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Malfunction
10/20/19 6:53:06 PM
#51:


Paper_Okami posted...
lmfao
people are really mad that their dumb super hero films were criticized and reaching at every straw they can to discredit them

like the thread is dumb, bad, and lazy

with no merit to its arguments.

This dude says "all of scorsese's film are the same" (clear he hasn't seen much of them)

and does not see the irony when lauding the MCU which are LiTERALLY THE SAME FUCKING THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN

basically

and i like most marvel films but honestly their fanboys are so bad. i dont wanna hear scorsese or whoever complain about them either, it's just lazy as fuck anger baiting.
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FrisbeeDude
10/20/19 6:53:14 PM
#52:


p-m posted...
This discussion/issue has absolutely no connection to race, trying to bring race into it is dumb


right on fucking sight jesus christ

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iPhone_7
10/20/19 6:54:36 PM
#53:


People mad about his comments bringing up the race connection but everyone ignoring how it pertains to climate change or the formation of ISIS.
#SMH
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p-m
10/20/19 6:55:45 PM
#54:


Paper_Okami posted...
Please don't pretend these super hero films are some kind of form of progressiveness

Black Panther made the CIA the good guy
Captain Marvel made the u.s military the good guy

both of those organizations have destroyed the lives of countless non-white people.

A much better film came out a year after Black Panther for a fraction of the cost

and like the beginning of BP it takes place in Oakland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorry_to_Bother_You

the director is a long time activist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_Riley


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RickyTheBAWSE
10/20/19 6:58:10 PM
#55:


when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 6:59:55 PM
#56:


The Admiral being a vile human being doesn't mean a point was made.
As usual TC refuses to engage with those who disagree with him and in his own mind makes about things about them, because he is unwilling or unable to confront those disagreements with arguments of merit. He likes to sit up their on his big chair acting all superior, because it's fair easier than engaging in a discussion.

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Southernfatman
10/20/19 7:01:16 PM
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You don't have to be some right winger to think this idea is silly.
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Rika_Furude
10/20/19 7:02:25 PM
#58:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere

Wouldn't know because the author is discredited so I didn't read what they had to say. Safe to say no truth is in the link in the OP
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NinjaWarrior455
10/20/19 7:02:53 PM
#59:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere

TC normally has something that may merit a discussion but this ain't it
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p-m
10/20/19 7:06:41 PM
#60:


Southernfatman posted...
You don't have to be some right winger to think this idea is silly.

Yep, I'm a highly anti racist borderline communist and I think this is dumb.
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SailorGoon
10/20/19 7:08:13 PM
#61:


Rika_Furude posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere

Wouldn't know because the author is discredited so I didn't read what they had to say. Safe to say no truth is in the link in the OP

Yeah this dude is clearly biased. Twitter bio is comic shit through and through. Something tells me he's more upset about the fact that someone doesn't like his hero movies.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/20/19 7:08:32 PM
#62:


I'll take y'all word for it, lmao

I purposely didn't click because I knew something stupid was going on, and I'm in too good of a mood to go swimming in that lake right now, lol
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 7:09:49 PM
#63:


That's exactly what it's about

I don't think the author is a dumb or delusional enough to think he's actually making any salient points

he's just defensive and lashing out which is a very human reaction
I understand his reaction nobody likes others shitting on things they like.
His way of going about it however, is to argument in meritless bad faith arguments where he assigns characteristics to Coppola and Scorsese that they don't have.
few Americans have done as much to bring Foreign cinema to Americans but yeah he's TOTALLY just made about superhero movies being made by non-white men
which of course ignored the fucking fact that 80% of them star and are directed by white men

Antman that's a white man, so is Thor, and Iron man, Spider-Man, Starlord, Hulk, Hawkeye, Captain America, Dr. Strange

holy shit what a revelation i just named most of the major players of the MCU and they are all white men

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nemu
10/20/19 7:09:57 PM
#64:


There are plenty of valid ways to criticize their dumb takes. Introducing race into it is not one of them.
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Skye Reynolds
10/20/19 7:11:15 PM
#65:


Yes, that's why older directors dislike commercial superhero movies and streaming services: diversity.

:/
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p-m
10/20/19 7:12:31 PM
#66:


Skye Reynolds posted...
Yes, that's why older directors dislike commercial superhero movies and streaming services: diversity.

:/

I like that they completely ignored that Martin Scorsese's new big film is a netflix exclusive.
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 7:17:48 PM
#67:


of the currently released MCU movies which there are like 23 of... how many are directed by someone other than a white man?

Just 2

Black Panther by Coogler who is black
and Thor Ragnarok by Taika Waititi who is Maori

2/23 is not diverse


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Gamerguymass
10/20/19 7:27:44 PM
#68:


What does Scorsese and Coppola being morons have to with "white male privlege?" Like this has literally nothing to do with race. They are just being old snobs. Like we are always supposed to 'learn' something from movies? Yeah cause we really learned a lot from The Godfather. And frankly if someone is getting inspiration from mobster movies then they should probably no longer be made.

Coppola is just old and being cranky because the younger generations don't care about his movies. That's literally all this is. It's just a desperate, and pathetic, cry for attention.
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BignutzisBack
10/20/19 7:29:05 PM
#69:


Delirious_Beard posted...
wow that dude is embarrassing

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FrisbeeDude
10/20/19 7:31:37 PM
#70:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere


True facts right here

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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 7:33:09 PM
#71:


FrisbeeDude posted...
True facts right here


lmfao you are ignoring everything everyone has said because your arguments hold no water

what do you think of only 2 MCU being directed by people who aren't white men?

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The Admiral
10/20/19 7:35:57 PM
#72:


FrisbeeDude posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
when alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence ITT, I think it's a safe bet that a hurtful truth was spoken somewhere


True facts right here


Literally no one in this topic agrees with you, and even Ricky is just bitching despite admitting he didn't read anything again.

Not sure what the"true facts" are, LOL.
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ledbowman
10/20/19 7:39:47 PM
#73:


Gamerguymass posted...
Coppola is just old and being cranky because the younger generations don't care about his movies. That's literally all this is. It's just a desperate, and pathetic, cry for attention.

I'm 14 and martin scorsese is my favorite director
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Gafemage
10/20/19 7:41:41 PM
#74:


Gamerguymass posted...
What does Scorsese and Coppola being morons have to with "white male privlege?" Like this has literally nothing to do with race. They are just being old snobs. Like we are always supposed to 'learn' something from movies? Yeah cause we really learned a lot from The Godfather. And frankly if someone is getting inspiration from mobster movies then they should probably no longer be made.

Coppola is just old and being cranky because the younger generations don't care about his movies. That's literally all this is. It's just a desperate, and pathetic, cry for attention.

Are you, like, competing with OP for the dumbest post ITT or something.
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jborgan
10/20/19 7:47:04 PM
#75:


TC did the same shit when that game developer was fired for toxic behavior and just called everyone who criticized her a sexist. Not worth having a discussion with.

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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 8:02:03 PM
#76:


https://twitter.com/moviessogood/status/1186000326542987264?s=21

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Malfunction
10/20/19 8:05:11 PM
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 8:08:05 PM
#78:


giving Victor Di Salva work was a disgusting awful move

by Coppola

the person in TC's first post doesn't actually really care about that
i'm sure he never really put it to mind
until Coppola shat on his beloved superhero movies

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Bishop9800
10/20/19 8:08:35 PM
#79:


The Admiral posted...

Not sure what the"true facts" are, LOL.


The part where alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence......
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Malfunction
10/20/19 8:10:07 PM
#80:


I was crying at the funko pops remark fwiw but yes I agree
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Delirious_Beard
10/20/19 8:11:01 PM
#81:


jborgan posted...
TC did the same shit when that game developer was fired for toxic behavior and just called everyone who criticized her a sexist. Not worth having a discussion with.


frisbeedude has always been one of the board's worst posters
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p-m
10/20/19 8:13:13 PM
#82:


Bishop9800 posted...
The Admiral posted...

Not sure what the"true facts" are, LOL.


The part where alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence......

I'm not a ce regular so do you actually know alt accounts are posting or is this some dumb "low karma!!!" thing?
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 8:18:57 PM
#83:


who the fuck are the alt accounts? most people posting are frequent posters

Like don't fucking tell me that the MCU is super diverse and stuff when

only two movies are directed by non-white men (one about a white man)
and only two movies revolve around non-white man
the 3 biggest figures in the MCU iron man, thor, Cap all white men all given trilogies already
the leader of the GOTG is a white man
Dr. Strange, Hulk, Spidey, Hawkeye

Ant Man got two fucking movies before BW got ONE

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bobbaaay
10/20/19 8:21:35 PM
#84:


Complaining about MCU movies just makes them look like lazy, old wieners. I don't even like MCU films myself - but this is like the kid with the bowl cut and the Rolling Stones shirt bought from K-Mart talking about how rap or pop music isn't "real music."
It comes off as cringy. So what if the MCU movies aren't high art? It's kind of a lazy, low-blow to even mention them - especially considering film isn't even in a bad place otherwise right now. They're focusing on one area that doesn't even need addressed.
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DeadBankerDream
10/20/19 8:28:58 PM
#85:


bobbaaay posted...
Complaining about MCU movies just makes them look like lazy, old wieners.

It's not like he was lifeblogging about it on tumblr. He was asked the question in an interview.
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bobbaaay
10/20/19 8:30:28 PM
#86:


DeadBankerDream posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Complaining about MCU movies just makes them look like lazy, old wieners.

It's not like he was lifeblogging about it on tumblr. He was asked the question in an interview.


He could've just said "I'm not really a fan" and left it at that. That would've been the mature route.
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DeadBankerDream
10/20/19 8:31:10 PM
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That's stupid.
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bobbaaay
10/20/19 8:32:23 PM
#88:


DeadBankerDream posted...
That's stupid.


Why is that stupid?
It literally comes off as wienery to act like there isn't any sort of talent behind making the films just because it's not parading itself as high art.
As someone who's a fan of schlock and exploitation - I think that's an insanely pretentious thing for any film director to say.
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bobbaaay
10/20/19 8:32:59 PM
#89:


And to be clear - I don't like MCU films at all.
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ledbowman
10/20/19 8:34:18 PM
#90:


bobbaaay posted...
the kid with the bowl cut and the Rolling Stones shirt bought from K-Mart

This is the wrong analogy to use for coppola. He's the real deal, staked his career on making art movies and has been paying for it for decades
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bobbaaay
10/20/19 8:38:45 PM
#92:


ledbowman posted...
bobbaaay posted...
the kid with the bowl cut and the Rolling Stones shirt bought from K-Mart

This is the wrong analogy to use for coppola. He's the real deal, staked his career on making art movies and has been paying for it for decades


I'm not saying he's that person - I'm saying that statement makes him look like that person.
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Darmik
10/20/19 8:41:04 PM
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I have a feeling that a lot of the people who get upset over old directors talking down to Marvel movies are the same people who belittle and act elitist over Big Bang Theory.
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DeadBankerDream
10/20/19 8:52:50 PM
#95:


bobbaaay posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
That's stupid.


Why is that stupid?
It literally comes off as wienery to act like there isn't any sort of talent behind making the films just because it's not parading itself as high art.
As someone who's a fan of schlock and exploitation - I think that's an insanely pretentious thing for any film director to say.

I dont think he said that, but okay.
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BeyondWalls
10/20/19 9:07:04 PM
#96:


Rika_Furude posted...
If you see "white privelege", "male privelege", and ESPECIALLY "white male privelege" you can instantly and safely dismiss everything the writer has to say. Nothing they have to say is worth reading, let alone worth considering.

Except the guy does kind of make a good point about Marvel/Netflix movies being more inclusive and the older white male superiority that previously made up the Hollywood elite being threatened because they're quietly being retired.
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Paper_Okami
10/20/19 9:14:13 PM
#97:


BeyondWalls posted...
Except the guy does kind of make a good point about Marvel/Netflix movies being more inclusive


90% of the films star white men and are directed by white man

this is a blatantly false statement

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/20/19 9:26:58 PM
#98:


p-m posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
The Admiral posted...

Not sure what the"true facts" are, LOL.


The part where alt accounts and a racist fallen mod are the biggest presence......

I'm not a ce regular so do you actually know alt accounts are posting or is this some dumb "low karma!!!" thing?


your name wasn't mentioned, but since you feel enough of a connection to personalize it, that's on you.

everybody knows when the shoe fits. no need to call out names, lolololol
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ledbowman
10/20/19 9:28:16 PM
#99:


Do italians not have good standing in the oppression olympics
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andel
10/20/19 9:32:46 PM
#100:


i saw the smoke from the topic list. tc really got beaten down itt
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