Current Events > So how's the protest against Pokemon SS going these days?

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Imagine rushing through a super easy game and saying it's short, though. That's basically what the haters did.

Oh yeah, every single Pokemon game was easy. So I don't know why all of a sudden it being easy is a problem. Next Pokemon game will be easy as well. Don't get too mad.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Imagine rushing through a super easy game and saying it's short, though. That's basically what the haters did.

It's not rushing if there's nothing else to do. There is no exploration, the towns are empty, the game warps you from place to place, the story is handled off screen.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Oh yeah, every single Pokemon game was easy. So I don't know why all of a sudden it being easy is a problem. Next Pokemon game will be easy as well. Don't get too mad.

The difference is previous games actually had things to do. SwSh doesn't even have a single dungeon.


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Uhh there's plenty to do in the game. Are you serious?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Uhh there's plenty to do in the game. Are you serious?

List them

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It's really the first ever Pokemon game i've played besides GO here and there, and I think it's just okay. I'm not sure why it's had the lasting power that it has, but maybe it's because I wasn't a fan as a kid. The turn based combat is very shallow and it's insanely grindy and repetitive. The open wild world or whatever isn't interesting at all either. I don't see me putting much more than a few hours into it.

I tend to like a good grind, but more like Earth Defense Force, with different areas, weapons, enemies, etc. This is like, run into a pokemon, fight it or catch it, repeat. I'm not trying to knock it, it's just not really for me. I gave it a fair shot.

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CM_Ponch posted...

List them

Something tells me you haven't even played the game. The Wild Lands offer a ton of things to do that it's easy to stray off the main story line.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Well, if you're hoping for a GTA5 or Skyrim version of Pokemon then you're gonna be let down, and honestly that's a very high expectation therefore unreasonable.

True, but it's perfectly valid to expect features that have been in some/most of the other games.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

The Wild Lands

First it's the wild area. Second, no it's empty and barren. There's zero exploration in the wild area. The raids are not only a horrible way to gate rare pokemon, but the game actively punishes you for playing raids with others.

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I assume you'll keep remaking this topic as long as you get bites?

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i've been playing it after i got my Switch on Black Friday.

i honestly dont understand the complaints. maybe its cause i havent played Pokemans since the GBA era but i think this game is awesome!

the whole idea of playing Pokemans in 3D gives new life to the series!

ThanksUglyGod posted...

True, but it's perfectly valid to expect features that have been in some/most of the other games.

You won't be getting a living world with NPCs having special duties in a 24/7 clock anytime soon for a Pokemon.

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CM_Ponch posted...

First it's the wild area. Second, no it's empty and barren. There's zero exploration in the wild area. The raids are not only a horrible way to gate rare pokemon, but the game actively punishes you for playing raids with others.

What? The Wild Area has pickups for days, different Pokemon to fight and catch depending on weather, the raids are extremely fun and challenging further into the game.

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I made it a point not to purchase, and I haven't.
I have rented it to do a let's play.
There are a few things I like, a few things I don't.

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DrizztLink posted...

I assume you'll keep remaking this topic as long as you get bites?

Hey man, as you can see some people had their fake outrage, some people make fairy tales up to justify their hate and so forth. You gotta call out these type of people.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

You won't be getting a living world with NPCs having special duties in a 24/7 clock anytime soon for a Pokemon.

That wasn't in any of the other Pokemon games

ThanksUglyGod posted...

That wasn't in any of the other Pokemon games

I'm saying this is one of the hilarious expectations people wanted in a Pokemon game.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm saying this is one of the hilarious expectations people wanted in a Pokemon game.

Probably from the same people who want all the regions in one game, which is a fucking disgusting idea.

I standby thats a mediocre game compared to previous entries but I'm not delusional enough to think it wouldn't sell, I mean it's literally Pokemon. I didn't buy the game and I'm still not going to even though Pokemon is my favorite game series.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

The Wild Area has pickups for days,

Ah yes, I can go to the same spot that takes no effort to reach and hope a stone has respawned.
Veggeta_MAX posted...

different Pokemon to fight and catch depending on weather, the raids are extremely fun and challenging further into the game.

There is no difficulty in raids. It's nothing but abusing Box Legend and Eternus and then hoping you catch the pokemon with one shot. It's tediousness in place of difficulty.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm saying this is one of the hilarious expectations people wanted in a Pokemon game.

We've literally had that since Gen 2

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I've never played a pokemon game and dont plan on starting.

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CM_Ponch posted...

Ah yes, I can go to the same spot that takes no effort to reach and hope a stone has respawned.

It takes no effort to do anything in Pokemon.

CM_Ponch posted...

There is no difficulty in raids. It's nothing but abusing Box Legend and Eternus and then hoping you catch the pokemon with one shot. It's tediousness in place of difficulty.

Hey man I'm sorry you feel that way.

CM_Ponch posted...

We've literally had that since Gen 2

A GTA5 version of Pokemon is Gold/Silver?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

It takes no effort to do anything in Pokemon.

So we're going to ignore the exploration that previous games had? Dungeons like Seafoam Islands, Pokmon Mansion, Mt. Coronet, Black Tower, etc.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

A GTA5 version of Pokemon is Gold/Silver?

I'm referring to NPCs having special duties in a 24/7 clock

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CM_Ponch posted...

So we're going to ignore the exploration that previous games had?

Please. All Pokemon games were pretty linear. If you're gonna incredibly downplay the wild area then there's not much to discuss here. What you will like you will blindly over praise. What you don't like you will over dramatize the flaws.

CM_Ponch posted...

I'm referring to NPCs having special duties in a 24/7 clock

I think you know what I meant.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Imagine rushing through a super easy game and saying it's short, though. That's basically what the haters did.

Oh yeah, every single Pokemon game was easy. So I don't know why all of a sudden it being easy is a problem. Next Pokemon game will be easy as well. Don't get too mad.

"Pokemon has always been easy" is probably the worst excuse of the bunch. Yes, the franchise's games have always been easy, and thus, there's no reason to make it easier (talking about main story here, QoL changes to make postgame facilities and PvP more accessible are always appreciated and something SwSh did great by adding bottlecaps to the tower, XP candies, and mints, even though there should be more facilities)

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Please. All Pokemon games were pretty linear. If you're gonna incredibly downplay the wild area then there's not much to discuss here. What you will like you will blindly over praise. What you don't like you will over dramatize the flaws.

It being linear has nothing to do with it lacking exploration. Unova is one of the most linear regions but has multiple secret areas and areas that expand in the postgame. Galar has none of that. Most routes and cities in SwSh are hallways.
http://imgur.com/gallery/Vi4fx07
This is embarrassing for the series jump to consoles

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https://youtu.be/v76ZIy0AGHg?t=391

You can find everything you need to know about this series by watching this video from the time I linked to the end.

This girl who has never played the series before in her life says "Yeah this was a pretty decent game for my first ever dip into this franchise, but I can point out a mountain of problems with it and I never want to play another one again"

And then the part written by her boyfriend is perfect. Great summation of the idiots who run this company and the mindless zombies who buy it.

We had no doubt you would buy it. We can just sit on the sidelines and laugh.

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It's gotten to the poiint that the anime, what was treated by many Pokemon fans as the laughing stock of the franchise, is my main source of entertainment and interest from it

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Sounds like TC got SS under his tree this year
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lmao did people actually think the game wouldn't sell as well because of all that Dexit nonsense or whatever

the inflated sense of self-worth in these online communities is just hysterical

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It's like the yearly sports game releases. No matter how prevalent the complaints are, it'll still sell. Even WWE which isn't exactly huge had a pretty big opening even though it had hella issues.

Personally though I think the good outweighs the bad in this game.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

lmao did people actually think the game wouldn't sell as well because of all that Dexit nonsense or whatever

the inflated sense of self-worth in these online communities is just hysterical

No. No one thought it wouldnt sell well.

Dont drink the TCs Koolaid.


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About as expected. Repeated arguments, repeated answers.

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mehmeh1 posted...

"Pokemon has always been easy" is probably the worst excuse of the bunch. Yes, the franchise's games have always been easy, and thus, there's no reason to make it easier (talking about main story here, QoL changes to make postgame facilities and PvP more accessible are always appreciated and something SwSh did great by adding bottlecaps to the tower, XP candies, and mints, even though there should be more facilities)

It's easily the dumbest route to criticize the game. You know you're reaching when you have to find this as an excuse to hate the game.

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CM_Ponch posted...

It being linear has nothing to do with it lacking exploration. Unova is one of the most linear regions but has multiple secret areas and areas that expand in the postgame. Galar has none of that. Most routes and cities in SwSh are hallways.
http://imgur.com/gallery/Vi4fx07
This is embarrassing for the series jump to consoles

The fact that you are over glorfying "dungeons" to be something more special than it actually is, and underplaying what the Wild Area is says everything about you. You're using bias selection here. You choosing extremes.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

mehmeh1 posted...

"Pokemon has always been easy" is probably the worst excuse of the bunch. Yes, the franchise's games have always been easy, and thus, there's no reason to make it eas ier (talking about main story here, QoL changes to make postgame facilities and PvP more accessible are always appreciated and something SwSh did great by adding bottlecaps to the tower, XP candies, and mints, even though there should be more facilities)

It's easily the dumbest route to criticize the game. You know you're reaching when you have to find this as an excuse to hate the game.

Nah. Tbh I could really get over all the problems if they weren't such shitty developers on purpose. They literally removed the ability to turn off the exp share that allowed people to control the difficulty on their own, for no reason. It would have taken no effort to just keep it in from the prior games and they actively decided to remove it.
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SwayM posted...

Great summation of the idiots who run this company and the mindless zombies who buy it.

Another case of unreasonable high expectation.

SwayM posted...

We had no doubt you would buy it. We can just sit on the sidelines and laugh.

That's quite the path you're going. I never said anything about the game selling well or not. The point of this topic is "How is the protest still going?"

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mehmeh1 posted...

It's gotten to the poiint that the anime, what was treated by many Pokemon fans as the laughing stock of the franchise, is my main source of entertainment and interest from it

I take it you think your opinion is very high huh? I guess it must be vs the masses who actually enjoyed it. Maybe the game just wasn't for you? Naw that'd be too illogical.

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MarqueeSeries posted...

Sounds like TC got SS under his tree this year

I bought it at release.

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MrNintendo1213 posted...

Tbh I could really get over all the problems if they weren't such shitty developers on purpose.

You guys keep saying GF purposely made this game lazily based on what? Again, your high expectation and unreasonable needs doesn't mean they didn't make a good game.

Funny that the most reasonable who honestly didn't like this game don't reach and over dramatize the flaws. And you guys have done that.

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SwayM posted...

No. No one thought it wouldnt sell well.

Dont drink the TCs Koolaid.

It's a good thing I never said that too. Fairy tale narratives. They are something huh? I guess when you really hate something then you're gonna find whatever reason you need to.

Guide posted...

About as expected. Repeated arguments, repeated answers.

Good to see some people are still holding the crusade strong. Can't say the same for you, though.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I take it you think your opinion is very high huh? I guess it must be vs the masses who actually enjoyed it. Maybe the game just wasn't for you? Naw that'd be too illogical.

I enjoyed it, it's just that for the increased price, it wasnt really that worth it. Again, my expectations were "at least it should be better than UsUm", a 2 year old game that many (not me) hate and considered the worst in the series up until then. I consider UsUm good with quite a bit of charm but somewhat lacking. SwSh didn't surpass those already low expectations. It's not like I expected it to be better than b2w2 (which has Nostalgia going for it to me), even though that's a 7 year old DS game

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Okay that sounds a lot more reasonable.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Another case of unreasonable high expectation.

Says everything that needs to be said about your average Pokemon fan TBH. Do Pokemon fans literally not see other games being made? Do they live in a total vacuum? Incapable of understanding what other developers are achieving while Pokemon remains in this void they continue to defend.

But this is the same guy who in his opening post makes up this fantasy about Gamefreak going bankrupt and then turns around and says when did I say anything about sales?

You gotta take everything that kinda person says with a grain of salt.

Also great bit of irony in your post in response to CM_Ponch about bias selection and picking arguments and then just ignore the video that I posted. Which is from a brand new set of eyes on the series who upon one play through immediately points out the exact same criticisms that longtime players have observed for years. Really says something about expectations when someone without any real context of this series can immediately pick up on how it lacks in so many areas.

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SwayM posted...

Says everything that needs to be said about your average Pokemon fan TBH. Do Pokemon fans literally not see other games being made? Do they live in a total vacuum? Incapable of understanding what other developers are achieving while Pokemon remains in this void they continue to defend.

This isn't exclusive to Pokmon. This is more a Nintendo thing. Open world games have been a thing for a LONG time and Zelda barely caught up to games like Skyrim. Nintendo in general will always be behind, this isn't new. I get it, you saw that BotW could be something like Skyrim so you assumed the next Pokmon game will be Skyrim. I'm sure this reasoning to you comes off fair and logical but naw, it ain't. Especially with your type of complaining.

SwayM posted...

But this is the same guy who in his opening post makes up this fantasy about Gamefreak going bankrupt and then turns around and says when did I say anything about sales?

I was asking if you guys still want GF to go bankrupt that goes along with your protest. Hope we got that confusion cleared out.

SwayM posted...

Also great bit of irony in your post in response to CM_Ponch about bias selection and picking arguments and then just ignore the video that I posted. Which is from a brand new set of eyes on the series who upon one play through immediately points out the exact same criticisms that longtime players have observed for years. Really says something about expectations when someone without any real context of this series can immediately pick up on how it lacks in so many areas.

What kind of argument is this? This has fallacy written all over it to prove a false agenda. "Look I have other people who I swear is impartial agreeing with me so I am more right!".

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Hope we got that confusion cleared out.

Nah I think youre still confused champ but that goes beyond my scope as a random dude on an internet message board.

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I think the issue is TC is looking at this from an extreme perspective. Nobody expected this to be BotW. Nobody expects Pokmon to change that much when its barely changed at all over the course of 2 decades.

What they were expecting is that the highest grossing multimedia franchise in the world can at least have a game come out on new hardware and have that game be on-par with the best of previous games. Sw/Sh seems to be a major letdown in this regard.

It shouldnt be surprising, since Pokmon has remained #1 despite releasing the same game every few years. Why put in effort when you dont need to? That said, none of that makes it wrong for people to complain and want better for the future, and the way to do that is by putting their money where their mouth is, which many people are doing.

I, myself, was looking forward to this game, as I skipped last gen, but due to many issues I see in regards to this game, some albeit subjective (I hate 90% of the new designs and, even the ones I do like dont look like Pokmon to me), Ill likely be skipping this one too unless the third game brings a hell of a lot more to the table.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Nobody expected this to be BotW. Nobody expects Pokmon to change that much when its barely changed at all over the course of 2 decades.

You must be new to the protest. Welcome welcome.

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I was one of the people complaining about dexit and who held off on the game out of protest. I eventually bought two used copies for me and my wife.

About 20 hours in, halfway through the gyms, both of us don't really care for it. It's not a bad game, but it feels really repetitive, even more than Pokemon games usually are.
I'm really hoping they pull a story out of their ass eventually, cuz going this long without a plot is really making me lose interest in the game. Your rival is boring, the evil team is boring, dynamax is boring... The best part of the game is the wild area, and after the first 3 gyms, youve explored most of it.

It's an okay game and there's bright spots that I do like (gym battles are the best they've been in ages), but you can really tell that Gamefreak was pressured to rush the game out to be Nintendo's big holiday title. (That said, I still think they're bad developers and should be replaced, even though it'll never happen)

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