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UnfairRepresent
10/27/19 7:22:21 PM
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Its almost Halloween, and that means some atheist student groups on college campuses are erecting a Graveyard of the Gods, reminding students of all the deities who were once worshiped, only to be forgotten.

The purpose is to get students thinking about when their God will join the ranks of the dead.

The Secular Student Alliance at the University of Texas at San Antonio shared some pictures of what they put up on their campus:Its a wonderful way to get people to think critically about their own beliefs.

The group told me the display will be up through the end of the week on the Sombrilla Lawn. And as they wrote on their post, the response so far has been overwhelmingly positive.

Anyone interested in creating their own graveyard can find resources at the Secular Student Alliances website.


Wlyew1r

Interesting comment here by E.A. Blair:

In a mythology class, a fundie student (we called em Jesus freaks back then) asked me why I referred to the deities in the myths in the present tense (for example, I said things like Zeus is the king of the Olympian gods instead of saying was). My reply was that all deities are neither more nor less real and existing now than they were in ancient times. It took him a while, though, to figure out that I had just dismissed his deity as an ancient myth. A number of others in the class, though, including the teacher, caught it right away and had a nice smile at the freaks expense.

The Secular Student Alliance website, however, opens with the statement

Graveyard of the Gods is a farewell to humanitys forgotten deities.


Well, if all these deities are forgotten, then how do they know which names to put on the tombstones? They may be neglected, but they're part of human literature and history, and, therefore, hardly forgotten. Poor choice of words, that.


So I guess this swings the door open to all religious believers, your religion probably won't die any time soon due to the internet and global communication and the like.

But for the sake of argument, let's say for a fact that you knew within 700 years time your religion would no longer be practiced and your beliefs/holy texts would only be recorded alongside myths/history classes like the religions and cultures of old.

How does that make you feel and reflect on your beliefs today?
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MasterGakke
10/27/19 7:23:28 PM
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MedeaLysistrata
10/27/19 7:23:42 PM
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A CEman under a certain existential flag demolished my old god, Avatar of Bacchus
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Colorahdo
10/27/19 7:25:17 PM
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I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 7:27:37 PM
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When non-religion becomes a religion.
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BewmHedshot
10/27/19 7:28:02 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you

Think of all the time wasted by practitioners of religion, and the damage their religious beliefs do to the political landscape of the world.
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lilORANG
10/27/19 7:29:03 PM
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That's kinda a neat idea tbh. Could be very educational, so long as it's done in good faith. Of course it's probably only being done to make theists butthurt, but whatever.
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Distant_Rainbow
10/27/19 7:30:38 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you


I refuse to call those idiots atheists. Atheist is too broad a term for them and they stain the way in how the world conceives of atheists as a whole.

They're 'antitheists', and they're every bit as a nutjob as religious extremists who push their beliefs and flaunt them.
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HylianFox
10/27/19 7:31:12 PM
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I agree that calling them "forgotten" is pretty stupid

Regarded as myths and fairy tales, sure. But not forgotten
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Skye Reynolds
10/27/19 7:31:39 PM
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They can reserve a spot for the God of Christianity if they like. It'll go unfilled indefinitely.
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hockeybub89
10/27/19 7:31:50 PM
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They're not wrong. Everyone is always so sure of their gods and nations will fucking go to war or mistreat non-believers at the behest of their religion. And over and over, they are wrong. 99.9% of religions have to be wrong and who's to say any human will ever follow the right gods the right way if they never show themselves. You're living your life, and possibly telling others how to live theirs, on nothing but a probably wrong guess.

Religion should be solely personal.
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Colorahdo
10/27/19 7:32:12 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you

Think of all the time wasted by practitioners of religion, and the damage their religious beliefs do to the political landscape of the world.


Worrying about this is a waste of MY time, tbh
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Doe
10/27/19 7:32:47 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you

religion made people think being gay was a conscious choice to "live in sin"
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The_Ivory_Man
10/27/19 7:33:47 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
My reply was that all deities are neither more nor less real and existing now than they were in ancient times.


Ironically this is pretty close to how Tolkien converted C.S. Lewis from being an atheist.

He talks about it in a letter here

http://emp.byui.edu/wardd/honors221/concepts/myth.htm

Although Tolkien did become annoyed by how religious Lewis became, specifically saying he went way too hard on Aslan.
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UnfairRepresent
10/27/19 7:34:21 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist
I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"


So... you cringe at yourself?

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you


Because it does effect them mostly.

Not trying to pick on America (who aren't even the top 10 worst offenders) but since this board is American I'll use them as an example.

Opposition to homosexuality, climate change, stem-cell research, abortion, immigration, womens rights etc. Sure not exclusively religious obviously but you have to lie to pretend there isn't a massive overlap making the people who oppose said examples being motivated by their religion.

The dudes who flew planes into thw twin towers did so because of their religion.

The Nazis who threw millions of people into Gas Chambers believed they were doing Gods work.

Right now even on CE there is a topic where people are calling for the extrinction of the Isreali population because they are Muslims and not Jews.

A non Christian cannot be president in the US.

We have literally thousands of preists from the Catholic Church raping children for decades and getting away with it that still hasn't stopped today.

We have the 10 commandments on courthouse walls, in the pledge of allegance, on US Money despite a seperation of Church and State.

The idea of "It doesn't effect you." just seems dishonest.

Belief in Santa isn't creating/influencing political policy and global/economic/war stances.

A good cringy video to sum it up is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo" data-time="


My own father hated gays and transgenders because Christianity told him too until I convinced him otherwise.

Even theists, Christians, Muslims, Jews should be very nervous of the power religion has, both historically and today. "It doesn't effect you." seems like such a lazy and intellectually dishonest stance
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hockeybub89
10/27/19 7:35:58 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
BewmHedshot posted...
Colorahdo posted...
I'm an atheist and I cringe at people who identify as "Atheists"

So you don't believe -- go on with your life. Why are you trying to convince others? Let them believe in Santa it doesn't affect you

Think of all the time wasted by practitioners of religion, and the damage their religious beliefs do to the political landscape of the world.


Worrying about this is a waste of MY time, tbh

People have been discriminated against or killed for thousands of years specifically for not practicing the right religion or doing (even unintentional) things that insult the deity of choice.

"It doesn't affect anybody" has literally never been true.
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Bishop9800
10/27/19 7:40:06 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
When non-religion becomes a religion.

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Dragonblade01
10/27/19 8:05:29 PM
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It's no cringier than people preaching at students on campus grounds.
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KiwiTerraRizing
10/27/19 8:07:19 PM
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How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!
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Darmik
10/27/19 8:09:52 PM
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If Kratos isn't there yet then the Christian God should watch his back.
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Dragonblade01
10/27/19 8:09:57 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!

Because most of the lasting religions explicitly tell followers that very thing.
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EvenSpoonier
10/27/19 8:13:55 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!

Because they don't care what other religions have been doing. Failed attempts to lead people astray? Why bother counting them?
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 8:14:00 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!


Over 4.2 billion people believe in the same God.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/27/19 8:29:11 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!


Over 4.2 billion people believe in the same God.

Not really though
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 8:33:49 PM
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Yes really. They believe in the God from the Hebrew Bible.

They have different interpretations on his truth, but saying they believe in different gods is like saying Baptists and Mormons believe in a different god.
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Wetterdew
10/27/19 8:33:52 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
When non-religion becomes a religion.

It's not a religion, atheists don't believe in a higher power. It's just a silly display poking fun at religion that you people are taking way too seriously.
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Doe
10/27/19 8:36:33 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Yes really. They believe in the God from the Hebrew Bible.

They have different interpretations on his truth, but saying they believe in different gods is like saying Baptists and Mormons believe in a different god.

If you don't worship Jesus as God, you necessarily do not believe in the same God as Christians.
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10/27/19 8:37:13 PM
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Prestoff
10/27/19 8:40:30 PM
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lilORANG posted...
That's kinda a neat idea tbh. Could be very educational, so long as it's done in good faith. Of course it's probably only being done to make theists butthurt, but whatever.


This tbh
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 8:46:45 PM
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Christians and Muslims both believe in Jesus. Muslims believe he is only a prophet, whereas Christians believe in a three-part God. I think the trinity is sort of contrived but they basically believe in three Gods, YHWH, Jesus and also the Holy Spirit (or maybe the Holy Spirit is generally considered lesser than the other two? I don't really know).
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Kami_no_Kami
10/27/19 8:58:56 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
How can religious people not at least take pause at this? All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!


Over 4.2 billion people believe in the same God.


Mmmm... do they though?
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 9:14:12 PM
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Muslims and Jews believe in the same exact God. The Christian Old Testament is the Jewish bible. Jesus is a prophet in Islam. And all three share the figures of Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc.

If you want to say that Christians believing Jesus is God means that they don't all believe in the same YHWH figure, you're lying to yourself to forward your agenda. Clearly "All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!" is a huge oversimplification.
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Phantom_Nook
10/27/19 9:18:20 PM
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Just scan movies and games and stuff and list off every god that died. That'd be neat imo.
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defauIt
10/27/19 9:18:51 PM
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How many scientific theories have been proven wrong?
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DarkChozoGhost
10/27/19 11:38:23 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Muslims and Jews believe in the same exact God. The Christian Old Testament is the Jewish bible. Jesus is a prophet in Islam. And all three share the figures of Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc.

If you want to say that Christians believing Jesus is God means that they don't all believe in the same YHWH figure, you're lying to yourself to forward your agenda. Clearly "All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!" is a huge oversimplification.

Yeah, but 4.19 billion of those people think that 4.189 billion of the others aren't going to heaven
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Damn_Underscore
10/27/19 11:55:00 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Muslims and Jews believe in the same exact God. The Christian Old Testament is the Jewish bible. Jesus is a prophet in Islam. And all three share the figures of Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc.

If you want to say that Christians believing Jesus is God means that they don't all believe in the same YHWH figure, you're lying to yourself to forward your agenda. Clearly "All these other gods, theyre fake but mine, mine is real!" is a huge oversimplification.

Yeah, but 4.19 billion of those people think that 4.189 billion of the others aren't going to heaven


I don't think that's true, especially not on that scale. There are definitely fundamentalists who believe "believe what I believe if you want to go to heaven" or whatever equivalent, but I think most people generally believe "be a good person and you'll be fine".
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JoeDangIt
10/28/19 12:43:01 AM
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Those are some lazy looking graves... Good idea but poor execution.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/28/19 12:46:20 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
but I think most people generally believe "be a good person and you'll be fine".

Nope. That's a very small percentage.
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WerewolfPaws
10/28/19 12:47:44 AM
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Well thats one way of pwning the opposition.
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HylianFox
10/28/19 12:48:34 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
but I think most people generally believe "be a good person and you'll be fine".

Nope. That's a very small percentage.


Really, 99% of Christians believe that if you don't say the exact magic words and really really mean it, you'll go to Hell no matter what
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Sphyx
10/28/19 1:42:07 AM
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Just comes across as smarmy, self impressed and completely unneccessary.
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ThyCorndog
10/28/19 1:53:18 AM
#44:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
but I think most people generally believe "be a good person and you'll be fine".

Nope. That's a very small percentage.

I thought only protestants say you have to specifically accept jesus as your god to go to heaven. catholics have deeds take priority I think and I'm pretty sure orthodox aren't far off
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viewmaster_pi
10/28/19 1:57:04 AM
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My god is the sun

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berlyman101
10/28/19 1:59:36 AM
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Sphyx posted...
Just comes across as smarmy, self impressed and completely unneccessary.


Yeah, well, so is religion.

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Sphyx
10/28/19 2:29:56 AM
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If that's a justification, it's a shitty one.
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viewmaster_pi
10/28/19 3:00:07 AM
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Sphyx posted...
If that's a justification, it's a shitty one.


Yeah, well, so is religion.

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Illuminoius
10/28/19 3:05:25 AM
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i'm surprised how rarely i see atheists actually try making this point
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Shablagoo
10/28/19 3:06:32 AM
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In a mythology class, a fundie student (we called em Jesus freaks back then) asked me why I referred to the deities in the myths in the present tense (for example, I said things like Zeus is the king of the Olympian gods instead of saying was). My reply was that all deities are neither more nor less real and existing now than they were in ancient times. It took him a while, though, to figure out that I had just dismissed his deity as an ancient myth. A number of others in the class, though, including the teacher, caught it right away and had a nice smile at the freaks expense.


And then everyone clapped. And then he became Prom King. They worshipped him as a GOD...god...god....god....
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008Zulu
10/28/19 3:06:58 AM
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Zeus is dead? Oh man, no wonder he hasn't been answering my prayers. Whelp, I'm off to bone a goose in his honour.
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