Current Events > Doctor: Don't confuse your Google search with my 6 years at medical school

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Patient: Don't confuse the 1 hour lecture you had on my condition with my 10+ years of living with it

Thoughts? Comments? Opinions on this conversation?

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Also doctor: you don't know what that drug does? Hmm okay...
*GOOGLES*
Also doctor: Dr Google is bad for you

Patient "you don't know what that drug does? Hmm you're an idiot!"
Also patient: Doctor please just give me the drugs you tell me will work
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So both are being stupid.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

So both are being stupid.

yes
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Patient: Don't confuse the 1 hour lecture you had on my condition with my 10+ years of living with it

Thoughts? Comments? Opinions on this conversation?

Doctors suck.

They are known to milk you for business.

You: "Doctor, I get fever at night. Chills. Fever so high I hallucinate. Green snot. Yellow phlegm. A weird sound comes out of my lungs if I breathe deep. I get cold sweats. I sneeze, hack and cough all day. I feel weak"

Doctor: "you have an allergy! take some Allegra :) "

*takes allegra* *one week later*

You: "Doctor, I am worse! Look, my yellow phlegm is green too now! I spent a week IN BED! I feel so bad!"

Doctor: "those darn allergies :( . Take some Benadryl too"

No, what about you prescribe some antibiotics, you fucking asshole?! What more symptoms do you want?

Living with a condition doesn't make you an expert on it, what shitty logic.

Having Lung Cancer doesn't mean you know how to treat lung cancer and the medical science behind how it works.
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lol they always pull that crap, most doctors have god complexes and its weird that they dont realize how much malpractice there is out there every day.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Living with a condition doesn't make you an expert on it, what shitty logic.

Having Lung Cancer doesn't mean you know how to treat lung cancer and the medical science behind how it works.

Living with a condition for 10+ years will give you plenty of experience in what works and what doesn't work in symptom management. And not every doctor in general practice is familiar with, or well informed about, rare conditions (my wife has a rare autoimmune disease called Sjgren's syndrome; her GP actually had to resort to looking up the term sialogogue in a medical dictionary during an appointment) -- but that doesn't stop them from rubbishing the research you've done on the work of specialists, because you dared to "go on the Internet".

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Dont make your doctor your enemy

I side with the patient here
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GodBlessAustin posted...

Dont make your doctor your enemy

Don't trust them blindly, either. Same as you wouldn't blindly trust the mechanic who's working on your car. Reserve the right to challenge and ask questions if you have doubts, and don't feel obliged to accept every answer at face value and seek no other opinion.

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It's crazy how some doctors are either completely uninformed or will out and out lie depending on how they're feeling. I had a neurologist tell me I couldn't possibly be having seizures because "it's not possible to be aware you're having a seizure".

Oh and how about the shit doctor who came out to see my grandma when she temporarily lost the ability to move her body and unable to get off the floor and said it was her schizophrenia acting up and left her there to deal with numerous strange symptoms, until eventually her head became visibly enlarged and they couldn't deny she had a brain tumour.

Or the doctor who repeatedly told my mother for over a year that her cancerous tumour was an allergic reaction.

bump

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the arrogance of doctors can be the absolute worst

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Firewerx posted...

Living with a condition for 10+ years will give you plenty of experience in what works and what doesn't work in symptom management.

No, not really.

OctilIery posted...

No, not really.

a lot of time can be spent reading peer-reviewed medical literature in that timeframe

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We patients have to be smarter, that is for sure.


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Firewerx posted...

Don't trust them blindly, either. Same as you wouldn't blindly trust the mechanic who's working on your car. Reserve the right to challenge and ask questions if you have doubts, and don't feel obliged to accept every answer at face value and seek no other opinion.

This. Seek another opinion if you have doubts, don't just assume you're right. If a doctor gives you a bad diagnosis that you know is bad and you do nothing to change things, that's on you.

SrRd_RacinG posted...

We patients have to be smarter, that is for sure.

i feel like the patholigical disconnect between patients and healthcare providers has lent credence to a lot of harmful misinformation

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TheMikh posted...

a lot of time can be spent reading peer-reviewed medical literature in that timeframe

It can, but then you aren't learning from experience. In general, personal experience is a bad teacher on its own, but great when mixed with actual education.

The doctor I just went to didn't know the condition I have and had to Google it right there.

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@DarkRoast

Vol2tex posted...

The doctor I just went to didn't know the condition I have and had to Google it right there.

Using google correctly is also a skill.

DuranOfForcena posted...

my favorite is when they don't even fucking read the patient information sheet they had you fill out. i go in for my chronic back pain, put down that i have scoliosis and was treated at the Shriner's Free Hospital for Children from when i was 11 to when i was 18, wore a brace 22 hours every day for it, i go in and he asks me what i'm here for, i say "back pain", he orders some x-rays and books a follow-up appointment. i go to the follow-up appointment and he takes a look at the x-rays and says "oh you have scoliosis."

NO FUCKING SHIT!?!

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If your doctor isnt doing what you want, fire them. People forget that's an option.

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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

If your doctor isnt doing what you want, fire them. People forget that's an option.

A stupid option, but yes, an option.

imagine living life saying doctors are bad.

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Lmao CEs anti-science anti-medicine nonsense gets wilder by the day

are you all HAES advocates too

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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

imagine living life saying doctors are bad.

RebelElite791 posted...

Lmao CEs anti-science anti-medicine nonsense gets wilder by the day

are you all HAES advocates too

Imo opinions like these come from people who've never dealt with diseases out of the ordinary or who've only had good doctors

There are plenty of doctors who don't care and spout nonsense. Not coz they're dumb but mostly coz they don't care
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I put 100,000 on a car before. Ergo, I am a certified mechanic now.

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I feel a lot of this thread is Americans showing why their health care system is garbage.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I feel a lot of this thread is Americans showing why their health care system is garbage.

Our healthcare system is garbage
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furb posted...

I put 100,000 on a car before. Ergo, I am a certified mechanic now.

Imagine trusting everything a mechanic tells you
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konokonohamaru posted...

Imagine trusting everything a mechanic tells you

I use a computer everyday. Ergo, I am a certified IT expert.

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konokonohamaru posted...

Imagine trusting everything a mechanic tells you

Imagine thinking someone in a position of morr knowledge and experience than you is wrong because you disagree.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

So both are being stupid.

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

yes

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furb posted...

I use a computer everyday. Ergo, I am a certified IT expert.

IT expert: did you restart your computer?
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Let's be real. Sometimes experts are wrong. However, laypeople are wrong at much higher rates, including ourselves. Even doctors go to others for their own diagnosis.

It is flawed reasonsing to equate experts being wrong rarely with thinking laypeople are consistantly righter than such experts.


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konokonohamaru posted...

IT expert: did you restart your computer?

No but I checked to see if my modem is plugged in.


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furb posted...

Let's be real. Sometimes experts are wrong. However, laypeople are wrong at much higher rates, including ourselves. Even doctors go to others for their own diagnosis.

It is flawed reasonsing to equate experts being wrong rarely with thinking laypeople are consistantly righter than such experts.

Fair enough but I think the topic is about arrogant experts who won't entertain the possibility that the patient may be right
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konokonohamaru posted...

Fair enough but I think the topic is about arrogant experts who won't entertain the possibility that the patient may be right

You should listen to the expert.

This isn't just the case with medicine; the anti-expert movement is literally one of the most terrifying trends in modern society

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As someone who has seen doctors his entire life. I now see it as a second opinion and that's it.

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Good topic.

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COVxy posted...

You should listen to the expert.

This isn't just the case with medicine; the anti-expert movement is literally one of the most terrifying trends in modern society

Yeah. If you really think they're wrong, get the opinion of another expert.

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LordRazziel posted...

Yeah. If you really think they're wrong, get the opinion of another expert.

Yeah, I suppose the most accurate way to pur it is trust the consensus of experts, and if you don't have access to many, trust whatever plurality you have as the best info you have.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

the problem with this kind of thinking is that all doctors are not experts in everything related to the medical field and shouldn't be thought of as such. every kind of doctor has a different specific place in the medical field, and most aren't even actual "experts" in that specific place. you definitely should not just blindly listen to and follow everything a doctor tells you simply because they are a doctor.

If it's between their statements and your google searches, you should probably hold a much higher baseline confidence in their opinion.

It should take strong evidence to combat that prior.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

the problem with this kind of thinking is that all doctors are not experts in everything related to the medical field and shouldn't be thought of as such. every kind of doctor has a different specific place in the medical field, and most aren't even actual "experts" in that specific place. you definitely should not just blindly listen to and follow everything a doctor tells you simply because they are a doctor.

Both anti expert and blindly trusting experts leads to trouble. Part of opioid addiction crisis is doctors too willing to prescribe pain pills for everything
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COVxy posted...

If it's between their statements and your google searches, you should probably hold a much higher baseline confidence in their opinion.

It should take strong evidence to combat that prior.

So if every medical website you come across says one thing quite clearly and factually, but you're doctor claims it's false you should trust your doctor?

Like I know fully well that there are various types of seizures and I have been getting the symptoms of one specific kind for awhile now, my gp who referred me to the neurologist said they sound like possible seizures but this neurologist claims that there's no such thing as a seizure where you're aware it's happening. Something that is a complete lie. I'm supposed to just accept that because he's a specialist doctor and I'm just a patient?