or the other decision is lazy at best, malicious at worst. Put another way, if the woman has 100% bodily autonomy, and the father isn't planning on sticking around, then the financial burden of that child is part of her decision on whether to keep it or not.</quote>Abortion is literally a one or the other issue. Compromises on it introduce all kinds of moral hypocrisy. If you don't always have bodily autonomy, then you never have it. It's called autonomy Money and child support are irrelevant and separate issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 01/26/20 12:55:05 PM #21:	All that I've been given Is this pain that I've been living They got me in the system Why they gotta do me like that? Tried to make it my way But got sent up on the highway Why? oh why Why they gotta do me like that? --- http://error1355.com/ce/gatorsPENSbucs.html https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:933507469] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>All that I've been given Is this pain that I've been living They got me in the system Why they gotta do me like that? Tried to make it my way But got sent up on the highway Why? oh why Why they gotta do me like that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/26/20 12:58:02 PM #22:	hockeybub89 posted... Abortion is literally a one or the other issue. If you don't always have bodily autonomy, then you never have it. It's called autonomy Money and child support are irrelevant and separate issues. That's literally the same point I am making. I am arguing in support of complete bodily autonomy, but pointing out that giving somebody bodily autonomy does not also require giving them financial support. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933507570] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Abortion is literally a one or the other issue. If you don't always have bodily autonomy, then you never have it. It's called autonomy Money and child support are irrelevant and separate issues.</quote> That's literally the same point I am making. I am arguing in support of complete bodily autonomy, but pointing out that giving somebody bodily autonomy does not also require giving them financial support. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 01/26/20 1:08:42 PM #23:	Hexenherz posted... hockeybub89 posted... Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first. I would argue that this is OK if they're not in a legally recognized union of some kind (marriage or civil union or partnership through cohabitation). But if you're married I think each partner has equal equity in the matter. That's impossible though. You either abort or you don't; if one person wants to keep it, and the other doesn't, there is no compromise. Someone has to be the one to make the decision --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:933507934] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote> Ultimately, it should be 100% her decision and we can do little more than tell her that it would be nice to consult with him first.</quote>I would argue that this is OK if they're not in a legally recognized union of some kind (marriage or civil union or partnership through cohabitation). But if you're married I think each partner has equal equity in the matter. </quote> That's impossible though. You either abort or you don't; if one person wants to keep it, and the other doesn't, there is no compromise. Someone has to be the one to make the decision</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twi1ightSpark1e 01/26/20 1:13:10 PM #24:	Because it's the men who pay. <cite>Twi1ightSpark1e posted [p:933508066] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Because it's the men who pay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daftpunk_mk5 01/26/20 1:14:02 PM #25:	Why do non-felons vote on criminal justice reform? --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:933508100] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Why do non-felons vote on criminal justice reform? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 01/26/20 1:19:39 PM #26:	Takes two to get pregnant, if the man doesn't want it and she does she can hook him in for years of payments. He should have a say in it. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:933508281] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Takes two to get pregnant, if the man doesn't want it and she does she can hook him in for years of payments. He should have a say in it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Purely 01/26/20 1:21:26 PM #27:	What is this vote you're referring to? Abortion is obviously an issue that matters to men. It's the life of our child. --- He/Him/His <cite>Purely posted [p:933508340] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>What is this vote you're referring to? Abortion is obviously an issue that matters to men. It's the life of our child. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 01/26/20 1:24:41 PM #28:	KillerKhan420 posted... Takes two to get pregnant, if the man doesn't want it and she does she can hook him in for years of payments. He should have a say in it. You do realize that if he wants it and she doesn't.... it will still get aborted, right? --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:933508441] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>KillerKhan420 posted... </cite> <quote>Takes two to get pregnant, if the man doesn't want it and she does she can hook him in for years of payments. He should have a say in it.</quote> You do realize that if he wants it and she doesn't.... it will still get aborted, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Purely 01/26/20 1:25:27 PM #29:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... You do realize that if he wants it and she doesn't.... it will still get aborted, right? Which is not right. --- He/Him/His <cite>Purely posted [p:933508467] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>1NfamousACE_2 posted... </cite> <quote>You do realize that if he wants it and she doesn't.... it will still get aborted, right?</quote> Which is not right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Elmer_Glue 01/26/20 1:28:22 PM #30:	Great topic TC, definitely not just troll-bait.. <cite>Elmer_Glue posted [p:933508558] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Great topic TC, definitely not just troll-bait.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 01/26/20 1:34:47 PM #31:	Elmer_Glue posted... Great topic TC, definitely not just troll-bait.. I really wasn't trying to bait anyone. I'm honestly just trying to figure out why us men care about making a woman keep a baby. --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:933508735] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Elmer_Glue posted... </cite> <quote>Great topic TC, definitely not just troll-bait..</quote> I really wasn't trying to bait anyone. I'm honestly just trying to figure out why us men care about making a woman keep a baby. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 01/26/20 1:36:00 PM #32:	Religion. --- Doom, the game with unlimited ways to play. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:933508775] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Religion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IloveJesus 01/26/20 1:48:45 PM #33:	Purely posted... Which is not right. It's an unfortunate circumstance, for sure. Still, it would be wrong to force a woman to carry a child that she does not want to. --- Jesus loves us. It only seems fair to love him back. <cite>IloveJesus posted [p:933509197] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Purely posted... </cite> <quote>Which is not right.</quote> It's an unfortunate circumstance, for sure. Still, it would be wrong to force a woman to carry a child that she does not want to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/26/20 2:02:22 PM #34:	So for the people in this topic, the bodily autonomy argument gets very interesting when you look at surrogate motherhood. I was looking it up out of curiosity given what people were saying here, and there are a number of cases of a couple paying a surrogate mother to carry their child, only it turns out to be twins or triplets. In these cases, the surrogate refused to abort any of them even though their contract specifically has an abortion clause for these situations. In this instance, the woman's bodily autonomy fully gives her the right to carry these children through even though the actual genetic parents both agree that they don't want all those children. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:933509778] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>So for the people in this topic, the bodily autonomy argument gets very interesting when you look at surrogate motherhood. I was looking it up out of curiosity given what people were saying here, and there are a number of cases of a couple paying a surrogate mother to carry their child, only it turns out to be twins or triplets. In these cases, the surrogate refused to abort any of them even though their contract specifically has an abortion clause for these situations. In this instance, the woman's bodily autonomy fully gives her the right to carry these children through even though the actual genetic parents both agree that they don't want all those children. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Purely 01/26/20 2:31:35 PM #35:	IloveJesus posted... It's an unfortunate circumstance, for sure. Still, it would be wrong to force a woman to carry a child that she does not want to. She shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place then. She made her choice when she conceived a child. After that, it's murder. --- He/Him/His <cite>Purely posted [p:933510815] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>IloveJesus posted... </cite> <quote>It's an unfortunate circumstance, for sure. Still, it would be wrong to force a woman to carry a child that she does not want to.</quote> She shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place then. She made her choice when she conceived a child. After that, it's murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IloveJesus 01/26/20 3:08:48 PM #36:	Purely posted... She shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place then. She made her choice when she conceived a child. After that, it's murder. I mean, it's literally not though. --- Jesus loves us. It only seems fair to love him back. <cite>IloveJesus posted [p:933512693] in Why do men... [t:78361394]...</cite> <quote>Purely posted... </cite> <quote>She shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place then. She made her choice when she conceived a child. After that, it's murder.</quote> I mean, it's literally not though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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