Current Events > I just do not understand why a black person would vote republican

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I do not understand how anyone can be a Holocaust denier. Care to comment @JBaLLEN66 ?

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XXmiznatorXX posted...

I think a lot of people are like @TheRealDill2010. Blacks came out for Trump because the alternative was...Hillary. And we know her past with blacks.

You do understand that RealDill isn't a real person right?
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

I think a lot of people are like @TheRealDill2010. Blacks came out for Trump because the alternative was...Hillary. And we know her past with blacks.

She called us Super Predators
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ScazarMeltex posted...

XXmiznatorXX posted...

I think a lot of people are like @TheRealDill2010. Blacks came out for Trump because the alternative was...Hillary. And we know her past with blacks.

You do understand that RealDill isn't a real person right?

How am I posting here if I'm not real?
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I don't understand why anyone not rich or racist would vote Republican.
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

But I gotta say, at least Rs dont pander.

They do, they just pander to the people they care more about.
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Didn't Trump only get 6% of the black vote? How is that in any way showing were changing parties?

While I do agree that a lot of black people are disillusioned by the Democrats, changing to the Republicans en masse isn't going to happen. We're more likely to just stop voting, period.

Anteaterking posted...

They do, they just pander to the people they care more about.

Right! Trump does so constantly.

Dems are so bad some blacks vote Pub just to stick it to them, they know shit aint going to change with the Dems in charge anyway.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Dems are so bad some blacks vote Pub just to stick it to them, they know shit aint going to change with the Dems in charge anyway.

This has been true also.

Just look at Warren, for instance, pushing out Pressley to speak on behalf of her in her rally the other day to black folks.

I know a lot of blacks too arent able to afford healthcare anymore thanks to Obamacare. My own parents are living proof of that. Before Obamacare they were fine but now its driven up their costs so much that they cant afford their insurance anymore. And my folks were blue collar who raised 7 of us without any financial issues up until the last decade.

The sad part is, Dems have been in a bubble for so long, they forget that there are not just white blue collars in flyover states. The days of voting Dem just because of the boogeyman Reps are racist or whatever isnt working anymore. Dems are starting to slowly realize this.

XXmiznatorXX posted...

I hate to say it, but black unemployment is actually down with Trump. Thats good enough for many blacks. Go watch black YouTube and see how many blacks are actually starting to become pro-Trump, believe it or not. Also, like I said, socially, many blacks are actually pretty conservative, like not supporting abortion, Planned Parenthood, and LGBT issues.

Also, especially this past election cycle, Democrats talk a lot about race and bring up race issues. But a reason why blacks arent going for a Kamala Harris and Cory Booker is because theyll pander to blacks by doing some Black panther poses or whatever, but when asked specifically about supporting blacks, she laughed it off. This video alone is a reason why she has little black support.

https://youtu.be/u1wdrqbcGCs

So now either blacks are switching parties or not voting at all. But the Democrats had their chance with Obama, nothing. And now with neo-lib folks like Joe Biden , who supported those incarceration bills in the 90s, why would the black vote be necessarily high for that? People are starting to make their own decisions.

I think its best to listen to people. Rather than just well why they dont just do this? like were a bunch of mindless sheep.

I didn't take what she said as the way the dude in the video did. I took it as, she meant that whatever policies she would focus on would benefit everybody not just black people.

I don't have anything against what you said specifically in this topic, as I agree with most of it, but just the video. He especially lost me when he said he supports reparations. Sorry bro, but what my ancestors went through can't be bought.

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XXmiznatorXX posted...

The days of voting Dem just because of the boogeyman Reps are racist or whatever isnt working anymore.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-11-19/trump-drove-black-voters-to-the-polls-to-choose-democrats
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Both parties do nothing really for blacks

Democrats at least say they will, Republicans don't care.

I don't understand how poor whites vote for republicans

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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Both parties do nothing really for blacks

Democrats at least say they will, Republicans don't care.

I don't understand how poor whites vote for republicans

LBJ once said something to the effect of white people letting their government abuse and exploit them to no end as long as black people are still kept beneath them.
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Between Hillary and Trump I just went third party.

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XXmiznatorXX posted...

I hate to say it, but black unemployment is actually down with Trump.

That's not because of Trump.......

https://apnews.com/f78f4205f474482db8bb8fa7a5ebfa27

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-black-unemployment-rate-twitter-claim-african-american-lowest-in-history-fact-check/

https://www.epi.org/blog/before-the-state-of-the-union-a-fact-check-on-black-unemployment/


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metallica846 posted...

My girl is Mexican and her entire extended family loves Trump even with all the wall shit he talks about and shit hole countries etc etc.

Why?

Abortion. That's it case closed. Ugh fuck outtaaaa here with that shit.

There are substantial blocs of conservative/Republican Mexican Americans in the US. Theyre also very up front with how they see politics too if asked about it.
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The employment rates don't include those who work for themselves. Black people were slaves then struggled to find work because of racism. For those who did find work, they were usually treated unfairly in wages and more. That's why relying on trade skills was always such a prominent thing for Black people. You could take your skills anywhere and make money.

Many Black people today are the exact same way. The hustle has always been a reoccurring theme with Black people. Whether it be as a barber/beautician, mechanic, landscaper, handyman, carpentry, child care and more.

In fact, many Black mothers had to teach their kids to cook and care for their siblings because she had to get up early to care for somebody ELSE'S children as part of her job. Many Black adults have that memory.

Basically, Black people have always been pretty independent, and operate pretty well without outside entities destroying and sabotaging them. The unemployment rate for Black people has never been accurate at telling the story of Black entrepreneurship.

You hear it in the music even in 2019. Hustle, getting yours, being independent, etc... Reoccurring themes.
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Philosopher_X posted...

The employment rates don't include those who work for themselves. Black people were slaves then struggled to find work because of racism. For those who did find work, they were usually treated unfairly in wages and more. That's why relying on trade skills was always such a prominent thing for Black people. You could take your skills anywhere and make money.

Many Black people today are the exact same way. The hustle has always been a reoccurring theme with Black people. Whether it be as a barber/beautician, mechanic, landscaper, handyman, carpentry, child care and more.

In fact, many Black mothers had to teach their kids to cook and care for their siblings because she had to get up early to care for somebody ELSE'S children as part of her job. Many Black adults have that memory.

Basically, Black people have always been pretty independent, and operate pretty well without outside entities destroying and sabotaging them. The unemployment rate for Black people has never been accurate at telling the story of Black entrepreneurship.

You hear it in the music even in 2019. Hustle, getting yours, being independent, etc... Reoccurring themes.

Truth
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Taharqa_ posted...

StealthRock posted...

Why black people vote for either side confuses me

The two party system sucks but I don't think a total lack of participation in government helps us in any way. If you're not at the table then you're on the menu.

Asians are historically the least involved politcally. Black people are amongs the highest involved.

However, Asians are at a much better place systematically than we are. Their issues get represented in goverment and they are economically sound. Now i realize many factors are responsible for that, but i think its mainly because Asian focus on self empowerment and not on "getting a seat at the table". A table wasnt built for us to share anyways.

What We need to do is leverage our vote and only support those who support our issues. Voting without power is worthless
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Philosopher_X posted...

The employment rates don't include those who work for themselves. Black people were slaves then struggled to find work because of racism. For those who did find work, they were usually treated unfairly in wages and more. That's why relying on trade skills was always such a prominent thing for Black people. You could take your skills anywhere and make money.

Many Black people today are the exact same way. The hustle has always been a reoccurring theme with Black people. Whether it be as a barber/beautician, mechanic, landscaper, handyman, carpentry, child care and more.

In fact, many Black mothers had to teach their kids to cook and care for their siblings because she had to get up early to care for somebody ELSE'S children as part of her job. Many Black adults have that memory.

Basically, Black people have always been pretty independent, and operate pretty well without outside entities destroying and sabotaging them. The unemployment rate for Black people has never been accurate at telling the story of Black entrepreneurship.

You hear it in the music even in 2019. Hustle, getting yours, being independent, etc... Reoccurring themes.

This is damaging to the narrative being pushed by people who try to hide behind inconclusive statistics to shit on Black people. Even reading this won't change them, lol
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lolife67 posted...

Didn't Trump only get 6% of the black vote? How is that in any way showing were changing parties?

While I do agree that a lot of black people are disillusioned by the Democrats, changing to the Republicans en masse isn't going to happen. We're more likely to just stop voting, period.

trump got a higher percentage of black votes than republicans have in well over a decade, but at the same time, democrats saw significantly less turnout with respect to black voters in 2016

that seems to suggest obama mobilized more black democratic voters than usual, but black republican voters remained consistent in their voting numbers over the years

i wouldn't deny that some black folk did indeed swing-vote though (i did, after all), but it did not seem to be a statistically significant trend
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I don't understand why any people vote at all but here we are.

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The black people at my country club vote red bc they are not poor

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Philosopher_X posted...

The employment rates don't include those who work for themselves.

It actually does.

Who is counted as unemployed?

People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. Actively looking for work may consist of any of the following activities:

Contacting:
An employer directly or having a job interview
A public or private employment agency
Friends or relatives
A school or university employment center
Submitting resumes or filling out applications
Placing or answering job advertisements
Checking union or professional registers
Some other means of active job search

The questions used in the interviews are carefully designed to obtain the most accurate picture of each person's labor force activities. Some of the major questions that determine employment status are as follows (the bolded words are emphasized when read by the interviewers).

Does anyone in this household have a business or a farm?

Last week, did you do any work for (either) pay (or profit)?
If the answer to question 1 is "yes" and the answer to question 2 is "no," the next question is:

Last week, did you do any unpaid work in the family business or farm?
For those who reply "no" to both questions 2 and 3, the next key questions used to determine employment status are:

Last week, (in addition to the business) did you have a job, either full or part time? Include any job from which you were temporarily absent.

Last week, were you on layoff from a job?

What was the main reason you were absent from work last week?
For those who respond "yes" to question 5 about being on layoff, the following questions are asked:

Has your employer given you a date to return to work?
If "no," the next question is:

Have you been given any indication that you will be recalled to work within the next 6 months?
If the responses to either question 7 or 8 indicate that the person expects to be recalled from layoff, he or she is counted as unemployed. For those who were reported as having no job or business from which they were absent or on layoff, the next question is:

Have you been doing anything to find work during the last 4 weeks?
For those who say "yes," the next question is:

What are all of the things you have done to find work during the last 4 weeks?
If an active method of looking for work, such as those listed at the beginning of this section, is mentioned, the following question is asked:

Last week, could you have started a job if one had been offered?
If there is no reason, except temporary illness, that the person could not take a job, he or she is considered to be not only looking but also available for work and is counted as unemployed.

Employment numbers are based on these questions. If black people are answering the questions in a way that misrepresents total black unemployment, then that's on them.

StealthRock posted...

Asians are historically the least involved politcally. Black people are amongs the highest involved.

However, Asians are at a much better place systematically than we are. Their issues get represented in goverment and they are economically sound. Now i realize many factors are responsible for that, but i think its mainly because Asian focus on self empowerment and not on "getting a seat at the table". A table wasnt built for us to share anyways.

What We need to do is leverage our vote and only support those who support our issues. Voting without power is worthless

Which Asian groups though? That's a group from a number of different countries and regions under one umbrella. There's a difference between the typical socioeconomic status of East Asians and Southeast Asians, some are poor and fall into the same poverty traps.

Also, I didn't say anything about not focusing on self empowerment because economic empowerment is key. I'm saying we should be able to do both

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white conservatives love pretending to be black on the internet because they're all very normal

TheGleamEyes posted...

Philosopher_X posted...

The employment rates don't include those who work for themselves.

It actually does.

Who is counted as unemployed?

People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. Actively looking for work may consist of any of the following activities:

Contacting:
An employer directly or having a job interview
A public or private employment agency
Friends or relatives
A school or university employment center
Submitting resumes or filling out applications
Placing or answering job advertisements
Checking union or professional registers
Some other means of active job search

The questions used in the interviews are carefully designed to obtain the most accurate picture of each person's labor force activities. Some of the major questions that determine employment status are as follows (the bolded words are emphasized when read by the interviewers).

Does anyone in this household have a business or a farm?

Last week, did you do any work for (either) pay (or profit)?
If the answer to question 1 is "yes" and the answer to question 2 is "no," the next question is:

Last week, did you do any unpaid work in the family business or farm?
For those who reply "no" to both questions 2 and 3, the next key questions used to determine employment status are:

Last week, (in addition to the business) did you have a job, either full or part time? Include any job from which you were temporarily absent.

Last week, were you on layoff from a job?

What was the main reason you were absent from work last week?
For those who respond "yes" to question 5 about being on layoff, the following questions are asked:

Has your employer given you a date to return to work?
If "no," the next question is:

Have you been given any indication that you will be recalled to work within the next 6 months?
If the responses to either question 7 or 8 indicate that the person expects to be recalled from layoff, he or she is counted as unemployed. For those who were reported as having no job or business from which they were absent or on layoff, the next question is:

Have you been doing anything to find work during the last 4 weeks?
For those who say "yes," the next question is:

What are all of the things you have done to find work during the last 4 weeks?
If an active method of looking for work, such as those listed at the beginning of this section, is mentioned, the following question is asked:

Last week, could you have started a job if one had been offered?
If there is no reason, except temporary illness, that the person could not take a job, he or she is considered to be not only looking but also available for work and is counted as unemployed.

Employment numbers are based on these questions. If black people are answering the questions in a way that misrepresents total black unemployment, then that's on them.

How is that "on them" as if it's some kind of fault? Plenty Americans have under the table gigs, not just a demographic of Black people. Black people weren't even the first, lol. The point is that the numbers not only don't accurately represent the reality, but that the people who use these numbers to attack Black people are pieces of s***. Simple and plain. Doesn't take a genius to understand that basic concept.
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Philosopher_X posted...

How is that "on them" as if it's some kind of fault?

If the black unemployment stats isn't accurate as a result of black respondents answering in a way that misrepresents the reality, then whose fault is it?
You aren't polling white folks to get black unemployment numbers.

Also, "under the table gigs" count as jobs, and if blacks that are answer the census questions don't view it as a job, then it would have been reflected by a higher (unemployment) number/rate than currently is.

StealthRock posted...

What We need to do is leverage our vote and only support those who support our issues. Voting without power is worthless

PREACH!!

It's truly hilarious watching people trying to spin black unemployment numbers being the lowest ever recorded.
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TheGleamEyes posted...

Philosopher_X posted...

How is that "on them" as if it's some kind of fault?

If the black unemployment stats isn't accurate as a result of black respondents answering in a way that misrepresents the reality, then whose fault is it?
You aren't polling white folks to get black unemployment numbers.

Also, "under the table gigs" count as jobs, and if blacks that are answer the census questions don't view it as a job, then it would have been reflected by a higher (unemployment) number/rate than currently is.

Lol, literally trying to blame Black people for ignorant stereotypes.

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