Current Events > Are conservatives really upset at MtFs competing in women's sports?

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PleaseClap posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

The demographics of sexual orientation and gender identity in the United States have been studied in the social sciences in recent decades. A 2017 Gallup poll concluded that 4.5% of adult Americans identified as LGBT with 5.1% of women identifying as LGBT, compared with 3.9% of men.[1] A different survey in 2016, from the Williams Institute, estimated that 0.6% of U.S. adults identify as transgender.[2]

Which means that there's at least 1.5 million trans adults in the US alone

For one, a self-survey is not a diagnosis. Also, a self-survey can also be easily misled, as they only were able to interview people interested in being interview (meaning those who do the survey are more likely to fit in the category they were after - those who believe they are transgender; those who refused to complete it or refused to release the data are not counted). The study was also only done in 19 states, yet it is claimed to be that they are showing percentages for every state, and only 150,000 people answered the question out of the possible 400,000 who took the survey.
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gunplagirl posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

There are more than just the Olympics in terms of sports. There are at least a few cases of Transgenders competing and coming in the top brackets.

Keep in mind, the total population of people with gender disphoria is 0.002% of the population at best (at most, there are 140,000 people worldwide diagnosed). The total amount of male-to-female is even smaller, and the amount of those who transition is even smaller.

In short, the amount of male-to-female transgender athletes is a very, very, very, very small population. Of the ones who are in the public, most have either come in top placements or win sporting events.

140,000? Yikes, what a fucking joke your post is. I don't like jokes.

Hey, he's only a few orders of magnitude off.
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Just get rid of gender separating in sports. Anyone no matter what gender can join & participate if theyre good enough to place/make the team. Separate But Equal is not truly equal.

When we as a society & individuals move past the concept of genders then thats when well succeed. Thats how were going to win. Not by fighting what we hate, saving what we love.
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gunplagirl posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

There are more than just the Olympics in terms of sports. There are at least a few cases of Transgenders competing and coming in the top brackets.

Keep in mind, the total population of people with gender disphoria is 0.002% of the population at best (at most, there are 140,000 people worldwide diagnosed). The total amount of male-to-female is even smaller, and the amount of those who transition is even smaller.

In short, the amount of male-to-female transgender athletes is a very, very, very, very small population. Of the ones who are in the public, most have either come in top placements or win sporting events.

140,000? Yikes, what a fucking joke your post is. I don't like jokes.

My number is a little off; the number is more like 0.005%. Still only about 320,000.
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Hey @gunplagirl, do you think that only 12-30 trans people live in Portland? Does that seem like a reasonable estimate to you?
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scorpion41 posted...

equality thing liberals are always wanting...

lmfao liberals wanting equality

thats a good one

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ModLogic posted...

scorpion41 posted...

equality thing liberals are always wanting...

lmfao liberals wanting equality

thats a good one

They do; and that's the problem. Equity is the true answer.
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PleaseClap posted...

Hey @gunplagirl, do you think that only 12-30 trans people live in Portland? Does that seem like a reasonable estimate to you?

I've hooked up with at least 20 who live in the Portland area and know of 40 more through Facebook. And that's not even getting into ones not in my social circle's respective circles.

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If they're upset, it's likely because (DON'T @ ME) men are naturally, generally stronger, faster and more physically capable than women. (Again, don't @ me, I am a woman myself.) So to have biological males (trans women) competing with cis women would give the trans women an unfair advantage.

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Annihilated posted...

It's a little thing called "empathy," obviously you wouldn't know anything about it. But it's something that normal functioning adults have.

So how do you know about it?
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MaverickXeo posted...

For one, a self-survey is not a diagnosis. Also, a self-survey can also be easily misled, as they only were able to interview people interested in being interview (meaning those who do the survey are more likely to fit in the category they were after - those who believe they are transgender; those who refused to complete it or refused to release the data are not counted). The study was also only done in 19 states, yet it is claimed to be that they are showing percentages for every state, and only 150,000 people answered the question out of the possible 400,000 who took the survey.

First of all, "transgender" is not a medical diagnosis, it's a personal identity. Second of all, the survey response rate for the study was between 40.5% and 48.7% both figures of which are well within the bounds of the typical response rates for surveys of this scale. You should probably look into taking some basic science literacy courses since you clearly have no idea how data is gathered from research studies.

MaverickXeo posted...

There are more than just the Olympics in terms of sports. There are at least a few cases of Transgenders competing and coming in the top brackets.

and this is what it ultimately comes down to; someone heard of "at least a few cases" of transwomen winning in sports and that has to mean it's a serious problem. of course, they never actually have any data to prove what percentage of sports titles are held by trans athletes, or what percentage of trans athletes are winning events or any other data whatsoever that would actually demonstrate their conclusion, and if someone actually does bring up data, they'll engage in whatever bad science necessary to discredit it. all they know is that have very strong feelings about something and they build their arguments backwards from that conclusion. the only thing they know is that sometimes trans athletes win, and they'd only be satisfied that they never won at all. frankly, most of them would prefer if transgender people didn't exist at all period, but this fight is just one on the way to that goal.
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