Current Events > Local Italian government rules against climate change, immediately flooded after

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/europe/veneto-council-climate-change-floods-trnd-intl-scli/index.html

I don't believe in karma but I can see why some people do

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Italy is a goofy place

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Any place that is Anti Climate deserves whatever happens to them
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I think tool made a song about this sort of thing

It's like raaaaiiin on your wedding day....
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Mass extinction is still very profitable

Some of those amendments were too extreme, but scrapping the bill entirely bit them in the ass. This is what happens when there is no middle ground in environmentalism.
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Hop103 posted...

Some of those amendments were too extreme, but scrapping the bill entirely bit them in the ass. This is what happens when there is no middle ground in environmentalism.

There kind of isn't.

"Can we just fuck up the enviroment a little bit?" isn't middle ground, it's still fucking up the enviroment.

If anything middle ground is the worst of both worlds. Either we care about the future and try and damage control our shit right now or we fuck up our future and burn through our shit for money and industry right now.

Fucking up our future for less money and industry and a ton of headaches means... everyone kinda loses.
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yeah environmentalism is ultimately all or nothing. a controlled demolition is still a demolition

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ThyCorndog posted...

yeah environmentalism is ultimately all or nothing. a controlled demolition is still a demolition

That mentality has caused extensive flooding in Veneto and has caused riots in France, compromise is necessary, we need a balance between business and environmentalism before it's too late.
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Hop103 posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

yeah environmentalism is ultimately all or nothing. a controlled demolition is still a demolition

That mentality has caused extensive flooding in Veneto and has caused riots in France, compromise is necessary, we need a balance between business and environmentalism before it's too late.

Its already too late

And I don't get what you mean by "Balance" you can't "Screw up the enviroment a bit" you either continue to cause intense damage or you don't.
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Imagine living in an already flooded city and voting against climate change measures lol
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Hop103 posted...

That mentality has caused extensive flooding in Veneto and has caused riots in France, compromise is necessary, we need a balance between business and environmentalism before it's too late.

Compromise doesn't result in anything. You cannot halfway save a life.

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Maze_ posted...

Its already too late

And I don't get what you mean by "Balance" you can't "Screw up the enviroment a bit" you either continue to cause intense damage or you don't.

If it's already too late, then why bother?

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shnangyboos posted...

Maze_ posted...

Its already too late

And I don't get what you mean by "Balance" you can't "Screw up the enviroment a bit" you either continue to cause intense damage or you don't.

If it's already too late, then why bother?

it's too late for a balance. if businesses are going to be hurt by action taken against climate change, tough.
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shnangyboos posted...

If it's already too late, then why bother?

To have a slightly wider range of hospital areas while the sea levels rise.

If you're playing the ultimate republican long game, this is a double-edged sword: Yes, the coastal elite will be flooded, but then they'll all move to your area.

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averagejoel posted...

it's too late for a balance. if businesses are going to be hurt by action taken against climate change, tough.

This. We need to have a structured change in society before it drastically changes for us in a few decades.

Venice has always been subject to flooding. A multibillion euro project of movable undersea barriers called MOSE is meant to protect the city from such floods, yet it remains unfinished due to cost overruns and corruption scandals.

Another topic where a bunch of seemingly smart people conflate random weather events with climate change again.
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Which have been increasingly common for some strange reason

https://www.vsointernational.org/news/blog/1-degree-of-separation-how-global-warming-is-impacting-the-poorest-people-on-the-planet

Schadenfreude.
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The Admiral posted...

Another topic where a bunch of seemingly smart people conflate random weather events with climate change again.

Y'know, when I saw you post your take about how the Amazon forest fires couldn't be tied to human activity because forest fires happen naturally sometimes, I was certain you were just intentionally shitposting, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Those "seemingly smart people" who "conflate random weather events with climate change" are the scientists who are studying it, and just typing "climate change effects on extreme weather" and clicking the I'm feeling lucky button would have explained why.

Trying to portray this as an issue of people claiming that floods wouldn't happen if it weren't for global warming shows either an extremely willfully dishonest misrepresentation of the issue, or a comical level of ignorance that would flunk you out of a middle school level science course. The floods currently happening in venice are at the highest level they have been in over 50 years, and the second highest level they have been in the entire history of record-keeping of meteorological events in the nation's history. And even if none of what I just said was the case, even the most galaxy brained of all galaxy brains should be able to understand why people might criticize the decision of a city that sits a few feet above sea level for fighting against legislation intended to mitigate the impacts of climate change.

I really hope you're getting paid for this level of bad faith shitposting, because no one this good at what they do should be working for free.
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The Admiral posted...

Another topic where a bunch of seemingly smart people conflate random weather events with climate change again.

Climate change is real and it's partially man made. The only argument to be made is to what extent it's man made. There's no debate among scientists whether climate change is real or whether or not humans have an effect on it. Climate change is real and we're partly responsible

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LadyVyxx posted...

I think tool made a song about this sort of thing

Learn to swim...
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Why did Italians build a city on the ocean anyway? Seems dumb. Silly Italians.
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Humans are entirely responsible

https://imgur.com/NguDoNr

We observe that radiation from sun to earth has been overall steady or very slightly decreasing over the past five decades, yet the amount of energy reflected from Earth back to space has been decreasing over that same period. In other words, were seeing clear evidence that our atmosphere is becoming more insulating, decade after decade. This change (less and less energy getting from Earth into space) is very clearly increasing every decade, at least since the beginning of the space age.

Regarding the cause of this increasingly insulating atmosphere, a careful look at the space- and ground-based radiation spectra directly shows the increasing influence of carbon dioxide. For example, outgoing radiation (Earth to space) is decreasing especially at CO2 absorption wavelengths. It is an undeniable fact that we are witnessing an increasing greenhouse effect due to increasing CO2.

Regarding the source of the increasing CO2, nearly all of the recently added and continually rising CO2 in our atmosphere has the isotopic signature of burned fossil fuels (as opposed to e.g., volcanoes). This is totally consistent with our collective emissions of about 40 billion tons of CO2 gas per year (and rising), which is way more than what all volcanoes emit (around 0.3-2% of that amount).

Rexdragon125 posted...

Humans are entirely responsible

https://imgur.com/NguDoNr

We observe that radiation from sun to earth has been overall steady or very slightly decreasing over the past five decades, yet the amount of energy reflected from Earth back to space has been decreasing over that same period. In other words, were seeing clear evidence that our atmosphere is becoming more insulating, decade after decade. This change (less and less energy getting from Earth into space) is very clearly increasing every decade, at least since the beginning of the space age.

Regarding the cause of this increasingly insulating atmosphere, a careful look at the space- and ground-based radiation spectra directly shows the increasing influence of carbon dioxide. For example, outgoing radiation (Earth to space) is decreasing especially at CO2 absorption wavelengths. It is an undeniable fact that we are witnessing an increasing greenhouse effect due to increasing CO2.

Regarding the source of the increasing CO2, nearly all of the recently added and continually rising CO2 in our atmosphere has the isotopic signature of burned fossil fuels (as opposed to e.g., volcanoes). This is totally consistent with our collective emissions of about 40 billion tons of CO2 gas per year (and rising), which is way more than what all volcanoes emit (around 0.3-2% of that amount).

good post

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shnangyboos posted...

Maze_ posted...

Its already too late

And I don't get what you mean by "Balance" you can't "Screw up the enviroment a bit" you either continue to cause intense damage or you don't.

If it's already too late, then why bother?

Minimize the damage. As well as save millions if lives just from lowering pollution in general.

if we can stop the gasses in the ocean from rising that would be nice

but you're right in the sense of "not bother " is smarter( well.in the evil sense) than a half measure
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