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FaultyGourry
01/09/20 12:52:29 PM
#51:


It's pretty fucked that so many people are going 'But the US!' when Iran shot down a passenger jet full of civilians that didn't have any Americans on it.

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Tmaster148
01/09/20 12:52:38 PM
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rahasperj posted...
No fuck that, if you play with fire, you get burned. Don't kill, don't even threaten Americans. People forget about Benghazi so quick. Or how about the hostage situation in the 70's?

Yeah, 'property damage', let's not forget that Soleimani was directly responsible for the killing and maiming of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. And they totally would've left the embassy alone after that. Totally.

So I assume you are going one of the first people to volunteer on the frontline then.

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Purely
01/09/20 12:53:04 PM
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It's amazing how people's hatred for Trump is so intense that they're mad at him killing a terrorist.
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Damn_Underscore
01/09/20 12:53:35 PM
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Anticyclonic posted...


What's insane is that peoples' response to "Hey, maybe let's take a different approach" is
"REEE you just dont like Trump! Must be a democrat!!11"



yikes
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rahasperj
01/09/20 12:54:59 PM
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BlackSheep715 posted...
Trump created a situation to distract from his impeachment back home. Now Canadians have died to fuel his lies. Blood is on his hands.
Yeah, Trump is really worried about his impeachment. He's not getting removed from office, and unless the Dems pick an amazing candidate out of their asses soon, he's probably going to get re-elected. Honestly, I support Yang, but he's not going to be nominated. Shame. The two front-runners for the Dems are Biden and Bernie, and there's no chance in hell either of them will beat Trump.

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rahasperj
01/09/20 12:57:20 PM
#56:


Tmaster148 posted...
So I assume you are going one of the first people to volunteer on the frontline then.
Absolutely. I absolutely would. Not that I would want to, but I would. Honestly, I think we should pull all of our troops from the middle-east, and relocate them to Israel, let the middle east sort their own shit out. But unfortunately, there's too much money in the middle-east, so it won't happen.

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Tmaster148
01/09/20 12:59:07 PM
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So you want us to back out of the middle east, but are praising a move that would help keep us there. Weird priorities.

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:00:52 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So you want us to back out of the middle east, but are praising a move that would help keep us there. Weird priorities.
I'm a realist. What I want, and what is happening, and what will happen are not influenced at all by what I want. And above all, my priorities are protecting American lives.

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davyheinz
01/09/20 1:01:09 PM
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Ah, the old Yang supporter gimmick from a red hat.

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Tmaster148
01/09/20 1:01:52 PM
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rahasperj posted...
I'm a realist. What I want, and what is happening, and what will happen are not influenced at all by what I want.

Being a realist doesn't mean you have to praise moves that go against what you claim to actually support.

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Bio1590
01/09/20 1:02:14 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So you want us to back out of the middle east, but are praising a move that would help keep us there. Weird priorities.

Anime avatar lol
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Anticyclonic
01/09/20 1:04:43 PM
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garlic powder posted...
The dude literally supported terrorist organizations all over the world and killed an American civilian contractor in Iraq. Both Obama and Biden thought this guy supported terrorists.

In 2011, the Obama administration sanctioned Soleimani for his role in plotting a foiled terror attack in a Washington, D.C. restaurant with the aim of assassinating the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.


What does Obama have to do with anything and why would I care about what him and Biden thought? XD
Your argument is basically "You're wrong that it was a bad strategical decision to kill this guy because this was a bad guy."
My argument is not that he was a good guy or that I feel bad about it, so plz come back when you've taken down your strawman.

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garlic powder
01/09/20 1:05:36 PM
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What strawman?

THE GUY WAS A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AND TRIED TO HAVE AN AMBASSADOR ASSASINATED

HOLY SHIT

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:05:44 PM
#64:


Tmaster148 posted...
Being a realist doesn't mean you have to praise moves that go against what you claim to actually support.
But in this scenario, it does. It's one of those grey-area debates. Because I know that we will not pull out of the middle-east for a long time, I want it to be as safe as possible for everyone we have over there. So an action that eliminates a terrorist leader, (Who, again, has had hundreds of Americans killed), I support.

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OmegaShinkai
01/09/20 1:06:23 PM
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rahasperj posted...
Or how about the hostage situation in the 70's?
Remember when the United States overthrew the democratically elected prime minister of Iran and put a tyrant in his place because they wanted more control over the country?
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Tmaster148
01/09/20 1:06:40 PM
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rahasperj posted...
But in this scenario, it does. It's one of those grey-area debates. Because I know that we will not pull out of the middle-east for a long time, I want it to be as safe as possible for everyone we have over there. So an action that eliminates a terrorist leader, (Who, again, has had hundreds of Americans killed), I support.

All you are really saying is that you want war, but don't want to appear that you do.

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ScazarMeltex
01/09/20 1:07:08 PM
#67:


OmegaShinkai posted...
Remember when the United States overthrew the democratically elected prime minister of Iran and put a tyrant in his place because they wanted more control over the country?
Don't forget propping him up and helping him torture and murder dissenters.

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Anticyclonic
01/09/20 1:08:38 PM
#68:


garlic powder posted...
What strawman?

THE GUY WAS A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AND TRIED TO HAVE AN AMBASSADOR ASSASINATED

HOLY SHIT

Did I claim that he wasn't? Again, you're just repeating yourself in caps and still not attacking my actual claim. Holy shit dude xD


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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:10:22 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
All you are really saying is that you want war, but don't want to appear that you do.
I don't want war. To assume that anyone would ever want war, (Except for rich bastards who profit off of it), is honestly a little irrational. Nobody wants to die, and nobody wants to kill another person. I've said what I want. I want our people to be safe.

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Tmaster148
01/09/20 1:11:27 PM
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rahasperj posted...
I don't want war. To assume that anyone would ever want war, (Except for rich bastards who profit off of it), is honestly a little irrational. Nobody wants to die, and nobody wants to kill another person. I've said what I want. I want our people to be safe.

Yet you are supporting actions that will help lead to war.

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Irony
01/09/20 1:11:37 PM
#71:


Lmao no one should believe this

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:12:26 PM
#72:


Tmaster148 posted...
Yet you are supporting actions that will help lead to war.
Circular reasoning. Allow me to do the same.

rahasperj posted...
But in this scenario, it does. It's one of those grey-area debates. Because I know that we will not pull out of the middle-east for a long time, I want it to be as safe as possible for everyone we have over there. So an action that eliminates a terrorist leader, (Who, again, has had hundreds of Americans killed), I support.


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Tmaster148
01/09/20 1:13:16 PM
#73:


It's okay if you support war. You should just be open about it.

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:13:39 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
It's okay if you support war. You should just be open about it.
I don't. And I haven't said I do.

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Lebronwon
01/09/20 1:14:41 PM
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Was kinda obvious when Iran didn't want to send black box to Europe/US or the plane company.

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Lorenzo_2003
01/09/20 1:14:56 PM
#76:


eston posted...
Seems a little too convenient tbqh

Unless Iran claims responsibility I will remain skeptical

Hahaha.

Yeah, we did it. We shot down our own Iranian people and foreigners visiting their families in our country, to show you guys we wont be pushed around. Take that, Trump!

Hopefully we will get this statement from Iran soon.

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Tmaster148
01/09/20 1:15:34 PM
#77:


rahasperj posted...
I don't. And I haven't said I do.

Supporting actions that lead to war is the same as supporting war. You really gotta keep up.

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:20:03 PM
#78:


Tmaster148 posted...
Supporting actions that lead to war is the same as supporting war. You really gotta keep up.
What do I have to gain from a war?

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Bio1590
01/09/20 1:21:08 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
Was kinda obvious when Iran didn't want to send black box to Europe/US or the plane company.

Ethiopa also refused to send the black box to the US and Boeing when their MAX 8 crashed because they didn't trust them.

Also I believe Iran is sending it to the Ukraine.
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Irony
01/09/20 1:22:26 PM
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rahasperj posted...
What do I have to gain from a war?
Pleasure probably idk

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Dark_Spiret
01/09/20 1:23:15 PM
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id like more...neutral sources to confirm this, but i wouldnt be surprised. there a lot of questionable stuff around this that you could make a case that Iran did it.
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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:23:17 PM
#82:


Irony posted...
Pleasure probably idk
Is, is this for real? Is this really an argument you want to use?

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Irony
01/09/20 1:23:51 PM
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rahasperj posted...
Is, is this for real? Is this really an argument you want to use?
Probably idk

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rahasperj
01/09/20 1:25:14 PM
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Irony posted...
Probably idk
That's an incredibly weak argument.

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BlackSheep715
01/09/20 1:30:33 PM
#85:


Bio1590 posted...
Ethiopa also refused to send the black box to the US and Boeing when their MAX 8 crashed because they didn't trust them.

Also I believe Iran is sending it to the Ukraine.

*Ukraine

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Irony
01/09/20 1:30:47 PM
#86:


Probably because I'm not arguing, I'm just trolling you.

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hockeybub89
01/09/20 1:36:50 PM
#87:


s0nicfan posted...
To quote a user from a topic a few days ago:
Sounds like Trump started something. Maybe we should have pulled out of the Middle East like 20 years ago. We're not world police

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hockeybub89
01/09/20 1:41:25 PM
#88:


garlic powder posted...
What strawman?

THE GUY WAS A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AND TRIED TO HAVE AN AMBASSADOR ASSASINATED

HOLY SHIT
So is Saudi Arabia and I don't see us going to war with them. The powers that be don't give a fuck about good and evil and protecting innocent people. They go to war for greedier reasons

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Machete
01/09/20 1:57:03 PM
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donald trump had the jet shot down and is trying to frame Iran.
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Foppe
01/09/20 1:58:56 PM
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Machete posted...
donald trump had the jet shot down and is trying to frame Iran.
You really think he would be able to not mention it being shot down by Iran if he tried to frame them?

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Machete
01/09/20 2:03:44 PM
#91:


Foppe posted...

You really think he would be able to not mention it being shot down by Iran if he tried to frame them?


He's donald trump
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linid0t
01/09/20 2:03:52 PM
#92:


Machete posted...
donald trump had the jet shot down and is trying to frame Iran.

Show me some sauce
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Machete
01/09/20 2:06:17 PM
#93:


linid0t posted...


Show me some sauce


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Kazi1212
01/09/20 2:39:26 PM
#94:


s0nicfan posted...
To quote a user from a topic a few days ago:

Holy shit, whats there left to argue after that.

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BeatScrafty2
01/09/20 4:05:05 PM
#95:


Vyrulisse posted...
Didn't everybody already assume they did anyway?

Yes.

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Funkydog
01/09/20 4:07:35 PM
#96:


Just like they were confident about those WMD's, right?

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billman1000
01/09/20 4:17:20 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Just like they were confident about those WMD's, right?

well, theres actually videos of the plane getting hit by a missle so theres that
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Wewillrocku
01/09/20 4:17:41 PM
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i doubt this

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UnlikedMonkey
01/09/20 4:23:30 PM
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1215354885924847616

Yep, that looks like what happened. Very sad for all those people.

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
01/09/20 4:24:15 PM
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I don't really trust Iran *or* the US governments at this point, too many shit heels in both right now.
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