Current Events > So #Dexit is going to go beyond Pokemon Sword/Shield

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According to a Dutch interview:

https://www.insidegamer.nl/artikel/in-gesprek-met-ohmori-en-masuda-over-pokemon-sword-en-shield/

The missing National Dex is of course also discussed, of which we mainly want to know whether it will return in the future. Will there be an update or a third game? According to Masuda, Game Freak wants to continue the approach for Sword and Shield:

We now have no plans to make the pokmon that are missing in the Galar pokdex in-game available. That is an approach that we want to continue with Pokmon games in the future. Of course, up to now it has not been possible to encounter every pokmon in every game, so people had to transfer it from old games via Pokmon Bank to the new game, for example.

On the one hand, that is understandable, because Masuda previously indicated that Game Freak does not have the manpower to animate all pokmon if it also wants to introduce new game play features. On the other hand, Pokmon is pretty much the largest franchise in the world and it is not unreasonable to expect a complete Pokdex from the new parts. As a compromise, however, Junichi Masuda claims that the Pokmon Home app, which will be released in 2020, will be the place to collect pokmon from all games.

"Currently, the Pokmon Home app is under development, where players can collect their different pokmon, and only pokmon in the Galar-Pokdex can be transferred from there to Sword and Shield," he says. "But the way of playing is actually not very different from before with Pokmon Bank: until now you have always been able to meet only the pokmon of a certain region."

He continues: We encourage people to use Pokmon Home to collect their pokmon from old games there. From there, they might be able to take it to other games in the future. So take good care of your old pokmon, because you might be able to go out with them again in the future.

"You can pay us to store your beloved pokemon on the off chance that we maybe put them in the next game that you may not buy because we're always on our bullshit"
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Yes, it's a fucking shitshow. If they're actually charging us for at least even the storage part of Pokemon Home, this will be an absolute daylight robbery. You're paying for a service on the incredibly slim chance you'll be able to use that Pokemon in a future game.

Considering they haven't put any starters or legendaries in SwSh except the natives and the fucking Charizard line, most likely that sort of trend continues, and it's possible some Pokemon will absolutely never be usable again.

What about the Alolan forms? When will they ever possibly come back? You'll basically never be able to use guys like Alolan Marowak... ever. I guess until a Sun/Moon remake? How fucking long will that take lmfao

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Pokemon Home being their solution is fucking bullshit. People like bringing up their older Pokemon to modern games so they can keep playing with them. A glorified phone app of Pokemon Box with a Pokedex attached to it isn't a replacement for actually using them in-game.
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Also, from the same interview about the EXP Share being permanent:

Those who have it turned off want to train one specific Pokemon. We thought: is there a way to achieve that? There is, simply by putting the rest of your Pokmon in the PC.
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They're one step away from telling fans to go fuck themselves
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ZMythos posted...

Masuda previously indicated that Game Freak does not have the manpower to animate all pokmon if it also wants to introduce new game play features.

What fucking new gameplay features lol. Cooking curry? Man, yeah that must've been rough designing those different food models.

But seriously, I'm sure he's alluding to dynamax. But idk, here's a thought, maybe, just MAYBE if you have to remove features that fans like, maybe replace them with new ones that fans actually asked for, and not half-assed fluff that doesn't really add much.
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ZMythos posted...

Also, from the same interview about the EXP Share being permanent:

Those who have it turned off want to train one specific Pokemon. We thought: is there a way to achieve that? There is, simply by putting the rest of your Pokmon in the PC.

Holy shit, that's hilarious. That's exactly what I would say if I wanted to troll people.

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Guide posted...

Holy shit, that's hilarious. That's exactly what I would say if I wanted to troll people.

Yep.

I mean, you can access your box anywhere like GO, but it's a fucking waste of time to do so.

And if your solo-leveling and that mon faints, you're Shit Outta Luck
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They just stopped giving a fuck. God I want the game to bomb hard
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ZMythos posted...

On the one hand, that is understandable, because Masuda previously indicated that Game Freak does not have the manpower to animate all pokmon

So then hire people to do it, you lazy fucking hacks. Pokemon is literally one of the biggest and lucrative IPs in not only gaming but entertainment as a fucking whole, there is ZERO excuse for them not having the manpower to animate all of the Pokemon THEY created.
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Yeah, I already preloaded the game a while back before the shit hit the fan, but it's looking like Sword/Shield may be my last game for this series. I don't want to reward Game Freak for this bullshit anymore.

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ZombiePelican posted...

So then hire people to do it, you lazy fucking hacks. Pokemon is literally one of the biggest and lucrative IPs in not only gaming but entertainment as a fucking whole, there is ZERO excuse for them not having the manpower to animate all of the Pokemon THEY created.

But they need ONE HUNDRED CURRY RECIPES
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Wait there's really more curry recipes than new pokemon?
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ZombiePelican posted...

ZMythos posted...

On the one hand, that is understandable, because Masuda previously indicated that Game Freak does not have the manpower to animate all pokmon

So then hire people to do it, you lazy fucking hacks. Pokemon is literally one of the biggest and lucrative IPs in not only gaming but entertainment as a fucking whole, there is ZERO excuse for them not having the manpower to animate all of the Pokemon THEY created.

Masuda is lying. They already have models for all the previous 809 Pokmon plus their alternative forms.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Yeah, I already preloaded the game a while back before the shit hit the fan, but it's looking like Sword/Shield may be my last game for this series. I don't want to reward Game Freak for this bullshit anymore.

Then you should have stopped at X and Y because that was the last serviceable effort they put in.

https://i.imgur.com/vyTevx0.jpg
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We've known this, it was one of the first things Masuda said about the decision

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ViewtifulGrave posted...

Masuda is lying. They already have models for all the previous 809 Pokmon plus their alternative forms.

And there is also no evidence that any of the returning Pokemon have new animations outside of the new gimmick (with plenty of evidence that the returning Pokemon are using identical animations). I believe the textures are updated though.

In fact, there are tons of decent Pokemon animations that are already made but haven't been used for battle. They are just used for that dumbass petting mode.
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I've thought about canceling my pre-order for Sword, but 2 things stop me: The price point ($65 CAD as opposed to $80), and that Walmart is behind the times when it comes to online shopping. You can't cancel any individual items in an order, and if one part of the order ships, you can no longer cancel that order. I personally think that the Pokedex is too fucking massive anyways, so I welcome not having every single mon in there. Not a fan of the flippancy displayed in crafting solutions to people's problems, nor with creating a problem and charging for the solution, as this Pokemon Home app looks to be tailored for.

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It's entirely possible that they simply can't fit every model in given the RAM constraints, but that's just them being unwilling to put resources into figuring out how to work with the Switch.

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No it's just them being lazy fucks
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Alucard188 posted...

. I personally think that the Pokedex is too f***ing massive anyways, so I welcome not having every single mon in there.

I don't understand this mindset. Catching all the pokemon and filling the dex was always optional, why were people bothered by the amount of pokemon

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Jabodie posted...

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Masuda is lying. They already have models for all the previous 809 Pokmon plus their alternative forms.

And there is also no evidence that any of the returning Pokemon have new animations outside of the new gimmick (with plenty of evidence that the returning Pokemon are using identical animations). I believe the textures are updated though.

In fact, there are tons of decent Pokemon animations that are already made but haven't been used for battle. They are just used for that dumbass petting mode.

You'll be hard pressed to find a dev team more lazy and incompetent than Game Freak aside from maybe Bethesda, but that's more sheer incompetence than laziness which is clearly the case here with Sword and Shield.

It's just the fact they keep trying to portray themselves some struggling indie studio barely keeping the light bill paid instead of a dev team owned by one of the biggest companies in gaming as well as owning one of the biggest and most lucrative IPs in entertainment today not just gaming angers me to no end, get fucked with your excuses Masuda
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CM_Ponch posted...

I don't understand this mindset. Catching all the pokemon and filling the dex was always optional, why were people bothered by the amount of pokemon

I don't understand this mindset. Why do people need 900 Pokemon in a game when they're always bitching about how boring and stupid new ones look?

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CM_Ponch posted...

Alucard188 posted...

. I personally think that the Pokedex is too f***ing massive anyways, so I welcome not having every single mon in there.

I don't understand this mindset. Catching all the pokemon and filling the dex was always optional, why were people bothered by the amount of pokemon

People just HAVE to bend over backwards to defend the laziness of a company holding an IP worth BILLIONS because nostalgia
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Yeah there's really no excuse for this

Fuck gamefreak

ZMythos posted...

Also, from the same interview about the EXP Share being permanent:

Those who have it turned off want to train one specific Pokemon. We thought: is there a way to achieve that? There is, simply by putting the rest of your Pokmon in the PC.

It is like they want people to hate them. Like what was so difficult about the old Exp Share system?

I feel like during the development process Game Freak has a stack of cards that have features from the previous game. They shuffle the cards draw 5 of them and then cut those features.

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ZombiePelican posted...

People just HAVE to bend over backwards to defend the laziness of a company holding an IP worth BILLIONS because nostalgia

*shrugs*

I'm not bending backwards to defend anything, so keep your premeditated indignation out of it. The Pokedex is bloated, so I welcome not having every Pokemon available in the game. I'm more annoyed at the permanent XP share and the flippant attitude expressed by Gamefreak than I am the Pokedex.

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Alucard188 posted...

I don't understand this mindset. Why do people need 900 Pokemon in a game when they're always bitching about how boring and stupid new ones look?

Because for the last 20 years Pokemon has had all your favorites available. Sometimes you had to beat the game first or transfer them. But if you wanted to use a Scyther, you could use a Scyther. And I'm sure every Pokemon is someone's favorite.

Then suddenly you can't. And it wasn't like a light pruning either. A lot of very popular Pokemon got slashed.

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Alucard188 posted...

I don't understand this mindset. Why do people need 900 Pokemon in a game when they're always bitching about how boring and stupid new ones look?

Even with your horrible defense, a majority of old pokemon are the ones cut

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We got fucking Garbodor Vanilluxe Stunfisk Sawk Throh Delibird and Qwilfish over popular pokemon
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Compsognathus posted...

Because for the last 20 years Pokemon has had all your favorites available. Sometimes you had to beat the game first or transfer them. But if you wanted to use a Scyther, you could use a Scyther. And I'm sure every Pokemon is someone's favorite.

Then suddenly you can't. And it wasn't like a light pruning either. A lot of very popular Pokemon got slashed.

Yup, which is why I'm not being indignant about why people are upset about the decision. People have favourites that they use. I like Gengar. I've used him every game I've played. I'd probably be disappointed if he weren't in the game, but it wouldn't affect my feelings about it. I'm just tired of all the indignation and toxicity surrounding gaming culture right now. There's always something to be pissed off about.

Also, imagine being condescending in describing why people are upset. I know why people are upset; I just don't care about it as much as they do.

CM_Ponch posted...

Even with your horrible defense, a majority of old pokemon are the ones cut

I know it's a horrible defense, but I was using your wording to highlight how annoying your argument is. People enjoy Pokemon different ways, and if some think that the Pokedex is too big, then that's for them to deal with. I've dealt with it by paying almost no attention to it; I just get what Pokemon I want and go. That's why I'm not bothered by the horrible pruning.

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Bluebomber182 posted...

Stunfisk

Stunfisk is actually really popular in Japan

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Oh and Maractus

FUCKING MARACTUS
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I wouldn't be too upset about Dexit if the games themselves were really improved over the last entries in the content department.

Leaks are implying that the post-game is only 1-2 hour quest and a Battle Tower. Assuming it's true, that's a pass from me.
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Alucard188 posted...

Yup, which is why I'm not being indignant about why people are upset about the decision. People have favourites that they use. I like Gengar. I've used him every game I've played. I'd probably be disappointed if he weren't in the game, but it wouldn't affect my feelings about it. I'm just tired of all the indignation and toxicity surrounding gaming culture right now. There's always something to be pissed off about.

Also, imagine being condescending in describing why people are upset. I know why people are upset; I just don't care about it as much as they do.

That wasn't intended to be condescending. You said you didn't understand the mindset of people wanting all the Pokemon. I was providing what I thought was fairly tone-neutral response.

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On one hand it's annoying but then on the other it'll probably force me to get to know the new pokemon instead of relying on a team from the OG 150 like I have done for the last 20 years. It's all just a vocal minority though more than likely. I still expect the game to sell extremely well. Internet gonna internet.
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TableFlip posted...

I wouldn't be too upset about Dexit if the games themselves were really improved over the last entries in the content department.

Leaks are implying that the post-game is only 1-2 hour quest and a Battle Tower. Assuming it's true, that's a pass from me.

I haven't played a mainline game to completion in some time. How robust have the post-games been? The only one I know of for sure is when Gen 2 stuffed Gen 1 into its post-game. That was pretty impressive for a Game Boy game released 25 years ago. Imagine going from that to a little 2 hour quest and something that's usually unlocked 1/3 of the way through the game.

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Alucard188 posted...

Also, imagine being condescending in describing why people are upset.

There was nothing condescending in that post.
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Alucard188 posted...

TableFlip posted...

I wouldn't be too upset about Dexit if the games themselves were really improved over the last entries in the content department.

Leaks are implying that the post-game is only 1-2 hour quest and a Battle Tower. Assuming it's true, that's a pass from me.

I haven't played a mainline game to completion in some time. How robust have the post-games been? The only one I know of for sure is when Gen 2 stuffed Gen 1 into its post-game. That was pretty impressive for a Game Boy game released 25 years ago. Imagine going from that to a little 2 hour quest and something that's usually unlocked 1/3 of the way through the game.

Disregarding things like completing the Pokedex and minor changes, from what I've played...

*Yellow had a post-game dungeon through Cerulean Cave.
*Crystal had Kanto and the Battle Tower. Likely forgetting some things there.
*Emerald had the Battle Frontier, essentially 7 different Battle Towers, each with their own game-mode of sorts. There were also randomly expanded areas throughout the game you could explore.
*Fire Red/Leaf Green had Cerulean Cave you could revisit and a sort of semi-campaign spread throughout 7 islands. There was also the Trainer Tower, a sort of weird, half-baked spin on the Battle Tower that nobody never mentions.
*Platinum had a different Battle Frontier, essentially 5 different Battle Towers like Emerald. There was also a new, reasonably sized island to explore with its own questlines.
*Heart Gold/Soul Silver has Platinum's Battle Frontier alongside Kanto. There's also a myriad of miscellaneous stuff you could do in that game.
*Black/White had a fraction of its region you could explore alongside a battle facility suited to your ingame team where you could level up. There was also the Battle Subway, a reskinned Battle Tower.
*Black 2/White 2 had everything Black/White did with the addition of the Pokemon World Tournament, a vicinity where you battle every gym leader/champion in the games up to that point. It was a combination of that and a Battle Tower.
*X/Y had a 1-2 hour questline alongside a new town with the Battle Chateau, a reskinned Battle Tower.
*Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire had a new, 1-town-sized island to explore with the Battle Chateau. There was also a 1-2 hour questline you needed to do before gaining access. Additionally, you could also catch the majority of legendary Pokemon from past games up to that point.
*Sun/Moon had a 1-2 hour questline with the Battle Tree, a combination of the Battle Tower and the PWT from Black 2/White 2. There were also a few new routes to explore, and you could defend your status as the Pokemon League champion by fighting NPCs after beating the Elite Four again.
*Haven't played Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon enough to summarize it, but there's a little bit more content. You could also hunt past legendary Pokemon like Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire.
*Same with Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee.

tl;dr - Generally, for the definitive versions of Pokemon games, there's a sizeable post-game. I would not be surprised if Sword/Shield got a definitive version like Sun/Moon.
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TableFlip posted...

tl;dr - Generally, for the definitive versions of Pokemon games, there's a sizeable post-game. I would not be surprised if Sword/Shield got a definitive version like Sun/Moon.

Probably make it monarchy themed to fit the UK vibe.

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ZMythos posted...

Also, from the same interview about the EXP Share being permanent:

Those who have it turned off want to train one specific Pokemon. We thought: is there a way to achieve that? There is, simply by putting the rest of your Pokmon in the PC.

Okay if there was any chance I was on the fence with this game this convinced me that I will NOT enjoy playing it.

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We encourage people to use Pokmon Home to collect their pokmon from old games there. From there, they might be able to take it to other games in the future. So take good care of your old pokmon, because you might be able to go out with them again in the future.

Holy fuck

Do they not have a fucking PR team?

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They don't need one. They'll still make billions of dollars on the games, and on the next one, and the one after, etc.
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It's not unfeasible that GF's 'fuck you you'll buy it anyway' attitude actually bites them hard in the ass here; consumers and fanbases do have the potential to push back hard enough to make a dent when pressured to this degree. I sincerely hope it happens.
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ZMythos posted...

Also, from the same interview about the EXP Share being permanent:

Those who have it turned off want to train one specific Pokemon. We thought: is there a way to achieve that? There is, simply by putting the rest of your Pokmon in the PC.

-_-
...imma solo shield...

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It's cynical but there's a less than 1% chance that anything changes, probably 0% chance that sales are affected enough for anyone at TPC, Game Freak, Nintendo, etc. to pay attention to it. I mean these interview responses speak for themselves.

Live long enough to become the villain or whatever.

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Alucard188 posted...

I know it's a horrible defense, but I was using your wording to highlight how annoying your argument is. People enjoy Pokemon different ways, and if some think that the Pokedex is too big, then that's for them to deal with. I've dealt with it by paying almost no attention to it; I just get what Pokemon I want and go. That's why I'm not bothered by the horrible pruning.

How is it annoying argument that you don't care about something that affects everyone else? The Pokedex was something optional and you didn't like it so you have no issue with it being cut even if screws over people who do care vs you just not worrying about the pokemon you don't care for?

Ignoring that you use the defense of "people don't like new pokemon" even though a majority of popular Pokmon from every Gen got cut including the starters?

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masterpug53 posted...


Can you give some past examples where this has happened? Outside of a vocal minority I don't see this being an issue.

You also say "to this degree" I've not see anything here I've not heard in the past for other games to make me think it will turn out any differently.

If I've missed something or you have some insider knowledge please do share.
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