Current Events > Bernie or Warren: who do you rally behind?

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Seems to be the only 2 candidates us on the left are giving the time of day. Unfortunately, splitting the vote only makes it easier for someone like fucking Biden to win.

With endorsements coming out, have you picked one?

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The correct choice is Bernie Sanders and it's not even a contest.

Warren, though Bernie is wonderful too

That said while I voted in the primaries in 2016 and technically could this time round too I doubt I will.

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Neither, as they both want my money, but I have the luxury of living in a state that's definitely not voting for Trump, so at least it won't really matter how I vote.
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Doom_Art posted...

Warren, though Bernie is wonderful too

That said while I voted in the primaries in 2016 and technically could this time round too I doubt I will.

you like status quo mainstream Dem foreign policy?

you lukewarm on medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, etc?

why no response to my post in your topic asking to be convinced why Bernie should be supported over Warren?

I'm still deciding but I'm leaning towards Warren atm. Sad to say it, but age is actually a contributing factor here too. Policy wise they both have 1 or 2 things that I don't like.
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They're both joke candidates.
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Omnislasher posted...

you like status quo mainstream Dem foreign policy?

I got a secret for you

Most voters don't give a shit about foreign policy

Omnislasher posted...

you lukewarm on medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, etc?

I don't mind the stuff Warren has said about it

She has some pretty good plans tbh

Omnislasher posted...

why no response to my post in your topic asking to be convinced why Bernie should be supported over Warren?

Because I've had a busy weekend and it's easy to forget about some topics and posts lol

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Doom_Art posted...

Most voters don't give a shit about foreign policy

shame on you.

when the empire finally contracts and those tanks come rolling home, remember that you felt this way.

Omnislasher posted...

shame on you.

Shame on me? Shame on the 90% of the public that doesn't give a shit more like


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i'm not in discussion with "90% of the public", i'm in discussion with you

why are you not simply speaking for yourself?

I like how I'm being attacked because I said "I prefer this progressive candidate over the other one but the other one is still wonderful"

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the only thing that could be remotely construed as an 'attack' is that i called it shameful to imply that you don't care about foreign policy in considering a presidential candidate, although you're gutlessly refusing to own the remark. you're aware that foreign policy is the main area that the president actually exercises massive individual control over, or no?

Doom_Art posted...

Omnislasher posted...

shame on you.

Shame on me? Shame on the 90% of the public that doesn't give a shit more like

That's like when the world was proven round saying "Shame on me? Shame on the 90% of the public that doesn't give a shit more like, that's why I'll just stay with the 90%"
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Neither tbh.

I love Sanders but it's too late for him, just with health problems and age. We need to move away from electing 70+ year old people to lead our country.
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It sort of strains credulity for Bernie supporters, as soon as Warren passed him in the polls, to start acting like it's essentially a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically.
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Anteaterking posted...

It sort of strains credulity for Bernie supporters, as soon as Warren passed him in the polls, to start acting like it's essentially a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically.

As soon as they felt threatened, Warren morphed from a good progressive to a secret Republican or a neoliberal

It's ridiculous

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Wow, just look at those choices

A Tonsil-Stone Souffle versus a Booty-Water Cake.
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Bernie is better on foreign policy and military defense spending so I prefer him.
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voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries, will probably vote for Warren this time around.
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Both a little too conservative for my tastes
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Anteaterking posted...

It sort of strains credulity for Bernie supporters, as soon as Warren passed him in the polls, to start acting like it's essentially a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically.

show me who is saying that it's a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically? next to no one is saying that because it's OBVIOUSLY not remotely accurate.

that said, what is potentially shaping up to repeat itself is the nature of the contest, as you watch established DNC power elements, mainstream media, etc, line up in support of a potential warren candidacy, in the interest of quashing their legitimate class enemy Bernie Sanders. this is also an obvious observation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats.html

are you people paying any attention at all?

Doom_Art posted...

Anteaterking posted...

It sort of strains credulity for Bernie supporters, as soon as Warren passed him in the polls, to start acting like it's essentially a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically.

As soon as they felt threatened, Warren morphed from a good progressive to a secret Republican or a neoliberal

It's ridiculous

it's not a secret, bud

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

Omnislasher posted...

it's not a secret, bud

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

I don't think this article is the slam dunk you think it is


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bernie 100%
warren grudgingly is my followup
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The Admiral posted...

They're both joke candidates.

You're a joke poster.

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Doom_Art

your selective responding makes it seem like you're not worth engaging at all, so whatever

bottom line for now:
"As soon as they felt threatened, Warren morphed from a good progressive to a secret Republican or a neoliberal"

you're inventing a reality here; this did not happen and is not happening.

It's just rather interesting how the "if Bernie doesn't win then it's rigged by the DNC" theories are all starting right now.

Anyway I didn't really wanna get into a whole thing. When folks say that the more fervent Bernie supporters remind them of Trumpers this is the sorta thing they're talking about.

All I literally said was "I prefer Warren but Bernie is wonderful too".

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Doom_Art posted...

It's just rather interesting how the "if Bernie doesn't win then it's rigged by the DNC" theories are all starting right now.

Anyway I didn't really wanna get into a whole thing. When folks say that the more fervent Bernie supporters remind them of Trumpers this is the sorta thing they're talking about.

All I literally said was "I prefer Warren but Bernie is wonderful too".

Exactly. Now it's apparently rigged for Warren. Before it was rigged for Biden. Then Kamala. Then Beto, then Pete, then Booker. Bernie supporters are paranoid. Still not as toxic as Tulsi supporters, though.

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The right is scared of Bernie
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Either or. If they're both in when my state does it's primary, I'll vote Bernie, but I'd be perfectly happy with President Warren.
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Yang 2020 Baby!

Unlike those old geezers, he is aware of the 4th Industrial Revolution.
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I like both Sanders and Warren, but goddammit, why can't we get candidates that aren't past the retirement age?
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Sanders.
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Omnislasher posted...

show me who is saying that it's a repeat of Clinton vs Sanders ideologically? next to no one is saying that because it's OBVIOUSLY not remotely accurate.

that said, what is potentially shaping up to repeat itself is the nature of the contest, as you watch established DNC power elements, mainstream media, etc, line up in support of a potential warren candidacy, in the interest of quashing their legitimate class enemy Bernie Sanders. this is also an obvious observation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats.html

are you people paying any attention at all?

How have you watched these debates and come away from them thinking "Man, the mainstream media is in Warren's corner"? All of the debates have been partially framed as everyone vs Warren and Sanders, and the moderators have desperately tried to get her to say "We're going to raise middle class taxes". I think you're projecting too much pro-Warren sentiment to what is really just cable news chasing whatever looks like a fresh story. Every debate has had pundits clamoring for why *insert middling candidate* won and is going to pick up steam, only for nothing to happen. If e.g. Gillibrand was doing as well as Warren is now, she'd be getting more favorable coverage.

As far as the DNC goes, Warren's endorsement numbers are pathetic compared to Harris, Booker, and Biden and are not even close to Hillary in 2016. You also have the same hand wringing from people who said "If Bernie wins I'm going to have to vote for Bloomberg" but they now say "If Bernie or Warren wins". Moderate candidates who haven't even tried to touch Biden, the person who holds the most votes for them to gain, feel free attacking both of them.

Like you can delude yourself as much as you want that there's this super active campaign to take down Bernie by the media/elites, but what's really happening is that Bernie supporters wildly overestimated how many of his supporters in 2016 were deep in his camp versus selecting him as the better of their two real choices.
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Sanders > Yang > Gabbard

If Warren doesn't take corporate money in the general, if she were to win, I'd consider voting for her. She's starting to feel like Obama 2.0 though, being a sheep in wolves clothing.
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Warren thinks its okay to spoil a show thats been out for a day. I dont want to be watching the state of the union and have to worry about whether Im caught up on Westworld for fear of spoilers.
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I want to get behind Bernie but he's falling apart and I'm distracted by the strings holding him up.

The Dems want Biden, they are going to put up Biden whether the people want him or not. Just like they did with Hilary.

I won't ever vote for Warren, she lied about her race for personal gain and as a Native American I am disgusted by her actions and can't trust her.

Anteaterking posted...

Like you can delude yourself as much as you want that there's this super active campaign to take down Bernie by the media/elites, but what's really happening is that Bernie supporters wildly overestimated how many of his supporters in 2016 were deep in his camp versus selecting him as the better of their two real choices.

Yep

Like I really like the guy but seriously why when he won 43% of the primary vote in 2016 is he now struggling to break out of the teens?

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Bernie

Even if he died in office and they literally pull a Weekend at Bernie's with his corpse, I think his rotting body would still care more about this country and be far more effective than anyone else we put in office.

I'd be fine with Warren though.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Warren thinks its okay to spoil a show thats been out for a day. I dont want to be watching the state of the union and have to worry about whether Im caught up on Westworld for fear of spoilers.

What? Elaborate, please.

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