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Duncanwii
11/10/19 4:00:52 PM
#53:


Chicken_Butt posted...
No, it doesn't make sense, you massive apologist. What a terrible point of view. If you, as a trainer, are skilled enough to weaken and capture a Pokemon, you should be able to. If you're worried that would break the game, bear in mind a player who is able to capture Pokemon at that level is likely going to steamroll a gym at that level too.
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.

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Umbreon
11/10/19 4:02:37 PM
#54:


Pokemon games are easy because we're no longer fucking 10.
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gunplagirl
11/10/19 4:02:41 PM
#55:


CM_Ponch posted...
Those are due to NDAs, streamer never signed an NDA


Check the TOS for the site

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Chicken_Butt
11/10/19 4:03:33 PM
#56:


Duncanwii posted...
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.

That much we agree on. But I don't think limiting gameplay in this fashion is the solution, it denies players the possibility of reward for their extra efforts.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
11/10/19 4:05:02 PM
#57:


Duncanwii posted...
Chicken_Butt posted...
No, it doesn't make sense, you massive apologist. What a terrible point of view. If you, as a trainer, are skilled enough to weaken and capture a Pokemon, you should be able to. If you're worried that would break the game, bear in mind a player who is able to capture Pokemon at that level is likely going to steamroll a gym at that level too.
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.


That is bullshit. I play competitively and I want nothing more than a more difficult main line Pokemon game. The way to do that is to make the trainers have better move sets and better AI, not to make it impossible to catch NORMAL POKEMON. That is the worst argument I have ever seen for this kind of change.
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PiOverlord
11/10/19 4:06:48 PM
#58:


Duncanwii posted...
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.
Idk, maybe giving the trainer a.i. more intelligence with strategies would make the game harder. I noticed Kahili in Sun actually would set up spikes with her lead and constantly try to confuse you. Going a step further by allowing them to switch out when needed and not try to confuse you again after you are already confused would help as well.

If you want to go even a step further, making the level of the E4 about on par with your level, and perhaps limiting the number of items you can use would make them harder too.

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CM_Ponch
11/10/19 4:07:24 PM
#59:


Duncanwii posted...
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd b**** that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.
No, people in this topic have already provided better solutions. Do you really not have an identity outside of pokemon that you view criticisms as an personal attack

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Umbreon
11/10/19 4:15:40 PM
#60:


No one has ever complained about being able to catch an overpowered Pokemon early. Something you can do in multiple games.

If the community complains about something, it's usually a stupid change. Like how in the Colosseum games you could capture a (Shadow) Pokemon when two Pokemon were on the field, but in gen 4 that's suddenly impossible.
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Makeveli_lives
11/10/19 4:16:33 PM
#61:


The stream was taken down
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Duncanwii
11/10/19 4:18:18 PM
#62:


Umbreon posted...
If the community complains about something, it's usually a stupid change. Like how in the Colosseum games you could capture a (Shadow) Pokemon when two Pokemon were on the field, but in gen 4 that's suddenly impossible.
Tbf Colosseum and XD were made by Genius Sonority not Gamefreak.

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REMercsChamp
11/10/19 4:20:01 PM
#63:


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Umbreon
11/10/19 4:23:00 PM
#64:


Duncanwii posted...
Umbreon posted...
If the community complains about something, it's usually a stupid change. Like how in the Colosseum games you could capture a (Shadow) Pokemon when two Pokemon were on the field, but in gen 4 that's suddenly impossible.
Tbf Colosseum and XD were made by Genius Sonority not Gamefreak.


True, but they honestly should have taken that cue from them.

Instead you're forced to knock out the other Pokemon first(Or all but one in hoarding battles). Problem is that you're either with an AI partner who you can't tell to not attack the Pokemon you capture, or the hoard can accidentally or intentionally ko the Pokemon you want to capture before you take the rest of the out.

Imagine finding a shiny Zangoose, only to lose it because the Servipers kill it before you can kill all four of them.
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Alucard188
11/10/19 4:25:04 PM
#65:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
That is bullshit. I play competitively and I want nothing more than a more difficult main line Pokemon game. The way to do that is to make the trainers have better move sets and better AI, not to make it impossible to catch NORMAL POKEMON. That is the worst argument I have ever seen for this kind of change.


Exactly. If you want to make the game more difficult, make it so trainers actually are like trainers, and not just a vehicle for you to gain XP and Zenny. Give them real movesets and an ability to use them effectively. Yes, I'm certain using Tailwhip three times in a row is a completely effective way to beat someone. It's like Marin Karin spam by Mitsuru.

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pegusus123456
11/10/19 4:31:57 PM
#66:


For people talking about difficulty, I found this on a reddit post talking about this same stream:
Automatic XP share is insane. The streamer is using nothing but their starter and yet the whole team is almost level 20 after a few hours of play. The streamer's team significantly outlevels every single trainer they face, including named antagonists. The games look about as easy as they ever have.


The same post also had a comment which confirms that catching Pokemon is badge related. The first badge only lets you catch up to level 20 (or 25, one comment corrected, but I'm not sure if that's right).
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KogaSteelfang
11/10/19 4:42:29 PM
#67:


Duncanwii posted...
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.
The entire premise of the game is to catch Pokemon though. People that want more challenging battles know using high level Pokemon would make things easier, but removing the option of even catching them to begin with is dumb. You don't have to use it just because you have it, and the fact that it appears for capture just to deny you the option is stupid.

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ImCallingYouOut
11/10/19 4:48:45 PM
#68:


lmfao Duncan would defend pokemon even if the new game just gave you a massive middle finger and nothing else for $60

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PleaseClap
11/10/19 6:39:19 PM
#69:


What's the point of making a pokemon show up in the wild if you're not going to let players catch it

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PleaseClap
11/10/19 6:44:28 PM
#70:


And since XP share is always on now, I find it hard to buy the "gamefreak is worried about making the game too easy" line

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KeeperOfShadows
11/10/19 7:09:01 PM
#71:


It's actually only supposed to happen in specific areas. Part of a feature called wild areas that they revealed months ago.
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PowerOats
11/10/19 7:14:07 PM
#72:


bring back genius sorority

Colosseum was actually good.
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KogaSteelfang
11/10/19 7:15:01 PM
#73:


KeeperOfShadows posted...
It's actually only supposed to happen in specific areas. Part of a feature called wild areas that they revealed months ago.
That's a little better, but still sucks knowing you'll be missing out on what's available for no real reason.

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BLAKUboy
11/10/19 7:21:08 PM
#74:


KeeperOfShadows posted...
It's actually only supposed to happen in specific areas. Part of a feature called wild areas that they revealed months ago.

I haven't been thoroughly keeping up with these games since I was turned off pretty early on, but isn't the "wild areas" thing the entire wild?
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Dark_SilverX
11/10/19 7:25:40 PM
#75:


PowerOats posted...
Imagine if you came across a shiny and it said that

They should've gotten rid of Shinies in this game.
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masterpug53
11/10/19 7:40:03 PM
#76:


Dark_SilverX posted...
PowerOats posted...
Imagine if you came across a shiny and it said that

They should've gotten rid of Shinies in this game.


Why stop there? I'm sure GF no longer has the manpower to painstakingly illustrate hundreds of item sprites. So long Leftovers!
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Neoconkers
11/10/19 7:46:32 PM
#77:


Duncanwii posted...
Chicken_Butt posted...
No, it doesn't make sense, you massive apologist. What a terrible point of view. If you, as a trainer, are skilled enough to weaken and capture a Pokemon, you should be able to. If you're worried that would break the game, bear in mind a player who is able to capture Pokemon at that level is likely going to steamroll a gym at that level too.
People already complain that the games are too easy. They'd bitch that being able to catch Pokemon ten levels higher than the surrounding areas would trivialize the game because Gamefreak can't win. They do one thing fans are angry, they try to fix it fans are angry again. Its like trying to solve a puzzle with no answer.

the key reason I've seen people complaining about the game being too easy is that you just get given an Exp All right at the start of the game and end up overlevelled regardless of how you play. So to counteract that they've removed your ability to catch high levelled pokemon, and made it impossible to switch the Exp All off?
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KeeperOfShadows
11/10/19 7:49:24 PM
#78:


BLAKUboy posted...
KeeperOfShadows posted...
It's actually only supposed to happen in specific areas. Part of a feature called wild areas that they revealed months ago.

I haven't been thoroughly keeping up with these games since I was turned off pretty early on, but isn't the "wild areas" thing the entire wild?


I don't know much about it myself, other than it's an area(s) in the game that has an open world element to it.
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AlisLandale
11/10/19 7:52:31 PM
#79:


This is stupid. Why even let you encounter it then?

a high risk should entail a high reward. If we can take this picture at face value, this kind of bullshit is the kind of brain dead decision that will kill the last shred of interest I might have had in this game. >_>

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KlownArt
11/10/19 8:06:35 PM
#80:


AlisLandale posted...
This is stupid. Why even let you encounter it then?


This is my mindset on it. I don't even really mind it if there is a gym to fight and the player is kinda going out of their way to skip it. At worst you just go back to the gym and fight the gym and move on. I'm not sure if that was the issue though. Seems weird that it can happen so easily.

If it's just in the Wild Areas, then I'm still unsure. I'll need to play the game to understand how those areas work.
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AlCalavicci
11/10/19 8:21:18 PM
#81:


This game sounds like a shit show

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Tyranthraxus
11/10/19 8:23:06 PM
#82:


Imagine you beat down a shiny only to be told you can't capture it.

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Irony
11/10/19 8:33:24 PM
#84:


Game Freak no longer needs to exist
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Crazyman93
11/10/19 8:33:44 PM
#85:


Duncanwii posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
There's a guy streaming the game right now
That's illegal.

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WerewolfPaws
11/10/19 8:34:49 PM
#86:


Seems more realistic and challenging this way. Im happy w it.
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11/10/19 10:44:46 PM
#87:


Looks to me like only great balls or higher will catch those levels. I think people are overreacting

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MegaCamerupt
11/10/19 11:11:25 PM
#88:


the best jrpg in the current generation (persona 5) doesn't let you recruit higher leveled personas at all unless you get a specific skill mid-to-late game. there are plenty of things that makes swsh bad but this isn't one of them.
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YokoGeri
11/10/19 11:12:49 PM
#89:


SwSh is the fallout76 of pokemon
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LadyVyxx
11/10/19 11:13:26 PM
#90:


Duncanwii posted...
That's illegal.


Lol
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ThanksUglyGod
11/10/19 11:30:20 PM
#91:


Isn't the whole point of weakening it in the first place to make it drops its guard?

Do they not even understand how their world works?
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Delirious_Beard
11/10/19 11:36:36 PM
#92:


pegusus123456 posted...
For people talking about difficulty, I found this on a reddit post talking about this same stream:
Automatic XP share is insane. The streamer is using nothing but their starter and yet the whole team is almost level 20 after a few hours of play. The streamer's team significantly outlevels every single trainer they face, including named antagonists. The games look about as easy as they ever have.


The same post also had a comment which confirms that catching Pokemon is badge related. The first badge only lets you catch up to level 20 (or 25, one comment corrected, but I'm not sure if that's right).


apparently you also can't turn off the XP share

i think it's time for Game Freak to go away
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jumi
11/10/19 11:49:57 PM
#93:


I wasn't down on Sw/Sh before this, but... wow. What an absolute shitshow.

Imagine:

player: *meets shiny* Wow, gonna catch it!
game: It won't let it's guard down!
player: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

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LadyVyxx
11/11/19 12:00:07 AM
#94:


jumi posted...
I wasn't down on Sw/Sh before this, but... wow. What an absolute shitshow.

Imagine:

player: *meets shiny* Wow, gonna catch it!
game: It won't let it's guard down!
player: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU


Honestly that game would hit the garbage bin so fucking fast if this is actually the case because shiny hunting is half the reason I play pokemon games these days if I play at all
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AlisLandale
11/11/19 12:38:48 AM
#95:


MegaCamerupt posted...
the best jrpg in the current generation (persona 5) doesn't let you recruit higher leveled personas at all unless you get a specific skill mid-to-late game. there are plenty of things that makes swsh bad but this isn't one of them.


eh. In Persona this is more of a level check than an attempt at balance. Oh wow, Personas in this area are too strong for me to recruit. Guess Im underleveled

if Persona let you freely explore any of the dungeons then it would be pretty dumb to keep that restriction.

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CM_Ponch
11/11/19 2:26:08 AM
#96:


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MudKip_Master
11/11/19 2:27:46 AM
#97:


Do you need to give it a status ailment now,?
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