Current Events > 18 y/o Girl who SHOCKED FANS by coming out TRANSGENDER is getting SURGERY! Hot??

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super_clout posted...

Still got that Y chromosome. Anyway could've fooled me.

Have you genotyped and phenotyped her to be sure of her chromosomes, she could be intersex.

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gunplagirl posted...

If you can answer mine without any hesitation then you'll know that it's no different for trans people. It's pretty innate. You just know.

So you can't answer my question and are just taking confused young people without fully formed brains at their word.

What's the difference between a kid uncomfortable in their body and one that's trans? Nothing apparently!
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CasualGuy posted...

It's also a way for ce trolls to spend 100 posts without answering initial questions

When incapable of answering a simple question, accuse the opposition of being a troll?

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gunplagirl posted...

CasualGuy posted...

It's also a way for ce trolls to spend 100 posts without answering initial questions

When incapable of answering a simple question, accuse the opposition of being a troll?

*question*

"It's just obvious duh. Why are you callin me a troll?"
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CasualGuy posted...

So you can't answer my question and are just taking confused young people without fully formed brains at their word.

What's the difference between a kid uncomfortable in their body and one that's trans? Nothing apparently!

You're being intellectually dishonest. The reason they're uncomfortable differs and can be described even without them having the terminology. If you got hurt as a kid you could describe where it hurts, how it hurts (scale of pain, burning or stinging, etc.) and even why if you know what caused it. Why you're bringing up brain development when it's long since been proven that gender identity is something kids are aware of in young kids and even toddlers, well.

But that would require you actually consider the possibility that transgender people are born that way.

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CasualGuy posted...

So you can't answer my question

She did answer your question.

It was "you just know".

And the reference was that you, as a cisgender male, "just know" that you're male and it's not really something you can explain scientifically.

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gunplagirl posted...

super_clout posted...

Still got that Y chromosome. Anyway could've fooled me.

Have you genotyped and phenotyped her to be sure of her chromosomes, she could be intersex.

She wouldn't be transgender if she was intersex.
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super_clout posted...

She wouldn't be transgender if she was intersex.

You can be both. Remember, being transgender also relates a lot to the gender they were raised as.

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CyricZ posted...

She did answer your question.

It was "you just know".

And the reference was that you, as a cisgender male, "just know" that you're male and it's not really something you can explain scientifically.

That's what I'm saying but saying it like that isn't easy enough for him to get it. And it's not because he can't. It's he won't try to understand.

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FighterStreet2 posted...

"She realized she was trans at the age of 8"

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Yeah why isn't she like all those cis people who apparently don't know their gender before adulthood

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CyricZ posted...

CasualGuy posted...

So you can't answer my question

She did answer your question.

It was "you just know".

And the reference was that you, as a cisgender male, "just know" that you're male and it's not really something you can explain scientifically.

It's a bit less of a stretch for an 8 year old to say and be correct saying "I'm a dude cause I have a penis" than "well clearly I was born in the wrong body because my body is confusing to me"
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CasualGuy posted...

It's a bit less of a stretch for an 8 year old to say and be correct saying "I'm a dude cause I have a penis" than "well clearly I was born in the wrong body because my body is confusing to me"

You're bullshitting what they're saying just to justify your conclusion

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gunplagirl posted...

CasualGuy posted...

It's a bit less of a stretch for an 8 year old to say and be correct saying "I'm a dude cause I have a penis" than "well clearly I was born in the wrong body because my body is confusing to me"

You're bullshitting what they're saying just to justify your conclusion

So then what specifically do they say?
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CasualGuy posted...

It's a bit less of a stretch for an 8 year old to say and be correct saying "I'm a dude cause I have a penis" than "well clearly I was born in the wrong body because my body is confusing to me"

I get that you don't get it.

That's why there was research done on this.

Most children have a sense of their gender identity by age three, and it has nothing to do with looking down.

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CasualGuy posted...

So then what specifically do they say?

You want specifics for something that can and will heavily vary

It would be most helpful for the discussion if you refrained from raising further questions until earlier ones were answered, thank you

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gunplagirl posted...

Actually if we're doing things in everyone's best interest, make puberty blockers mandatory for everyone so they can be certain of their gender rather than being forced through potentially the wrong one.

You're joking or at worst being sarcastic... right?

At the very least, we should guarantee access to puberty blockers for everyone who IS questioning their gender or thinks it's not the one they had forced on them at birth.

No, because it's very easy for a child to question their gender, or anything else for that matter.

Hey kid, are you sure that you want to be the gender you were born as. Hold on a second, you're a child, you don't have nearly enough life experience to make a major decision such as that! Hey everybody, this child isn't sure they want to be the gender they were born as, we should totally give them puberty blockers! Surely they will never regret this. After all, no adult has ever regretted transitioning, so we can be completely sure that no child ever will, either.

(I'm always sure that if I understand someone else's point of view, surely they will understand the opposite, equally valid point of view. I always make that mistake. I need to understand that people aren't really interested in what's right or true.)

Ok you're just here to constantly pivot and troll.
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closetjpopfan posted...

You're joking or at worst being sarcastic... right?

No, because it's very easy for a child to question their gender, or anything else for that matter.

Hey kid, are you sure that you want to be the gender you were born as. Hold on a second, you're a child, you don't have nearly enough life experience to make a major decision such as that! Hey everybody, this child isn't sure they want to be the gender they were born as, we should totally give them puberty blockers! Surely they will never regret this. After all, no adult has ever regretted transitioning, so we can be completely sure that no child ever will, either.

(I'm always sure that if I understand someone else's point of view, surely they will understand the opposite, equally valid point of view. I always make that mistake. I need to understand that people aren't really interested in what's right or true.)

Thank God there are experts that actually know what they are talking about and transition isn't this child abuse shitshow Internet trolls pretend it is.

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closetjpopfan posted...

Hey kid, are you sure that you want to be the gender you were born as. Hold on a second, you're a child, you don't have nearly enough life experience to make a major decision such as that! Hey everybody, this child isn't sure they want to be the gender they were born as, we should totally give them puberty blockers! Surely they will never regret this. After all, no adult has ever regretted transitioning, so we can be completely sure that no child ever will, either.

Are you realizing how disingenuous you sound? This kind of stuff isn't done without parental consent or without the child's consent, and is almost never done without the involvement of psychologists.

No parent *wants* their child to be transgender to the point of forcing it on them.

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closetjpopfan posted...

You're joking or at worst being sarcastic... right?

No, because it's very easy for a child to question their gender, or anything else for that matter.

Hey kid, are you sure that you want to be the gender you were born as. Hold on a second, you're a child, you don't have nearly enough life experience to make a major decision such as that! Hey everybody, this child isn't sure they want to be the gender they were born as, we should totally give them puberty blockers! Surely they will never regret this. After all, no adult has ever regretted transitioning, so we can be completely sure that no child ever will, either.

(I'm always sure that if I understand someone else's point of view, surely they will understand the opposite, equally valid point of view. I always make that mistake. I need to understand that people aren't really interested in what's right or true.)

No, in this case there's no "opposite, equally valid point of view" there's only one correct answer. You also showed you don't understand what puberty blockers do. The effects are completely reversible, unlike the physical, mental, and emotional costs of enduring the wrong puberty. That you're bringing up people who regretted transitioning without demonstrating any understanding of why that is also is really disturbing. The implications are, at best, that you haven't researched any and thus are unaware of how dishonest it is to leverage then as examples to penalize all transgender people.

I'd be interested in hearing more on why you are so okay with penalizing all transgender youth but not considering a totally safe alternative for them (and all other youth, for that matter).

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CyricZ posted...

No parent *wants* their child to be transgender to the point of forcing it on them.

But that one SJW that time! This proves everything is bunk. Just like how Muchausen by proxy disproves all medicine ever!

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CyricZ posted...

Are you realizing how disingenuous you sound? This kind of stuff isn't done without parental consent or without the child's consent, and is almost never done without the involvement of psychologists.

No parent *wants* their child to be transgender to the point of forcing it on them.

Meanwhile there's plenty of transgender people of all ages who had/ have parents who didn't want trans kids to the point of forcing being cisgender on them.

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hockeybub89 posted...

But that one SJW that time! This proves everything is bunk. Just like how Muchausen by proxy disproves all medicine ever!

But the placebo effect proves all medicine can work in the patient's head, and therefore Schrodinger's apothecary was born.

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gunplagirl posted...

No, in this case there's no "opposite, equally valid point of view" there's only one correct answer. You also showed you don't understand what puberty blockers do. The effects are completely reversible, unlike the physical, mental, and emotional costs of enduring the wrong puberty. That you're bringing up people who regretted transitioning without demonstrating any understanding of why that is also is really disturbing. The implications are, at best, that you haven't researched any and thus are unaware of how dishonest it is to leverage then as examples to penalize all transgender people.

I'd be interested in hearing more on why you are so okay with penalizing all transgender youth but not considering a totally safe alternative for them (and all other youth, for that matter).

And thank you for illustrating my point.

See, you don't argue with people like this. They're not at all interested in what's right or what's best for people or even in the truth at all. They will say whatever it takes to push their point of view, no matter how skewed or biased or just plain ridiculous it is. The sooner you understand that, the better.

closetjpopfan posted...

See, you don't argue with people like this. They're not at all interested in what's right or what's best for people or even in the truth at all. They will say whatever it takes to push their point of view, no matter how skewed or biased or just plain ridiculous it is. The sooner you understand that, the better.

Says the totally good faith actor who responds to one of three people who countered his point and to that one person just basically declares they won.

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closetjpopfan posted...

And thank you for illustrating my point.

See, you don't argue with people like this. They're not at all interested in what's right or what's best for people or even in the truth at all. They will say whatever it takes to push their point of view, no matter how skewed or biased or just plain ridiculous it is. The sooner you understand that, the better.

>be closetjpopfan
>ignore the evidence and science and medically agreed upon process of hormone blockers for trans youth
>admit to playing devil's advocate
>accuse others of not caring about the truth
>ishiggydiggydoo

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shockthemonkey posted...

I love when people take a story about a woman being trans and no one realizing it because she went on puberty blockers and was able to begin her transition earlier than most as an excuse to shitpost about people not knowing theyre trans.

Like, exhibit A that youre wrong is the article youre posting about.

"Sure she's super passable but I believe no trans person should be allowed to pass" is basically what he said.

CyricZ posted...

Says the totally good faith actor who responds to one of three people who countered his point and to that one person just basically declares they won.

It's like the high ground to them, if they say they have the high ground then they don't need anything else to win like... Facts on their side. Or to even have evidence at all. In fact the less evidence they have, the less you can use it against them because they have no argument, just a conclusion that they say is 100% the actual truth.

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CyricZ posted...

Are you realizing how disingenuous you sound? This kind of stuff isn't done without parental consent or without the child's consent, and is almost never done without the involvement of psychologists.

Fuck the child's parents AND the psychologist. Specially fuck the psychologist, and any other "expert" who dares to chime in. Because they have SHIT all to say when a child questions their gender.

Nobody but a physician has anything to say, and the only thing they can say is "this child is healthy" or "this child has a disease, here's the treatment".

Period. End of.

Fucking ridiculous.

I thought this was about FtM transition, but either way first pic is unattractive to me.

closetjpopfan posted...

Fuck the child's parents AND the psychologist. Specially fuck the psychologist, and any other "expert" who dares to chime in. Because they have SHIT all to say when a child questions their gender.

Nobody but a physician has anything to say, and the only thing they can say is "this child is healthy" or "this child has a disease, here's the treatment".

Period. End of.

Fucking ridiculous.

He's descended in to absolute nonsense and incoherent, incomplete trains of thought

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itachi15243 posted...

I dont think anyone under the age of 13 should transition

As far as identifying that is fine. As far as hormones and surgery no way.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

As far as identifying that is fine. As far as hormones and surgery no way.

When do cis kids typically start puberty and would you support delaying them from having a puberty?

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closetjpopfan posted...

Fuck the child's parents AND the psychologist. Specially fuck the psychologist, and any other "expert" who dares to chime in. Because they have SHIT all to say when a child questions their gender.

Nobody but a physician has anything to say, and the only thing they can say is "this child is healthy" or "this child has a disease, here's the treatment".

Period. End of.

Fucking ridiculous.

Thank you for making your stance plain as day.

And screw you for thinking mental conditions don't exist.

Seriously, if we brought in a physician who said "this child should probably see a psychologist about gender dysphoria", I can't imagine you'd trust them either.

So what you're really saying is "Fuck everyone. Only I know what's right."

And at least you're honest now.

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If anyone, including a child, has a mental condition, the doctor will refer them to a psychiatrist.

Anything else is not a mental condition.

If a child has suffered trauma for example, they should be counseled. They don't have to be "treated" for it, because it's not a mental condition.

And even though gender dysphoria in children might be real, no psychologist has the authority to safely diagnose the child as such.

A child who hasn't even gone through puberty isn't qualified to make decisions about something they don't even understand.

Neither does ANYONE else.

Oh she is beautiful.
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closetjpopfan posted...

If anyone, including a child, has a mental condition, the doctor will refer them to a psychiatrist.

Anything else is not a mental condition.

If a child has suffered trauma for example, they should be counseled. They don't have to be "treated" for it, because it's not a mental condition.

And even though gender dysphoria in children might be real, no psychologist has the authority to safely diagnose the child as such.

A child who hasn't even gone through puberty isn't qualified to make decisions about something they don't even understand.

Neither does ANYONE else.

He's saying even more things that aren't correct, fuck he's just making it up as he goes along because he has zero actual knowledge on anything he's saying

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We are such a weird species. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOkdR7on6Ok

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Antifar posted...

FighterStreet2 posted...

"She realized she was trans at the age of 8"

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Children develop their gender identity at a very young age.

But gender is a social construct
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