Current Events > Kentucky Bill Would Let Students Sue Over Transgender people in Restrooms

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https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2019/12/11/kentucky-bill-would-let-students-sue-over-trans-presence-restrooms

A bill introduced in Kentucky would keep transgender students from using restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity and allow students to sue if they encounter a trans student in such spaces.

Rep. David Hale, a Republican, prefiled the bill last week for consideration in the states upcoming legislative session, which begins January 7, The Courier-Journal of Louisville reports. It claims that allowing trans students to use the sex-segregated spaces aligning with their gender identity creates a significant potential for disruption of school activities and unsafe conditions as well as potential embarrassment, shame and psychological injury for cisgender students. It dubs the situation an emergency.

Trans students who request accommodations with parental consent could be allowed use of a single-stall restroom, a unisex restroom, or faculty facilities, but not student restrooms, locker rooms, or shower rooms designated for use by students of the opposite biological sex while students of the opposite biological sex are present or could be present, the legislation reads.

School officials would be responsible for enforcing the policy, and if any student encounters a trans student in one of the forbidden facilities, they could take legal action against their school district. The offending school shall be civilly liable to a student who is aggrieved under this subsection and who prevails in a court of jurisdiction prescribed by paragraph (b) of this subsection. The student shall be entitled to recover from the offending school any costs, expenses, and fees, including attorney's fees, associated with the claim, the bill says.

The Courier-Journal could not reach Hale for comment, but it did speak to a representative of the Fairness Campaign, a statewide LGBTQ group, who blasted the bill for ostracizing and endangering transgender students.

At the end of the day, what that says is You are so different that the only accommodation we are willing to make is to make you use a special restroom, a different restroom, which once more isolates the transgender youth and makes them additionally vulnerable targets, Fairness Campaign Director Chris Hartman said.

So if I am the only trans kid in school and I can only use the single-stall locking bathroom on the third floor, everybody knows that thats where Im gonna go to the restroom, he added. And again, its easy to target someone if thats what youre looking for

I can't say that I support this bill. It seems unnecessary
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If you have a penis then you shouldn't be in a female high school change room.

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And the Republicans love to tout this belief that they are the ones that are pro LGBT. Lmao.

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All these bills are made to make life for transgender people. They want to ban trans youth from hormones and to ultimately have all transgender people banned from existing.

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Someone should point out the statistics between how many trans people have committed sexual assault in a bathroom vs how many Republican politicians have. it won't change any of their votes, but it would be fun to watch them try to spin it.

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Sickening.

The cruelty is the point.

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PleaseClap posted...

creates a significant potential for disruption of school activities and unsafe conditions as well as potential embarrassment, shame and psychological injury for cisgender students. It dubs the situation an emergency.

Isn't this basically "trans panic"?

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Republicans are scared of you if youre not a straight white male with money.

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Also how many of these assholes who pretend they're doing this to "protect women" are the same types who don't seem to care if a woman gets raped?

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Medussa posted...

Someone should point out the statistics between how many trans people have committed sexual assault in a bathroom vs how many Republican politicians have. it won't change any of their votes, but it would be fun to watch them try to spin it.

I don't think that the people who support bills like this are using reason and logic to inform their viewpoints
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Idk about restrooms but I can guarantee if it was a highschool locker room it would be inappropriate

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Idk about restrooms but I can guarantee if it was a highschool locker room it would be inappropriate

If youre attracted to guys its far more inappropriate to be in a locker room with them changing regardless of your gender.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

If youre attracted to guys its far more inappropriate to be in a locker room with them changing regardless of your gender.

Well yes but penis is generally regarded as fine between all males. Many boys could claim to be transgender to just be around nearly to fully nude females daily

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Lesbians also exist in female changing rooms so this isn't about that

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Well yes but penis is generally regarded as fine between all males. Many boys could claim to be transgender to just be around nearly to fully nude females daily

Examples of people doing that and getting socially ostracized: 0

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Another day, another dude on CE saying that trans people are predators

Please change, CE
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And people say that the trans community doesn't face discrimination

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Well yes but penis is generally regarded as fine between all males. Many boys could claim to be transgender to just be around nearly to fully nude females daily

Curious to your stance where someone who had a sex change should go. I have a neo vagina. Where do you think I'd be best?

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Can some explain to me why people shouldn't be bothered by a person with opposite sexual organs undressing and getting naked in the same locker room? I'm not saying I think it shouldn't be tolerated, I'm just confused about it. I want to know more.

if it goes to the supreme court then they'll take care of it by legalizing transgender rights. i really don't care if people have the impression that circuit court judges are bad (maybe they are), but at the highest levels you get something a bit different and better. that's my view at least and i think it's validated by the decisions the supreme court has made over so many years.

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People are too obsessed with who is in the bathroom

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malenz posted...

Can some explain to me why people shouldn't be bothered by a person with opposite sexual organs undressing and getting naked in the same locker room? I'm not saying I think it shouldn't be tolerated, I'm just confused about it. I want to know more.

Puritanical bullshit that only became a thing cuz religion says to cover up and separate the genders

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Umbreon posted...

Also how many of these assholes who pretend they're doing this to "protect women" are the same types who don't seem to care if a woman gets raped?

Some of the typical critics of trans women sharing restrooms with cisgender women are cisgender women themselves. And their usual sentiment is definitely NOT negligent about women getting raped. It's quite the opposite...they flat out do not trust anyone identifying as a trans woman in female restrooms. And they're especially critical of their daughters sharing school lavatory and changing areas with teen trans girls.

Yes, there's a lot of male politicians in the west. But the majority of voting power comes from women...

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those people live in a gag manga. you don't have to worry about women being women in a woman only space.

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Musourenka posted...

Sickening.

The cruelty is the point.

It looks like the intent is protecting the youth. There's no perfect way to do this, but they're trying something here.

OpenlyGator posted...

Some of the typical critics of trans women sharing restrooms with cisgender women are cisgender women themselves. And their usual sentiment is definitely NOT negligent about women getting raped. It's quite the opposite...they flat out do not trust anyone identifying as a trans woman in female restrooms. And they're especially critical of their daughters sharing school lavatory and changing areas with teen trans girls.

Yes, there's a lot of male politicians in the west. But the majority of voting power comes from women...

The thing is we've been sharing bathrooms with trans-women for years and years. Trans people didn't just magically appear in the past few years. They've always been around since we've been alive. This has never been an issue until these bills starting making a non-issue into one.

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TheRealDill2011 posted...

It looks like the intent is protecting the youth. There's no perfect way to do this, but they're trying something here.

Gun control?

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Kastrada posted...

The thing is we've been sharing bathrooms with trans-women for years and years. Trans people didn't just magically appear in the past few years. They've always been around since we've been alive. This has never been an issue until these bills starting making a non-issue into one.

Erm.

Kinda of has.

I mean numbers are unreliable and hard to come by but GLAAD's research in 2017 estimates that 3% of the US population now identifies as trans.

In the 70s it was like 0.04%

Sure neither number is definately accurate but in ballpark figures it shows the change and similar things are being reflected in Western Europe, New Zealand etc.

Not defending the bill BTW, it's horrible obviously. Just saying that the transgender stuff is pretty much a 21st century issue It was not accepted or debated in general discourse in the past. There really are more trans people around than there used to be

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Kastrada posted...

The thing is we've been sharing bathrooms with trans-women for years and years. Trans people didn't just magically appear in the past few years. They've always been around since we've been alive. This has never been an issue until these bills starting making a non-issue into one.

And none of that would matter to the cisgender women I described, many of which would have been immediately uncomfortable as soon as they figured out they or their daughter/granddaughter/niece had just used a public restroom with "someone who identifies as a trans woman".

Notice I put that in quotes?

It's to give you an idea of what some of these alarmist women think when it comes to trans women sharing the same restrooms as regular women. They have a common perspective of suspicion around any strangers claiming to be trans women in "women-only spaces".

Is that the fault of trans women? No...but that's the boogey monster you're dealing with. Some of these women are concerned matriarchs (mothers, grandmothers, aunts, etc) who will vote in support of many trans rights....except when it comes to sharing the ladies room. Hell some of them are flat out TERFs who typically refuse to welcome trans women anywhere.

My main point before was that there's a significant amount of women who also vehemently disagree with trans women using the same restrooms as cis women and girls. Sure, some male politicians share the same perspective. However, there's also quite a bit of male politicians who don't personally share that view but will push anti-trans policies just to cater to a fuckload of angry cis people (both men and women) demanding "someone please think of the children".

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I'm just gonna go ahead and ask you how many cis guys do you know who go around in their men's clothes preying on women in restrooms whilst pretending to be trans women? Because that's the scenario you're describing, and I don't think anyone would have trouble seeing through a sham like that. I don't know of any cis guys who are willing to get dressed up for some peeping; making their way to a ladies bathroom without facing ridicule is going to be too big a hurdle for them.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

I'm just gonna go ahead and ask you how many cis guys do you know who go around in their men's clothes preying on women in restrooms whilst pretending to be trans women? Because that's the scenario you're describing

No. The scenario I described is the one I have heard concerned women explain to me for why they were not okay with sharing a public ladies room with trans women. And some of these women were vocally pro-trans on almost every other political issue...except those locker rooms and restrooms.

I don't personally give a shit either way; the debate is a nonissue for me. As a guy I've had to share the mens restroom with trans men before, some of which were noticeably trans. It was unusual, but I didn't care. And non of them ever made it a problem either. We were there to take a piss and get out. Hell I've had trans women walk into the mens restroom. Again, wasn't an issue for me. I've seen it hundreds of times as a gay man.

However, there's a surprising amount of cisgender women who don't feel as comfortable sharing "female-only" spaces with trans women. Maybe you're the kind of person they would never admit that around. But they had no problem saying it where I and my social circle could overhear. Some of these women have responded to the issue with their own local political groups declaring that trans women should not be allowed in "female-only" spaces.

I'm just saying the resistance to trans women using the ladies restroom and female locker areas has a lot more components to it than just "those evil cliche cis male politicians dishing out oppression again." I'm afraid there's a lot of cis women who are adamantly against letting trans women into "female-only" areas and they certainly due their part backing those politicians. And if you think they're all on the political right, you need to catch up more than you realize...

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I feel like its inaccurate to claim that somebody supports trans rights if theyre also scared to be around trans people and believe all of them are predators.
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Bump
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That isn't a bump, THIS is a bump
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Republican shithole doing vile things nothing new for evil republicans

shockthemonkey posted...

People who are obsessed with where trans people shit are the dumbest of the dumb.

This is correct.
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Medussa posted...

Someone should point out the statistics between how many trans people have committed sexual assault in a bathroom vs how many Republican politicians have. it won't change any of their votes, but it would be fun to watch them try to spin it.

I remember a bunch of republicans went into women bathrooms to harass women to show the dangers of letting trans people pick which bathroom they wanted to use.

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PleaseClap posted...

Another day, another dude on CE saying that trans people are predators

Please change, CE

we can try. but it changes with him.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

And people say that the trans community doesn't face discrimination

There's a guy in the 261 version of this topic going on and on about how he doesn't understand why trans people "feel like they MUST publicize their struggles" and is instead suggesting that they should just try being happy and living their lives.

You can't really get through to people like that.
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Everyone should share bathrooms and then there wouldn't even need to be a discussion. We don't worry about men and women co-mingling in any other public building room. Rape and sexual abuse are still going to be incredibly illegal and can happen literally anywhere

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PleaseClap posted...

I feel like its inaccurate to claim that somebody supports trans rights if theyre also scared to be around trans people and believe all of them are predators.

Well that's a point to be made, but some people will swear up and down that they're in support of something while having contradicting beliefs at home. It's not uncommon.

I'm not saying women should be afraid of sharing private areas with trans people. I don't believe it's worth being an issue.
I'm saying, whether it seems logical or not, a lot of cisgender women are afraid even if they won't always openly admit it. Many of whom are paranoid mothers.
And they will hold onto those stigmas while voting pro-trans to avoid being called a bigot and in some cases to ironically assuage guilt.

People don't always approach politics as black and white. Many people have a very grey perspective when it comes to policies. Meaning some people will convince themselves they're "pro-trans enough" to permit a couple ironically discriminating exceptions. Hence someone being in support of 95% of pro-trans policies...but very against that 5% they do not approve of.

It was a similar phenomena following the debate over gay marriage rights in the US. Lots and lots of 95% straight "supporters" who were claiming to be in favor of gay rights, until marriage was brought into the picture. Some of them, despite years of "keeping a truce" around gays had to figuratively be dragged kicking and screaming when it came time to give up that 5%. Some people react similarly to trans rights issues when their claim of support is finally called into question. And sorry, there's a lot of people, men and women, who still fit that bill...

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PleaseClap posted...

A bill introduced in Kentucky

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I seriously came into this topic to find out who the fuck Kentucky Bill is.

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Sphyx posted...

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I seriously came into this topic to find out who the fuck Kentucky Bill is.

He's a dangerous man who must be stopped

OpenlyGator posted...

Hence someone being in support of 95% of pro-trans policies

People who are scared of being around trans people do not support "95% of pro-trans policies." If someone doesn't support something as small as bathroom rights, what rights do they actually think trans people should have?

It doesn't matter how "supportive" people like that claim to be.
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TheRealDill2011 posted...

It looks like the intent is protecting the youth. There's no perfect way to do this, but they're trying something here.

Protecting the youth from what, exactly?

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The23rdMagus posted...

Protecting the youth from what, exactly?

You really shouldn't engage with accounts like that
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I thought this would have been regarding college campuses, in which case I would disagree with.

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Pathetic.

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shockthemonkey posted...

So you agree with it?

You really don't have to engage with the rookie user
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