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pass4tds
01/15/20 4:52:06 PM
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A $15/hr minimum wage will only help those making $14.99/hr or less who won't get their hours cut or job eliminated. Then what?

Does Bernie really expect Americans to break rocks with a federal jobs guarantee? What if you're not good at your assigned job? Do you just learn to code?

Will there be enough federal jobs available after automation wipes out a majority of the workforce?

What kind of healthcare will I receive from the government when he revokes mine or I lose my job to a robot?

We need resources to be put directly into the hands of Americans. We know best what we need. I'll take a Freedom Dividend, thank you very much.

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Questionmarktarius
01/15/20 4:53:58 PM
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drunk on a wednesday?
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Tmaster148
01/15/20 4:54:42 PM
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Nice bait.

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s0nicfan
01/15/20 4:54:44 PM
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The problem with yang bucks is a ton of people won't read the fine print, take the cash thus opting themselves out of other benefits like SNAP, then freak out when they blow it on crap and realize they can't afford food and the government isn't going to help.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 4:55:32 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The problem with yang bucks is a ton of people won't read the fine print, take the cash thus opting themselves out of other benefits like SNAP, then freak out when they blow it on crap and realize they can't afford food and the government isn't going to help.

$1000 Freedom Dividend > $500 SNAP

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pass4tds
01/15/20 4:56:30 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
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Nice bait.

I get that some aren't willing to argue facts and will put party over country.

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Doe
01/15/20 4:57:01 PM
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Lol wait Yang's UBI cuts other welfare in exchange? I guess I get what the logic is supposed to be, but I really can't support that then.

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UnholyMudcrab
01/15/20 4:57:06 PM
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We should solve a particular 21st century problem by suspending this account.

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s0nicfan
01/15/20 4:57:58 PM
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Doe posted...
Lol wait Yang's UBI cuts other welfare in exchange? I guess I get what the logic is supposed to be, but I really can't support that then.

That's partially how it covers costs. It's a substitute for other benefits so people on them don't double dip. You pick one or the other.

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Smashingpmkns
01/15/20 4:58:00 PM
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Nobody ever pays me in Yang Bucks!
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Unknown5uspect
01/15/20 5:00:45 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
We should solve a particular 21st century problem by suspending this account.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:01:02 PM
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Doe posted...
Lol wait Yang's UBI cuts other welfare in exchange? I guess I get what the logic is supposed to be, but I really can't support that then.

s0nicfan posted...
That's partially how it covers costs. It's a substitute for other benefits so people on them don't double dip. You pick one or the other.

If your other benefits are greater than $1K you are still eligible to receive the difference.

A family of 8 receiving a max benefit of $1,164 in SNAP would receive a $1,000 Freedom Dividend and $164 in SNAP.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:02:40 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Nobody ever pays me in Yang Bucks!

You can opt out.

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Kazi1212
01/15/20 5:03:13 PM
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You make good points TC. I dont know why new users get picked on but you're welcome here.

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01/15/20 5:03:46 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
We should solve a particular 21st century problem by suspending this account.


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01/15/20 5:04:33 PM
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s0nicfan
01/15/20 5:04:51 PM
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pass4tds posted...
If your other benefits are greater than $1K you are still eligible to receive the difference.

A family of 8 receiving a max benefit of $1,164 in SNAP would receive a $1,000 Freedom Dividend and $164 in SNAP.

No?
https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/
Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value Added Tax of 10 percent. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally most would prefer cash with no restriction.

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Fam_Fam
01/15/20 5:13:42 PM
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tbh giving poor people straight cash instead of regulated spending is a TERRIBLE idea
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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:14:47 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
tbh giving poor people straight cash instead of regulated spending is a TERRIBLE idea

Because you know better what they need?

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Doe
01/15/20 5:17:42 PM
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pass4tds posted...
Because you know better what they need?
They need full access to healthcare and nutrition, not a couple hundred dollar bills and a good-luck pat on the back. Giving bits of money to people that was originally going towards their needs anyway will not correct the system that drives poverty

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:19:32 PM
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It's time we try something new. The current system has resulted in 40 million Americans living in poverty. But hey "ThEy WiLl JuSt WaStE iT" right?

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Fam_Fam
01/15/20 5:21:41 PM
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pass4tds posted...
It's time we try something new. The current system has resulted in 40 million Americans living in poverty. But hey "ThEy WiLl JuSt WaStE iT" right?

suppose you give a homeless man $1200 right now. tell me where you think they'll be one year from today
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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:22:03 PM
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Doe posted...
They need full access to healthcare and nutrition, not a couple hundred dollar bills and a good-luck pat on the back. Giving bits of money to people that was originally going towards their needs anyway will not correct the system that drives poverty

So keeping the system that drives poverty will work?

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:22:38 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
suppose you give a homeless man $1200 right now. tell me where you think they'll be one year from today

Work.

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Kazi1212
01/15/20 5:30:34 PM
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God forbid you have faith in people and let them decide what to do with their money.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:32:19 PM
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It's fascinating how efficient the left and the right are at keeping the status quo while making it appear as if they're each fighting for change.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:32:30 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
God forbid you have faith in people and let them decide what to do with their money.

Thank you.

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spudger
01/15/20 5:33:07 PM
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pass4tds posted...


I get that some aren't willing to argue facts and will put party over country.

we've had that for 3 years now
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Krojen
01/15/20 5:34:21 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
lmaaaaoooooo I'm in tears

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:34:37 PM
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spudger posted...
we've had that for 3 years now

243 years now.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:35:05 PM
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Krojen posted...
lmaaaaoooooo I'm in tears

Yes, because it's false.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:35:59 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Straight money is more helpful than strings attached money but cutting aid in order to remove those strings is immoral.

Being more helpful is immoral? What? Aid isn't being cut either.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:36:42 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Yangs healthcare plan is trash

With Bernie's plan enjoy receiving treatment in a literal dumpster.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:39:41 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Youre just gonna ignore post 20, huh?

The only thing it won't stack with are cash and cash like assistance.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:41:06 PM
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pass4tds posted...
The only thing it won't stack with are cash and cash like assistance.

That said. Really. What's wrong with having the option of keeping what you have if you like it so much?

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s0nicfan
01/15/20 5:41:13 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
So people are going to lose aid, which is immoral

To be fair, only if they explicitly choose to. That isn't inherently immoral as long as people are clearly made aware of that tradeoff prior to picking.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:42:21 PM
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Yang: Here's $1000 per month.
Bernie Bros: arrgh, that's not as good as the current benefits!
Yang: ok, keep those benefits!
Bernie Bros: explode.

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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:43:22 PM
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Bernie is my second choice btw.

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Were_Wyrm
01/15/20 5:44:51 PM
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Lucky for us Bernie has 21st century solutions, the problem is almost all of our politicians are stuck in the 20th century.

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01/15/20 5:45:42 PM
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pass4tds
01/15/20 5:46:01 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Lucky for us Bernie has 21st century solutions, the problem is almost all of our politicians are stuck in the 20th century.

Jeeze could you imagine Biden, Warren, or Buttigieg winning this thing. Bleh.

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01/15/20 5:48:09 PM
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