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joe40001 11/09/19 6:22:46 PM #51: |
hockeybub89 posted...
joe40001 posted...hockeybub89 posted...It's weird when people say that words are meaningless but also say that violence is never acceptable. If violence is always wrong and words mean nothing, then what? Everyone just needs to ignore and suppress bullying and verbal abuse? Some people are equating them or even putting the words as worse pretty strongly. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/09/19 6:23:55 PM #52: |
joe40001 posted...
No I'm saying legally you can't incite or call to violence. The two legal prongs that constitute incitement of imminent lawless action are as follows: Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/09/19 6:26:22 PM #53: |
joe40001 posted...
Some people are equating them or even putting the words as worse pretty strongly. Saying "they're different things" isn't the same as saying "one is worse or better". You're on the internet, "you know what I mean" really doesn't apply. They are different things; one isn't always worse than the other. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 11/09/19 6:27:14 PM #54: |
You should only punch someone if you feel it's necessary to defend yourself. Usually that means you should only punch someone if they punch you first, but a jury would probably overturn it if you got arrested for punching someone after they were in your face insulting you.
Also someone punching you does not give you the right the beat the crap out if them or hit them after they're already down. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/09/19 6:27:33 PM #55: |
Comfy_Pillow posted...
That weak ass line of insults is all it would take for you to justify physical assault? Imagine listening to randoms on CoD. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Comfy_Pillow 11/09/19 6:28:30 PM #56: |
Guide posted...
Comfy_Pillow posted...That weak ass line of insults is all it would take for you to justify physical assault? Imagine listening to them and becoming so irate you'd go to jail if you saw them irl lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/09/19 6:29:24 PM #57: |
Comfy_Pillow posted...
Imagine listening to them and becoming so irate you'd go to jail if you saw them irl lmao I can't imagine that. Do you know how to smack people over the mic? Ah, quick edit. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenRoar 11/09/19 6:30:39 PM #58: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Everyone just needs to ignore and suppress bullying and verbal abuse? Yes. That's called the "adult/being the bigger man" thing to do. thronedfire2 posted... If slurs cant be considered inciting violence the obvious solution is to always respond to slurs with violence so theyll have to be considered inciting violence in the future Will that mean black people stop using the word as well? Because if it only causes outrage when certain people use it, instead of consistently eliciting a reaction whenever the word is used, then it wouldn't exactly be lawful (violates principles of discrimination based on race) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/09/19 6:31:56 PM #59: |
HiddenRoar posted...
Will that mean black people stop using the word as well? Because if it only causes outrage when certain people use it, instead of consistently eliciting a reaction whenever the word is used, then it wouldn't exactly be lawful (violates principles of discrimination based on race) Are the black people using it to put down another race? --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 11/09/19 6:33:08 PM #60: |
HiddenRoar posted...
Yes. That's called the "adult/being the bigger man" thing to do. You wanna go tell Matthew Shepard he shouldn't be so upset because it was "just words"? I can show you to his grave. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/09/19 6:33:43 PM #61: |
Comfy_Pillow posted...
hockeybub89 posted..."Come hit me, you stupid fucking bitch <moddable insult>! You're have no balls! No wonder you're a loser and I treat you like shit! Your family probably hates you!" I didn't feel like getting modded for posting a string of unacceptable words. People have responded to words and bullying with violence for well...ever, so it's really odd for people to act as if it's some new thing. Being the victim of escalation doesn't justify talking shit and being an asshole. There is blame on both sides in those situations. "Violence bad! Words good!" is a gross oversimplification of human interaction and the human mind. It's nuanced. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenRoar 11/09/19 6:35:47 PM #62: |
Guide posted...
Are the black people using it to put down another race? Are you saying it's not a form of insult if black people (say, privileged) use it against other blacks (those of poorer, unruly, or uneducated types)? Why exclude it if it's being used on the same race? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Catgirl Fondler 11/09/19 6:37:28 PM #63: |
Talk shit, get hit.
Basic common sense, but of course there's folks in here who are struggling with the concept, lmao. --- N/A ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Medzzz 11/09/19 6:37:28 PM #64: |
Equal rights not extra rights
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ultimate reaver 11/09/19 6:38:12 PM #65: |
curbstomp em
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Guide 11/09/19 6:40:12 PM #66: |
HiddenRoar posted...
Are you saying it's not a form of insult if black people (say, privileged) use it against other blacks (those of poorer, unruly, or uneducated types)? My wording is poor. I should've said "a race", not "another race". I'm in agreement with you on this example. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/09/19 6:40:24 PM #67: |
HiddenRoar posted...
Yes. That's called the "adult/being the bigger man" thing to do. Ah yes I forgot that part of human development where the adult mind loses the ability to be affected by words and the only way to hurt someone is to punch them in the face. "Physical violence is bad" is not the same as "Verbal abuse and emotional manipulation are not bad". Words affect human beings and while it may not be recommended, it can be understandable if someone responds with escalation. You can a victim and an aggressor at the same time. Two wrongs don't make a right, but a greater wrong doesn't negate a lesser one. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Loud_Pipes 11/09/19 6:41:39 PM #68: |
Violence is not an appropriate response to speech.
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Medzzz 11/09/19 6:42:56 PM #69: |
Loud_Pipes posted...
Violence is not an appropriate response to speech. --- Feelin' fine ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/09/19 6:47:29 PM #70: |
I am perfectly fine with people saying violence is bad, but is absolutely ridiculous for people to say words are meaningless and that they can't hurt or incite anything. Human psychology and a cursory glance at history completely refute that.
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RickyTheBAWSE 11/09/19 6:52:42 PM #71: |
"Words are meaningless!"
"Black Lives Matter!" "Terrorist threats!" --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 11/09/19 7:06:17 PM #72: |
hockeybub89 posted...
joe40001 posted...No I'm saying legally you can't incite or call to violence. Yeah, you are saying what I've been saying Legally it is against the law to call for violence. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 11/09/19 7:07:45 PM #73: |
Guide posted...
HiddenRoar posted...Will that mean black people stop using the word as well? Because if it only causes outrage when certain people use it, instead of consistently eliciting a reaction whenever the word is used, then it wouldn't exactly be lawful (violates principles of discrimination based on race) So everybody can use it so long as they didn't mean anything bad when they used it? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RickyTheBAWSE 11/09/19 7:08:49 PM #74: |
great, the topic got even MORE stupid
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Guide 11/09/19 7:09:18 PM #75: |
joe40001 posted...
So everybody can use it so long as they didn't mean anything bad when they used it? Ideally, but not practically. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YourDrunkFather 11/09/19 7:10:36 PM #76: |
Go ahead, just dont cry if you get hit back.
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Damn_Underscore 11/09/19 7:10:55 PM #77: |
Why are some people in this topic so excited for physical violence?
Whether you're been trained in fighting or not, either way you should be avoiding getting into a fight. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 11/09/19 7:11:57 PM #78: |
It's no surprise the same people crying because they can't use a homophobic slur are ready to jump at the chance to use a racist slur.
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ZannoL 11/09/19 7:12:53 PM #79: |
BLAKUboy posted...
It's no surprise the same people crying because they can't use a homophobic slur are ready to jump at the chance to use a racist slur. Eh.... those people are gradually becoming the minority. They are just loudest on the internet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 11/09/19 7:15:26 PM #80: |
Yeah, just ignore the laws for social justice. Go for it. Good luck.
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RickyTheBAWSE 11/09/19 7:16:06 PM #81: |
ZannoL posted...
BLAKUboy posted...It's no surprise the same people crying because they can't use a homophobic slur are ready to jump at the chance to use a racist slur. what do you base that on? people are just more bold on the internet. these people still have every day lives. prior to 2016, people claimed racism was dead/dying, then Trump gave that sumbitch a senzu bean. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 11/09/19 7:17:00 PM #82: |
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
prior to 2016, people claimed racism was dead/dying, then Trump gave that sumbitch a senzu bean. To be fair, the people who said that are fucking morons. --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/09/19 7:17:30 PM #83: |
Lairen posted...
Yeah, just ignore the laws for social justice. Go for it. Good luck. Huh, I didn't take you for a Social Justice Warrior. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 11/09/19 7:17:51 PM #84: |
ZannoL posted...
BLAKUboy posted...It's no surprise the same people crying because they can't use a homophobic slur are ready to jump at the chance to use a racist slur. I think the conversation is much more about violence vs words, not like 'who else is down with trying to be bigoted and hurtful with our words?" --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Perascamin 11/09/19 7:19:13 PM #85: |
BLAKUboy posted...
The slur itself was a threat of violence. And anyone speaking against the kid is just telling on themselves.That's now how society works. --- I've grown. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 11/09/19 7:19:34 PM #86: |
Guide posted...
Lairen posted...Yeah, just ignore the laws for social justice. Go for it. Good luck. Its sad now i have to put a sarcasm disclaimer before i say things because millenials cant comprehend sarcasm. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coh 11/09/19 7:21:15 PM #87: |
BLAKUboy posted...
The slur itself was a threat of violence.No it's not lol I'm not condoning calling anyone a slur but it's not comparable to physical violence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 11/09/19 7:21:27 PM #88: |
@joe40001 btw this is the reason this topic was made:
https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1192937649335500801 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78146845 What do you make of the video? Was the slap appropriate, or understandable? --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Villain 11/09/19 7:24:20 PM #89: |
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Lairen 11/09/19 7:24:31 PM #90: |
If you dont mind being arrested, possibly losing the fight, being expelled or any other punishment then just fight who ever you feel is wrong.
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Guide 11/09/19 7:25:16 PM #91: |
Lairen posted...
Its sad now i have to put a sarcasm disclaimer before i say things because millenials cant comprehend sarcasm. Ok boomer. --- formerly evening formerly guide https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lordgold666 11/09/19 7:26:22 PM #92: |
Disrespect somebody, you better expect a fist
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Ippa555 11/09/19 7:28:28 PM #93: |
It's wrong, but I don't feel bad for the victim.
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Lairen 11/09/19 7:29:22 PM #94: |
Guide posted...
Lairen posted...Its sad now i have to put a sarcasm disclaimer before i say things because millenials cant comprehend sarcasm. https://youtu.be/5XoW5E9mAEM --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 11/09/19 7:30:39 PM #95: |
Shablagoo posted...
@joe40001 btw this is the reason this topic was made: It's understandable, but sometimes murder is understandable, doesn't make it legal or right though. I don't know the full context, but I'd imagine the guy calling the other guy that word wasn't "right" either. But it's about comparing things rather than saying one is good and one is bad. Sure frontier justice is fun 'bad guys getting their comeuppance" is nice to watch, but in real life bad and good is very rarely simple. That's why we have rules and laws, and I think laws making a clear distinction that "physical violence = illegal and words != illegal" is relatively useful and accurate. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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