Current Events > Sick of people shitting on Ocarina of Time

(+) Yeah! (+)

It is THE best Zelda game and one of the best games ever made.

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I love Ocarina of Time.

this seriously takes precious energy out of you?

damn.

besides, no one shits on zelda games. fans nitpick but they are all good/great games.
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OOT is literally the only time I've ever agreed with Egoraptor, give or take maybe Just a Pokemon Battle.

ALttP, MM, & WW are all better than OoT

linid0t posted...

ALttP, MM, & WW are all better than OoT

Nope

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linid0t posted...

ALttP, MM, & WW are all better than OoT

two of those are wrong

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Link to the Past is the best Zelda game, most certainly.

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in its time, sure, but it hasn't held up particularly well, whereas wind waker is a timeless classic and is still the best 3d zelda game

Kaiganeer posted...

in its time, sure, but it hasn't held up particularly well, whereas wind waker is a timeless classic and is still the best 3d zelda game

This.

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Kaiganeer posted...

in its time, sure, but it hasn't held up particularly well, whereas wind waker is a timeless classic and is still the best 3d zelda game

Wind Waker is one of the most blatantly unfinished games of all time, and it's very well documented.

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Garioshi posted...

Wind Waker is one of the most blatantly unfinished games of all time, and it's very well documented.

and it's incredible that even in spite of that it is the best 3d zelda game

Kaiganeer posted...

and it's incredible that even in spite of that it is the best 3d zelda game

Incorrect

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Garioshi posted...

Incorrect

nah

It was a groundbreaking game for sure, but if you think that what was effectively half a tech demo is the best of the series, then you're essentially saying that Nintendo hasn't had any idea what they're doing for about twenty years with this franchise.

3D-wise, TP, MM, and BotW all have objectively better mechanics and controls and the only subjective matter is in the realm of story and music. The game elements at the very least have all improved from OoT.

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Nah Majora's Mask is better in every way

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K181 posted...

what was effectively half a tech demo

are you high

K181 posted...

3D-wise, TP, MM, and BotW all have objectively better mechanics and controls and the only subjective matter is in the realm of story and music.

again, are you high

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OoT was to 3D action adventure games as the original LoZ was to 2D action adventure games. Both were absolutely pioneering works that experimented a lot and made major breakthroughs, but gameplay-wise they're both insanely dated by later installments in their own series because of course they were. Game tech improves past a certain point so you'd better hope that later generations would build off the originals and expand on their gameplay mechanics and polish them, which Zelda has done with occassional setbacks.

So yeah, it was practically a partial tech demo along with loads of other N64 titles as that shit was groundbreaking stuff at the time. Subjective matters like music and story preference is where agreeing to disagree can take place.

If twenty years from now BotW is still considered the best open world Zelda game, that'd be a major disappointment as it would mean Nintendo didn't grow the concept from their first crack at it.

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OoT was an excellent game that defined a genre and is still excellent to this day

But the fact remains its not even the best zelda game on its system
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Majoras Mask story and character depth is what puts it at the top for me really. Its great.

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K181 posted...

objectively

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Majora mask>>>

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As explained by Arin:

The game literally STOPS for you to complete some asinine story task!
Look.
You go to Kakariko Village. You go to the entrance to Death Mountain. Dude won't let you pass.
You go, what the fuck, man? I wanna go up there! That's what I WANT to do!
But no, you have to wait for the game to tell you WHY you wanna go up there.
You KNOW why you want to go up there! You wanna fight some dudes, fight a boss, get a cool weapon!
But no. You gotta go talk to Zelda. "Oh my god, the world is in peril!"
And then Impa's like, "hey, y'know, this is really important, so I'm gonna give you this note to give to this guy."
I DON'T CARE!! NOBODY CARES!! You seriously just made me waste my time, press A a bunch'a times, so that I could go up there!

Plenty of the 2D zeldas are better. For 3D Zelda, it just gets very subjective because they are all fairly flawed in some way.

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Ocarinas primary strength in the modern era is in its world design and formula, imo.

It could definitely be improved, to be sure. But, even simple stuff like Lon Lon Ranch still feel unique. You can go to Lon Lon Ranch as soon as youre an adult and get Epona, or you can wait until much later. And, if you get Epona early, it gives you early access to several other useful items/upgrades at your own leisure.

Its a really good balance of freedom and linearity that even later Zelda titles have had a hard time replicating.


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Hard to pick a hands-down favorite, now, but I think the ingredients for the ultimate Zelda experience are shared between OoT and BotW. OoT's main flaws kome from being dated. BotW has a lost sense of value. I'm all for more swords/sheilds/bows/mounts, but none of hte items feel special anymore. Rods, boomerangs, torches, leaves, and special arrows feel more like a passing novelty, rather than keys to unlock more of the world. Especially with how "dungeons" work. I never wanted non-linear dungeons in Zelda because I saw the problem before they even announced ALBW. LoZ puzzles are already simple enough, but if each has to be doable from the start, then each would only require the bare minimum. There's no mix of having to bomb this, hookshot there, and freeze that. There's just "This is the Arrow dungeon. Shoot stuff" "This is the Bomb Dungeon. Blow shit up." and "This is the Hookshot Dungeon. Whee."
And finally, we have settlements. We all love LoZ races. But in terms of where they live, I still think OoT did that best, overall. Gorons had a nicely designed mountain interior, Zora had a chill kavern with waterfalls and a shrine area on top, Kokiri existed, ect. But since the theme of BotW is that Ganon already rekt everything and civilization is on it's last legs, the Gerudo now have the best area to see/explore and they're the only one's whose area is better than it was in OoT.

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Freddie_Mercury posted...

Yeah, objectively. The controls for TP (GameCube version), WW, and BotW are all more finely tuned and have sharper feedback compared to an older game that was effectively the mother of all 3D action adventure console titles not to mention all operating on more nuanced and detailed physics engines. Those are objectively true statements. Same as how LttP, MC, ALBW, and the remake of LA have better 2D controls than the original LoZ.

Again, if you make the argument that OoT is the best game of the series than you're effectively saying that Nintendo hasn't learned how to improve on 3D gameplay techniques in twenty years.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

As explained by Arin:

who cares.
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LttP is better.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

who cares.

Here's the important bits, extracted (mostly) from Arin being Arin:

I wanna go up there! That's what I WANT to do!
But no, you have to wait for the game to tell you WHY you wanna go up there.
You KNOW why you want to go up there! You wanna fight some dudes, fight a boss, get a cool weapon!

I was pretty late to the party. I played it in probably 2014 or so. I'm sure I'd have liked it more if I had played it at a point in my life where I had time to figure things out via trial and error. Because I did a buttload of trial and error and it pissed me off.

I def preferred AoL, ALttP and the Oracle games tbh.

Questionmarktarius posted...

As explained by Arin:

This is like the pedantic/turbonitpick version of my complaint. In my case, it was that the game is unclear about where you're supposed to go next but it constantly teases places you can't go without being clear that you can't go there. So basically it was 20-30 hours of UUUUUGH WHAT DO I DO NOOOOOOOOW instead.

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I got it at launch. It's one of the most influential games ever made, and it holds up, but the exploration aspect was a letdown for me.

That was always my favorite thing to do in Zelda games, just exploring the world. Hyrule Field was literally just like its name: a field. The game had heart pieces, but there didn't feel like much to actually explore.

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I've never really heard many people shit on it. I've just heard people say they prefer Majora's Mask, which...I find hard to understand

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OOT was my first 3D Zelda, and it's far from the best. I like it more than SS and that's it. Even TP manages to edge it out, despite being an annoying pain in the ass to play before you get the MS

The best things OOT has given us in recent years are the randomizer and BetterOOT romhacks, which are some of the best Zelda content I've ever played

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K181 posted...

Again, if you make the argument that OoT is the best game of the series than you're effectively saying that Nintendo hasn't learned how to improve on 3D gameplay techniques in twenty years.

Not really. There's more to a game than gameplay.

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Ocarina of Time's open world had nothing in it. Compare that to Majora's Mask which had more hidden in plain sight and better looking environments. Ocarina of Time had better characters with more personality attached to them and while shorter than OoT, still had more to offer.

Ocarina of Time is great but not the greatest game of all time.

Wind Waker surpassed it, but Ocarina of Time is still a timeless classic.

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Personally, I was never a fan of OoT. I liked Wind Waker more.

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Personally I think the original LoZ on nes is the best one but maybe tied for best with OoT for me. I beat both more than any other game
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The_Korey posted...

Not really. There's more to a game than gameplay.

Agreed, but it's a staggeringly massive part and I think that a blanket "best" statement can't really apply when other games made big improvements on it in that department,

"Favorite" game would be a whole other matter, as would best story or best music conversations.

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AFrench2 posted...

Link to the Past is the best Zelda game, most certainly.

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N64 aged miserably