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Exeggcute
10/31/19 10:58:04 AM
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UnfairRepresent
10/31/19 10:59:03 AM
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spudger
10/31/19 11:03:54 AM
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sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.
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CyricZ
10/31/19 11:04:43 AM
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Eh, not prison. People can say whatever foul shit they want. Just don't expect anyone to hire you.
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:05:01 AM
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Both CNN and Fox seem to imply that he made a misguided sort of "I'm not a history teacher" comment, then doubled down on stubbornness when someone balked.

It took a year to fire the guy, which strongly suggests an ongoing issue.
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Solid Sonic
10/31/19 11:06:32 AM
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spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.

CONTROVERSIAL: just ignore them.

While finding it abhorrent is completely understandable, I also think that flipping out and demanding incarceration for a very bad opinion is extreme. I look at Germany a bit side-eyed whenever they jail people for that, even though I admit they have a good reason to get very upset about it.

It just seems weird for someone to basically commit the verbal equivalent of shitposting then get arrested for it.
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hockeybub89
10/31/19 11:07:42 AM
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:09:42 AM
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Chernobyl denial is more interesting anyway.
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DevsBro
10/31/19 11:09:46 AM
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I don't understand what people stand to gain by denying the holocaust.

Some troll on the Internet is one thing but why would a real person really believe there was no holocaust?
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Solid Sonic
10/31/19 11:10:14 AM
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I mean if you want to arrest people for being willfully ignorant, arrest flat-earthers and climate change deniers as well.
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ASithLord7
10/31/19 11:11:11 AM
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:13:33 AM
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DevsBro posted...
Some troll on the Internet is one thing but why would a real person really believe there was no holocaust?

Generally there's two root causes:

1. Innocent cognitive dissonance with a belief that nobody could actually do that.
2. A capstone of an especially malicious anti-zionist mindset, by insisting that the only reason modern Israel exists is because of some sort of vast conspiracy.
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ASithLord7
10/31/19 11:15:02 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
DevsBro posted...
Some troll on the Internet is one thing but why would a real person really believe there was no holocaust?

Generally there's two root causes:

1. Innocent cognitive dissonance with a belief that nobody could actually do that.
2. A capstone of an anti-zionist mindset, by insisting that the only reason modern Israel exists is because of some sort of vast conspiracy.

This is such bait lol. They either dont or they dont support Israel, ignore the actual anti-Semites
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BLAKUboy
10/31/19 11:15:09 AM
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DevsBro posted...
I don't understand what people stand to gain by denying the holocaust.

Some troll on the Internet is one thing but why would a real person really believe there was no holocaust?

The Venn diagram of holocaust deniers and people that believe "Hitler had a point" is a circle.
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Zero_Destroyer
10/31/19 11:15:42 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
I mean if you want to arrest people for being willfully ignorant, arrest flat-earthers and climate change deniers as well.


flat-eartherism is harmless, if stupid

climate change denial is largely a product of intentional misinformation on the part of companies with a vested interest in retaining an energy monopoly and/or avoiding environmental regulations. it's dangerous, but it's not innately tied to radical political ideologies

holocaust denial is the direct product of extreme right-wing beliefs associated with movements that as of the '10s regularly commit terrorist attacks now

holocaust denial is significantly more immediately harmful because it's essentially spreading neo-nazi propaganda in a time where far righters really seem keen on mass shootings
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Tyranthraxus
10/31/19 11:17:02 AM
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DevsBro posted...
I don't understand what people stand to gain by denying the holocaust.

Some troll on the Internet is one thing but why would a real person really believe there was no holocaust?


Conspiracy theories help stupid people feel smart because it lets them believe they know facts that most "smart" people don't. Extends to things like antivaxxers and alternative medicine.

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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:17:10 AM
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ASithLord7 posted...
This is such bait lol.

If you say so.

A malicious "Israel was founded on lies!" foundation for anti-zionism is just another vector for anti-semitism.
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Solid Sonic
10/31/19 11:17:36 AM
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It's not a direct comparison, I get that, but it's also extreme, you have to admit.
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Garioshi
10/31/19 11:18:23 AM
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spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.

Slippery slope
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ASithLord7
10/31/19 11:19:25 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
This is such bait lol.

If you say so.

A malicious "Israel was founded on lies!" foundation for anti-zionism is just another vector for anti-semitism.

Well, yes. But it seemed you were trying to paint it as anyone who doesnt support Israel, and purposely ignoring anti-Semites
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Archibleedies
10/31/19 11:19:50 AM
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Imagine responding to questionmark
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Solid Sonic
10/31/19 11:20:28 AM
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Garioshi posted...
spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.

Slippery slope

The argument back would be Germany already does that and they aren't any worse for the wear.
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:23:12 AM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Well, yes. But it seemed you were trying to paint it as anyone who doesnt support Israel, and purposely ignoring anti-Semites

I went ahead and edited away some ambiguity, to evade the implication that "an" could be "all".
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ASithLord7
10/31/19 11:25:24 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
He is wrong and needs an education, but i would never fire somebody simply for stating that they believe something that is wrong. If it led to other issues or there were other related problems then maybe. But in and of itself, no.

I mean, ghosts and aliens don't exist either but people believe in them despite how offensive that is to people who work in science.

Looks like weve got one to add to the list.
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Questionmarktarius
10/31/19 11:26:23 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
He is wrong and needs an education, but i would never fire somebody simply for stating that they believe something that is wrong.

See post 5.
The guy may have made a mistake a year ago, but refusing to back down is why he eventually got fired.
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spudger
10/31/19 11:35:49 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
It just seems weird for someone to basically commit the verbal equivalent of shitposting then get arrested for it.

its not shitposting when 6 million jews died along with millions of others
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Garioshi
10/31/19 11:36:48 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Garioshi posted...
spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.

Slippery slope

The argument back would be Germany already does that and they aren't any worse for the wear.

In terms of civil liberties, yes.
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GiftedACIII
11/02/19 2:07:56 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
I mean if you want to arrest people for being willfully ignorant, arrest flat-earthers and climate change deniers as well.

He wasnt arrested
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Medzzz
11/02/19 2:10:55 AM
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What if he was an American slavery denier?
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ArchiePeck
11/03/19 3:22:51 PM
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Medzzz posted...
What if he was an American slavery denier?


Uh, I still wouldn't want them teaching children. To deny such a thing strongly implies a racial bias.
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brestugo
11/03/19 3:31:44 PM
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Medzzz posted...
What if he was an American slavery denier?

He'd be even crazier, since it appears he is a descendant of people who were enslaved.
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Skye Reynolds
11/03/19 3:33:36 PM
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Fuck him.
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BilalPowell
11/03/19 3:33:52 PM
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Exeggcute posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/us/florida-principal-holocaust-fired-trnd/index.html

UnfairRepresent posted...
Fox link for right wingers:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-principal-holocaust-comments-fired

Wish everyone would post a left and right source.
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Cornmuffins
11/03/19 3:35:36 PM
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Medzzz posted...
What if he was an American slavery denier?


Gotcha!
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coh
11/03/19 3:38:58 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Looks like weve got one to add to the list.
He literally said the guy was wrong
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Machete
11/06/19 8:39:19 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Both CNN and Fox seem to imply that he made a misguided sort of "I'm not a history teacher" comment, then doubled down on stubbornness when someone balked.

It took a year to fire the guy, which strongly suggests an ongoing issue.


Yeah. I saw the story about him being fired recently and I remember seeing initial stories about the controversy months ago.
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WerewolfPaws
11/06/19 8:50:05 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Chernobyl denial is more interesting anyway.


Hwat
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GoodOlJr
11/06/19 9:23:09 AM
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spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.


Denies what specifically

Also dont principals not teach?

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Questionmarktarius
11/06/19 9:59:47 AM
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WerewolfPaws posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Chernobyl denial is more interesting anyway.


Hwat

Only thirty people died from the Chernobyl incident.
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spudger
11/06/19 10:05:33 AM
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GoodOlJr posted...
spudger posted...
sick shit

anyone that denies it should be in prison. no questions.


Denies what specifically

Also dont principals not teach?

are you blind?
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GoodOlJr
11/06/19 10:13:05 AM
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spudger posted...
are you blind?


Well the article implies he denies the entire thing, even the fox article

If thats what it is, okay, I just wanted clarification

Asking for clarification on a headline in todays world Is more than reasonable

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