Current Events > George Zimmerman sues family of Trayvon Martin, publisher, prosecutors

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metallica846 posted...

No

https://www.npr.org/2013/02/26/172965370/trayvon-came-back-for-george-says-brother

Yea, I don't know why Zimmerman's brother would say that

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HelloImaPC posted...

You couldn't have followed it, because at no time did they say Trayvon made it home and went back out.

Yes they did.

Trayvon ran away from Zimmerman and lost him easily because Zimmerman is a fat fuck.
He then told his girlfriend he got home, then told his girlfriend he was going after Zimmerman.

Then followed Zimmerman, hid and ambushed him.

To claim Trayon didn't go home you have to claim he ran past his home, lied to his girlfriend for no reason, then turned round and went after Zimmerman. That makes no sense

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Zimmerman literally stalked,

False. Zimmerman never stalked anyone.

confronted, and then killed an unarmed 17 year old kid because he "thought he looked suspicious", in his own words.

Yes and there is reason why Trayvon was supsicious. You're taking it out of context.

While maybe not murder, that is just some asshole with an axe to grind looking for a fight. When he got his fight, he shot the guy. It is not his job, in any way, to confront and then murder a kid.

right, first off. Zimmerman wasn't looking for a fight. He didn't lay a hand on Trayvon and after shooting him he restrained Trayvon and was trying to hold him for police.

Secondly, Trayvon confronted and attacked him. Sure he called out to Trayvon but comparing that to literally attacking someone is crazy. Trayvon left, then came back and literally ambushed Zimmerman,

Or was he just a black kid in a gated community and some asshole decided he looked suspicious, literally chased him down, and when the kid defended himself from this threat, got shot for it.

No.

Trayvon got away and then came back to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn't "Chase him down" and Trayvon never defended himself, he attacked Zimmerman.

Second. Zimmerman's suspicions are more reasonable than you make them appear in a vacuum. This was a gated community as you said with a very small black population and no black teenagers. Recently groups of black teens had been sneaking in at night and robbing homes. Zimmerman had caught them 4 times and called police but by the time police arrived, the criminals had run away and there was nothing police could do.

Trayvon did not live in the gated community, he'd only just moved in with relatives so Zimmerman didn't recongize him, looked similar to one of these crooks and was walking around the streets in literally the middle of the night.

Sure Zimmerman's arguably still a dick for making assumptions and calling out to him. But the reasons for Zimmerman being suspicious and calling the cops to be prepared is more nuanced than "He saw a black guy and flipped out then wanted to kill him" which is intentionally dishonest as fuck

Fuck anyone who is going to defend these actions. If it was a cop who shot the kid on these flimsy grounds, these same assholes who are defending Zimmerman would call for that cop to be fired out of a cannon.

No. Cops get the same 101 self defense as anyone else.

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metallica846 posted...

No

https://www.npr.org/2013/02/26/172965370/trayvon-came-back-for-george-says-brother

Why did Zimmerman leave his car? Why would he, AFTER BEING TOLD BY DISPATCHER NOT TO, leave his car?

So either, Zimmerman thinks this guy is such a threat he called the police, didn't follow what the dispatcher said, and somehow got jumped BY Trayvon in the process of.... leaving his car and going for a nice walk?

Or, Zimmerman decided, after saying, "They always get away with it" and telling the dispatcher he was gonna follow him, followed him and there was an altercation.

Oh, and remember, Zimmerman settled a wrongful death lawsuit made against him by the company that owned the gated community, so at the very least Zimmerman admits that what he did was wrong. You don't settle a wrongful death suit if all you did was get jumped by someone and shoot them.

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I still could never figure this whole thing out. Zimmerman provoked a confrontation, got his ass kicked, then shot and killed the kid who he provoked the confrontation with and who was kicking his ass. How anyone could have found him innocent I don't get. He provoked a confrontation then when it didn't go the way he wanted he murdered a teenager. Now he wants to sue them? Fuck him. Guy is in serious need of an ass beating.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes they did.

Trayvon ran away from Zimmerman and lost him easily because Zimmerman is a fat fuck.
He then told his girlfriend he got home, then told his girlfriend he was going after Zimmerman.

Then followed Zimmerman, hid and ambushed him.

To claim Trayon didn't go home you have to claim he ran past his home, lied to his girlfriend for no reason, then turned round and went after Zimmerman. That makes no sense

Once again, you're wrong.

Yes, Trayon hid and ambushed him. But he never made it home and went back out.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Why did Zimmerman leave his car? Why would he, AFTER BEING TOLD BY DISPATCHER NOT TO, leave his car?

The dispatcher did not tell him not to. He said he didn't have too.

Dispatcher advice is not legal instruction. IT's not relevant to the case.

And he did it because the past 4 times, crooks got away because the police were too slow

So either, Zimmerman thinks this guy is such a threat he called the police, didn't follow what the dispatcher said, and somehow got jumped BY Trayvon in the process of.... leaving his car and going for a nice walk?

No he left the car, followed Trayvon down a public street, Trayvon ran. Zimmerman couldn't keep up, lost him, turned around and headed back to this car.

Trayvon got home, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him

Oh, and remember, Zimmerman settled a wrongful death lawsuit made against him by the company that owned the gated community, so at the very least Zimmerman admits that what he did was wrong. You don't settle a wrongful death suit if all you did was get jumped by someone and shoot them.

I don't know the details on this so I can't comment on it but there are myriad of reasons why you might settle on a case rather than fight it. Especially when you're already mentally shattered and exhausted.

But yeah I don't think even Zimmerman thinks getting out of his car was the "right" thing to do in retrsopect, he underestimated how violent Trayvon was.

IT however was not illegal in any form

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ScazarMeltex posted...

I still could never figure this whole thing out. Zimmerman provoked a confrontation, got his ass kicked, then shot and killed the kid who he provoked the confrontation with and who was kicking his ass. How anyone could have found him innocent I don't get. He provoked a confrontation then when it didn't go the way he wanted he murdered a teenager. Now he wants to sue them? Fuck him. Guy is in serious need of an ass beating.

That's because that's not what happened.

Unless you count talking to Trayvon as "Provoking a confrontation" that never occured.

Trayvon got away Then went after zimmerman to attack him.

Trayvon did more than "kick Zimmerman's ass" he was beating him to death and saying he was going to kill him.

I don't see how in anyway you can say Zimmerman "provoked" being beaten to death even before the fact Trayvon was the one who went atfter Zimmerman.

I think this is why you can't figure it out, your understanding of what happened is wrong

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• 7:13:41 The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.[14]
• 7:16:00 7:16:59 Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.[14][15] [the precise time surfaced during the trial, the call ends at 7:15:43, 1 minute and 12 seconds before the shot.]
• 7:16:11 First 9-1-1 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[16]
• 7:16:55 Gunshot heard on 9-1-1 call.[17]

So the argument is, that in less than FOUR minutes, Zimmerman leaves his car to... follow Trayvon. He admits he did this much, though in his account of events, he followed him only to give police information on where he was. Then, on his way back to his vehicle, Trayvon had gotten around him and hid somewhere to attack Zimmerman. Again, this is the account of Zimmerman and his family members, not actual eye-witnesses, some of whom say Zimmerman is full of crap.

But now people are saying in that four minutes, Trayvon went HOME, then went back out of his house, hid somewhere to ambush Zimmerman and basically try to kill him?

That story makes no sense, nevermind the timeline of events.

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He has yet to post a shred of evidence of Trayvon getting home, yet he continues with that narrative.

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That series mugshots tells a story and the story is george zimmerman hates himself

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

So the argument is, that in less than FOUR minutes, Zimmerman leaves his car to... follow Trayvon. He admits he did this much, though in his account of events, he followed him only to give police information on where he was. Then, on his way back to his vehicle, Trayvon had gotten around him and hid somewhere to attack Zimmerman. Again, this is the account of Zimmerman and his family members, not actual eye-witnesses, some of whom say Zimmerman is full of crap.

But now people are saying in that four minutes, Trayvon went HOME, then went back out of his house, hid somewhere to ambush Zimmerman and basically try to kill him?

That story makes no sense, nevermind the timeline of events.

I don't think you're following what happened

https://i.imgur.com/ep0vbYl.png

Trayvon swung to his home and was running.. Zimmerman lost him because he's a fat fuck and kept going forwards.

When Trayvon doubled back to confront Zimmerman, he caught up to him pretty easily, especially because Zimmerman got lost.

It fits the timeline perfectly. We're not talking 5 mile sprints, we're talking small distances at night.

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BTW when people point out the fact Trayvon got home they don't mean he put on the PS2 and watched TV, had dinner, relaxed for a few hours etc

He got home. Then decided to turn around and follow Zimmerman rather than stay home.

He seemed irritated by Zimmerman and wanted to go after him.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

BTW when people point out the fact Trayvon got home they don't mean he put on the PS2 and watched TV, had dinner, relaxed for a few hours etc

He got home. Then decided to turn around and follow Zimmerman rather than stay home.

He seemed irritated by Zimmerman and wanted to go after him.

Then PLEASE show something that says Trayvon got home.

Show anything

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metallica846 posted...

My google skills are pretty strong and I have never heard or read anything about him going home and coming back bro. That would be a game changer and reported everywhere.

The theory is Trayvon waiting in the bushes for Zimmerman. You can't post a bomb like that without ANY evidence.

If he got home and went back out, there would have been no trial at all.

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"Actually trayvon stalked george" lmao

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This case is when CE started going downhill, and caused great racial divisiveness in America.

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Nothing to say about eyewitness accounts saying different stuff from Zimmerman, eh?

If Zimmerman literally did nothing wrong, he wouldn't have had an issue winning the case. Especially since legally in Florida you are allowed to stand your ground. It is the name of the law.

Zimmerman's legal counsel decided that there wasn't enough evidence to suggest that he was totally innocent, and PAID OVER A MILLION DOLLARS to settle out of court.

He paid a million dollars to make it go away over fighting it. Zimmerman states that he got jumped and he didn't do anything legally wrong. If you don't do anything legally wrong, you can't be guilty of a wrongful death.

I'll say this. I wouldn't say that he planned a murder. I can't even say he planned a violent confrontation.

He was ready for a violent confrontation.It happened, he shot a kid who was unarmed. And he paid a million dollars to make a "wrongful death" suit go away.

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HelloImaPC posted...

Rhen PLEASE show something that says Trayvon got home.

Show anything

It was in the court case.

Go follow it.

JEANTEL: And then he just told me and then I just told him, run. And he said --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You told him to run?

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did, if anything, did Mr. Martin say?

JEANTEL: He said, no, he almost right there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said?

JEANTEL: He almost right by his daddy's fiancee's house.

JEANTEL: And then he start -- he told me he's almost there. So as he was walking, he just complaining the man still following him and then he told me he's going to run from the back.

JEANTEL: Yes. Run from the back. I said, then a second later, he say he about to run from the back. That's when I hear him and the phone just shut off. I had to call him back --

JEANTEL: Then the phone just shut off. Then I had called back. He answered.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait, wait, wait. The phone just shut off. Then I had called back and he answered?

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Let me interrupt you a second. When you say the phone cut off, meaning your connection with Mr. Martin?

JEANTEL: Cut off because he started running from the back area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you call him back or did he call you back?

JEANTEL: I called him back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you called him back, were you able to, again, start talking to him on the phone?

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Mr. Martin then when you called him back, did you say something to Mr. Martin or did he say something to you? Take your time when you're answering.

JEANTEL: He said he from -- I asked him where he at. He told me he at the back of his daddy fiancee house like in the area where his daddy fiancee -- by his daddy fiancee house. I said, you better keep running. He said, no, he lost him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Just stop a second. This lady's got to take everything down. Make sure you're -- OK. So after he said he lost him, what happened then?

JEANTEL: And he say he by the area that his daddy house is. His daddy fiancee house is. I told him, keep running. And he said, no, he'll just walk faster. I could still hear him breathing hard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened after that?

JEANTEL: And then a second later -- yes -- that the -- behind me --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- at that time.

JEANTEL: I told him, you better run. And he had told me he already -- he almost by his daddy fiancee house. So I said and I just shut my room door that connects to my door in the bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me make sure the jury understands that. You're not talking to Mr. Martin at that time. You're actually in a room. And you did what in your house?
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JEANTEL: I was in my bathroom. I was trying to fix my hair for school the next day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So you were talking -- how were you able to talk and fix your hair at the same time.

JEANTEL: On Bluetooth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're on Bluetooth?

JEANTEL: Bluetooth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So while you were talking to him, you had a Bluetooth connection.

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you tell him, hold on, I'm going to go fix my hair or you just did it? You're just telling the jury what you did.

JEANTEL: I just did it because the phone was just in my pocket.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What happened then after you went to another room, closed the door, and fixing your hair?

JEANTEL: I just closed the door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry. You closed the door.

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you still talking to him at this point?

JEANTEL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Tell us what happened then.

JEANTEL: And then I say, Trayvon. And then he said, why are you following me for? And I heard a hard breath man kind of saying, what you doing around here?

See the full thing in detail by following the trial.

Trayvon ran away. Got away, called his friend, then went back after Zimmerman.
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HelloImaPC posted...

If he got home and went back out, there would have been no trial at all.

There shouldn't have been a trial

That's the entire point. That's why Zimmerman is filing a lawsuit, that's why the case was treated as open and shut by the police when it first happened. The trial was a complete farce and circus. It was near entirely emotion and ignoring facts. Just like the guys yelling at Zimmerman in this topic

metallica846 posted...

That's why Zimmerman was acquitted in a nutshell.

Neither of them stalked anyone.

People don't seem to know what stalked means. Walking down a public street isn't stalking...
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Trayvon ran away. Got away, called his friend, then went back after Zimmerman.

So where's the part about him going in the house and then going back out?

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this is pathetic, even for ce; going to bat for zimmerzam
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What did they do with all the stolen property found in Ts school locker?
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HelloImaPC posted...

So where's the part about him going in the house and then going back out?

I don't know if he literally entered the home or not. But he reached it safe and sound, turned around and went back after Zimmerman to follow and attack him.

Whether or not he walked through the door is simutaniously unprovable and irrelevant
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't know if he literally entered the home or not. But he reached it safe and sound, turned around and went back after Zimmerman to follow and attack him.

Whether or not he walked through the door is simutaniously unprovable and irrelevant

He reached the area, it never said he reached the house.

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Hanky_Bannister posted...

this is pathetic, even for ce; going to bat for zimmerzam

Zimmerman murdered an African American. Are you really surprised that the usual suspects are going to bat for him?

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metallica846 posted...

Someone stalked somebody that night.

1. Not in the legal sense. No they didn't.

2. You're being hyperliteral by using the word in that context.

Describing walking down a public path once as "Stalking" because "Well the dictionary says follow so...." is just incorrect usage of the English language.

It's just silly emotional pulp. Leave it out. There was no stalking.
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metallica846 posted...

That's why Zimmerman was acquitted in a nutshell.

Why was trayvon afraid of george

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that poster can't help but be a contrarian and this is one of his favorite subjects


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HelloImaPC posted...

He reached the area, it never said he reached the house.

https://i.imgur.com/ep0vbYll.png

Look at where the confrontation happened.

He either reached home or he was lying to his friend for no reason.

Either way, he got away, turned around and ambushed Zimmerman.

Remember, this is minutes of running + fast walking we are talking about here. And if Trayvon wasn't hiding and didn't go home. He was standing still in the open and Zimmerman still missed him and went the wrong way somehow...

Doesn't add up.

Trayvon got safely home.
Trayvon turned around and went after zimmerman to confront him

These are facts
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For the love of God, STOP.RESPONDING.TO.UNFAIRREPRESENT.


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ledbowman posted...

Why was trayvon afraid of george

There a number of reasons to be afraid of a creepy fat guy being weird at night.

I'm not sure if Trayvon was afraid or just irritated. But he should have called the cops. Not turned around and attacked Zimmerman. that's not what you do in a civilized country, you don't attack and try to kill people in the street.

Even 17 year olds know that.
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I guess we're down to "citizen george was just minding his own business until violent weed smoker trayvon attacked him"

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Alt right always defending the most vile reprehensible people sad lives they lead

I wonder how many people Hilary has had killed for the almighty dollar? Trump won the election due to the alt lefts support for this criminal.

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12Medz86 posted...

What did they do with all the stolen property found in Ts school locker?

Do you have any source for this, or are you just spouting bullshit facts again?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Hes millions in debt and no business will run the bad PR of hiring him

What would you do?

fall back when the 911 dispatcher tells me to stand down.


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Holy shit this topic is at like 250 posts and not a single new thing has been discussed that hasn't been discussed a million times before.
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You know its entirely possible that the jewelry was just. You know, his families property and not stolen.

metallica846 posted...

HAHAHAHA yeah I always kept my moms jewelry in my fucking backpack at school. Step off.

What evidence do you have its stolen?