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Hanky_Bannister
11/11/19 7:27:48 PM
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never played pokemon but from topics on CE I think I understand the premise. Regardless, I dont get the pokedex fiasco.

pls help.
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Xenozoa425
11/11/19 7:31:08 PM
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By this point there are well over 700 avaliable Pokemon since Ultra Sun/Moon, but only 400 or so are going to be in Sword/Shield, many legendaries, starters and fan favorites are not coming, they are deadass not programmed into the game (even though X/Y "future proofed" with HD models and animations that can be ported, but there's a lot of mixed opinions on this), and many attacks are nonexistant because of all the cuts to different Pokemon.

And then Pokemon Home is a future subscription service that may or may not feature the ability to transfer Pokemon in past or future games aside from Sw/Sh. Depends on what Gamefreak, TPC and Nintendo want to do with the next games.

Also:
https://m.imgur.com/t/pokemon/PxH0QA5
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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:42:32 PM
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which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated
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Hanky_Bannister
11/11/19 7:43:48 PM
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is there a reason they removed the other ones?
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Lost_All_Senses
11/11/19 7:43:54 PM
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I see a lot of people buying it because 400 is enough >_>. You'd have to really be down for the cause to catch over 400 Pokemon
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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:46:55 PM
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I don't understand that link
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GeneralKenobi85
11/11/19 7:47:46 PM
#7:


bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated

Not true.

In addition to the dex thing, the game also just generally looks like shit. Pokemon is one of the biggest media franchises ever, if not the biggest. So there's really no excuse for it not to be the highest quality game possible.
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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:48:56 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated

Not true.

In addition to the dex thing, the game also just generally looks like shit. Pokemon is one of the biggest media franchises ever, if not the biggest. So there's really no excuse for it not to be the highest quality game possible.


How is it not true? look at the list of the Pokemon taken out.
The ONLY good arguments anyone has that aren't in the three categories I listed are like, Abra, Scyther, Skarmory, and maybe two or three others.
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Xenozoa425
11/11/19 7:48:59 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated


Stuff like any of the meta starters (Blaziken, Greninja) and then others like the fossil Pokemon (Omanyte, Kabuto, etc), pseudo legendaries (Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp) and various others that see plenty of enjoyment for use like Alakazam, Talonflame, Lycanroc, Luxray, and Zoroark.
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inloveanddeath0
11/11/19 7:49:05 PM
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I was half expecting Nappy stuff

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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:50:35 PM
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Xenozoa425 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated


Stuff like any of the meta starters (Blaziken, Greninja) and then others like the fossil Pokemon (Omanyte, Kabuto, etc), pseudo legendaries (Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp) and various others that see plenty of enjoyment for use like Alakazam, Talonflame, Lycanroc, Luxray, and Zoroark.


You literally just listed a ton of Pokemon in the categories I JUST listed for you.
I'll give you Alakazam, Zoroark, and the fossil pokemon (which, were they any popular other than Kabuto? I love Archeops but I don't think he's anywhere near flagship). And is Luxray actually popular? I don't know the other two because they're after gen 5
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nemu
11/11/19 7:51:41 PM
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This is the first main-line console game, and they chose now of all times to cut out content with some of the flimsiest excuses. They cite extra content, but so far the game sounds like one of the weakest in extra content. I'm 100% sure Gamefreak is just out of their depth rather than it being so hard to produce.
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GeneralKenobi85
11/11/19 7:52:06 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated

Not true.

In addition to the dex thing, the game also just generally looks like shit. Pokemon is one of the biggest media franchises ever, if not the biggest. So there's really no excuse for it not to be the highest quality game possible.


How is it not true? look at the list of the Pokemon taken out.
The ONLY good arguments anyone has that aren't in the three categories I listed are like, Abra, Scyther, and maybe two or three others.

I think you're getting mixed up here by assuming only the Pokemon you like are the ones everyone else likes too. What reason is there to assume that most Pokemon are crap and unlikable? That simply isn't true.
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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:54:04 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated

Not true.

In addition to the dex thing, the game also just generally looks like shit. Pokemon is one of the biggest media franchises ever, if not the biggest. So there's really no excuse for it not to be the highest quality game possible.


How is it not true? look at the list of the Pokemon taken out.
The ONLY good arguments anyone has that aren't in the three categories I listed are like, Abra, Scyther, and maybe two or three others.

I think you're getting mixed up here by assuming only the Pokemon you like are the ones everyone else likes too. What reason is there to assume that most Pokemon are crap and unlikable? That simply isn't true.


No I'm not. at all.
My favorites after the Machop line are like Heracross and Archeops -- neither in the game. Luxray is also a favorite of mine -- not in the game.
Lots that are included that are popular I'm not a fan of.
Quit making wild assumptions. I'm trying to be objective. I just said that 4 of my 5 favorites aren't in the game - but I'm really NOT surprised because i don't see them as being popular
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awesome999
11/11/19 7:54:21 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
I don't understand that link
https://v.redd.it/z4msd6sdx6531/DASH_480

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bobbaaay
11/11/19 7:57:18 PM
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HEY GUESS WHAT?
Golem isn't in the game, either.

WOW - so 5 out of 6 of my favorite non-starter, non-legendary Pokemon.
I'm really defending the decision because they left in the ones I love, huh?!
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Xenozoa425
11/11/19 7:58:52 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
You literally just listed a ton of Pokemon in the categories I JUST listed for you.
I'll give you Alakazam, Zoroark, and the fossil pokemon (which, were they any popular other than Kabuto?). And is Luxray actually popular? I don't know the other two because they're after gen 5

Fossils in general are not that great or popular, but I like Aerodactyl, Cradily and Tyrantrum. Luxray isn't popular as much as say, Flygon, but plenty of people enjoy having one for casual playthroughs. Lycanroc and Talonflame are Gen 7 and 6 respectively.

There's a couple others like Electivire and Magmortar, but most are just nitpicking. I honestly don't have a problem with the cuts, but I'm just not excited for the game in general, I've burnt out on Pokemon games after Gen 6.
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GeneralKenobi85
11/11/19 7:59:48 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
which "fan favorites" are there that aren't legendaries, starters, or a handful of oversaturated competitive Pokemon?
Probably 95% of what was cut was trash nobody cared about anyways like Luvdisc and Nosepass

Stop spreading the lie that it's all 'fan favorites' being eliminated

Not true.

In addition to the dex thing, the game also just generally looks like shit. Pokemon is one of the biggest media franchises ever, if not the biggest. So there's really no excuse for it not to be the highest quality game possible.


How is it not true? look at the list of the Pokemon taken out.
The ONLY good arguments anyone has that aren't in the three categories I listed are like, Abra, Scyther, and maybe two or three others.

I think you're getting mixed up here by assuming only the Pokemon you like are the ones everyone else likes too. What reason is there to assume that most Pokemon are crap and unlikable? That simply isn't true.


No I'm not. at all.
My favorites after the Machop line are like Heracross and Archeops -- neither in the game. Luxray is also a favorite of mine -- not in the game.
Lots that are included that are popular I'm not a fan of.
Quit making wild assumptions. I'm trying to be objective. I just said that 4 of my 5 favorites aren't in the game - but I'm really NOT surprised because i don't see them as being popular

I don't think popularity was incredibly relevant to their choices on what Pokemon to put in the game.

Looking back at your initial post, it seems you've just assumed that the term "fan favorite" applies to only a handful of Pokemon. I think you're probably giving it too strict of a definition. When people are saying "fan favorite" they're potentially referring to the majority of Pokemon.
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bobbaaay
11/11/19 8:00:20 PM
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awesome999 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
I don't understand that link
https://v.redd.it/z4msd6sdx6531/DASH_480

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Okay? Who cares?
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Trickfinger
11/11/19 8:00:39 PM
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pokenerds dont understand that most gamers dont give two fucks about anything past gen 1, let alone gens 2 or 3.
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awesome999
11/11/19 8:04:27 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
Okay? Who cares?


Trickfinger posted...
pokenerds dont understand that most gamers dont give two fucks about anything past gen 1, let alone gens 2 or 3.
Clearly enough people care seeing how the whole of the internet is against what's happening to the franchise

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bobbaaay
11/11/19 8:11:32 PM
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awesome999 posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Okay? Who cares?


Trickfinger posted...
pokenerds dont understand that most gamers dont give two fucks about anything past gen 1, let alone gens 2 or 3.
Clearly enough people care seeing how the whole of the internet is against what's happening to the franchise


They care about the fact that a seagull's wings don't flap.
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awesome999
11/11/19 8:23:03 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
They care about the fact that a seagull's wings don't flap.
kewl
Low effort trolling but I'll respond one last time

It's not just the fact that the wings don't flap, or that half of the dex is missing or the fact that the graphics are shit

It's that the Switch has been gifting us with the best (qualitatively and sales wise) games in their respective franchises. You look at BotW, Odyssey, Smash, 8 Deluxe and many others. Those are first party and Nintendo has always had great first party but the Switch has more than that! It has Witcher and Overwatch and Diablo.

With the Switch's record, Sword and Shield could've been amazing. And we as fans and the Switch as a platfrom deserve much, much better than what we are getting from SS.

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Trickfinger
11/11/19 8:23:20 PM
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awesome999 posted...
Clearly enough people care seeing how the whole of the internet is against what's happening to the franchise

Proof that it's the whole of the internet?
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Goats
11/11/19 8:26:55 PM
#25:


They cut out a bunch of moves and pokemon and I'm exchange we get a Gamecube era looking game instead of something that looks good on the switch.

Then we get excuses like they don't have the manpower to animate everything when pokemon is one of the best selling series in the business smh
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awesome999
11/11/19 8:26:56 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
Proof that it's the whole of the internet?
Just go on r/pokemon or /vp/ and read the general sentiment there.

And you can leave your 'Pokemon trash, muh bro shooter gud' elitist attitude at the door

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Trickfinger
11/11/19 8:35:06 PM
#27:


awesome999 posted...
Just go on r/pokemon or /vp/ and read the general sentiment there.

lol a couple message boards (one specifically for pokenerds) is the whole of the internet?

spare me
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Goats
11/11/19 8:37:21 PM
#28:


Trickfinger posted...
awesome999 posted...
Just go on r/pokemon or /vp/ and read the general sentiment there.

lol a couple message boards (one specifically for pokenerds) is the whole of the internet?

spare me


reddit p much eclipses the population of all other message boards combined centiscorch
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Trickfinger
11/11/19 8:38:29 PM
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Goats posted...
Trickfinger posted...
awesome999 posted...
Just go on r/pokemon or /vp/ and read the general sentiment there.

lol a couple message boards (one specifically for pokenerds) is the whole of the internet?

spare me


reddit p much eclipses the population of all other message boards combined centiscorch

and he mentioned one specific subreddit. the one for pokenerds.

and reddit in general is mostly for nerds. the average person posts on social media sites, not message board sites.
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HiddenRoar
11/11/19 9:11:44 PM
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Remember when they made the commercial "Story of Pokemon Rescue" a year ago, about restoring the battery on the GBC Gold and Silver cartridge games so that folks could enjoy their old Pokemon again?

Guess one gen later, they do a 180 and keep you from enjoying those pokes.
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Hanky_Bannister
11/11/19 9:18:48 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
I see a lot of people buying it because 400 is enough >_>. You'd have to really be down for the cause to catch over 400 Pokemon

yeah, it is hard to catch each of them?

how much time does it take for each one?
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uwnim
11/11/19 9:23:27 PM
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Even worse than the cut Pokemon is the fact they cut moves.

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Trickfinger
11/11/19 9:25:18 PM
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This is what gamers get for accepting all of this nonsense up until this point. You supported all of these nickel-and-dime dev practices of releasing incomplete games so you deserve all of this lol
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HiddenRoar
11/11/19 11:10:36 PM
#34:


Trickfinger posted...
This is what gamers get for accepting all of this nonsense up until this point. You supported all of these nickel-and-dime dev practices of releasing incomplete games so you deserve all of this lol


??
How is USUM incomplete?
You could transfer all Pokemon available up to that point (~720)
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Trickfinger
11/12/19 12:07:24 AM
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HiddenRoar posted...
How is USUM incomplete?

referring to games as a whole
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