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DarkRoast 10/14/19 7:59:34 PM #1:	When Hans gets knocked over by Anna in the opening of the movie, she walks away and he smiles a pure, amorous smile. Without anyone watching him, thus he has no reason to fake his actual feelings. It's a deliberately misleading scene to the viewer and makes me think his heel turn was a late addition to the story or, perhaps, an unusually complex situation where he actually is well-meaning at first but legitimately heel turns later --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928770324] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>When Hans gets knocked over by Anna in the opening of the movie, she walks away and he smiles a pure, amorous smile. Without anyone watching him, thus he has no reason to fake his actual feelings. It's a deliberately misleading scene to the viewer and makes me think his heel turn was a late addition to the story or, perhaps, an unusually complex situation where he actually is well-meaning at first but legitimately heel turns later </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralStiff 10/14/19 8:03:14 PM #2:	Bruh, it's just an hour long ad to sell toys for little girls. --- You cannot stop me from getting inside I am cold, I am hard and my name... is Reality <cite>AdmiralStiff posted [p:928770478] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Bruh, it's just an hour long ad to sell toys for little girls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/14/19 8:04:35 PM #3:	I'll agree that the movie plays that twist a little loose and could have used one or two more hints, but in general I have nothing but praise for that movie for bucking a significant number of Disney tropes. Everything from making fun of the true love at first sight trope, to the actual love twist being family, to ending with a relationship that isn't a marriage, to spending nearly all the movie without a clear villain, Etc. I know the movie gets a lot of crap for being significantly over-exposed, but in the long run I think people will look back with more appreciation for how it broke the formula that everybody was expecting. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:928770533] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>I'll agree that the movie plays that twist a little loose and could have used one or two more hints, but in general I have nothing but praise for that movie for bucking a significant number of Disney tropes. Everything from making fun of the true love at first sight trope, to the actual love twist being family, to ending with a relationship that isn't a marriage, to spending nearly all the movie without a clear villain, Etc. I know the movie gets a lot of crap for being significantly over-exposed, but in the long run I think people will look back with more appreciation for how it broke the formula that everybody was expecting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yusiko 10/14/19 8:05:42 PM #4:	you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny --- yusketeer <cite>yusiko posted [p:928770569] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/14/19 8:06:11 PM #5:	honestly, I appreciate the lesson that you shouldn't just automatically trust a prince charming, and the idea of love at first sight is kind of ridiculous, but they do a terrible job of giving you any reason to doubt Hans. They also do a pretty good job of making him seem like a pretty good guy, even when no one's watching. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928770590] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>honestly, I appreciate the lesson that you shouldn't just automatically trust a prince charming, and the idea of love at first sight is kind of ridiculous, but they do a terrible job of giving you any reason to doubt Hans. They also do a pretty good job of making him seem like a pretty good guy, even when no one's watching. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 10/14/19 8:06:23 PM #6:	Maybe that's when he got the idea. --- Work in progress, please be patient. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:928770598] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Maybe that's when he got the idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 10/14/19 8:06:32 PM #7:	yusiko posted... you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny This is Disney though. They do do that. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:928770602] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny </quote> This is Disney though. They do do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/14/19 8:08:48 PM #8:	dave_is_slick posted... yusiko posted... you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny This is Disney though. They do do that. That's what they have been trying to avoid lately. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:928770683] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny </quote> This is Disney though. They do do that.</quote> That's what they have been trying to avoid lately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/14/19 8:19:17 PM #9:	That is his evil smile --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:928771093] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>That is his evil smile</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 10/14/19 8:27:49 PM #10:	He may have been genuinely infatuated with Anna even though his ultimate goal was always to get into a ruling position. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:928771476] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>He may have been genuinely infatuated with Anna even though his ultimate goal was always to get into a ruling position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sariana21 10/14/19 8:29:35 PM #11:	It was a late addition. Originally Elsa was the villain. But then the songwriters wrote the song "Let It Go," and the writers decided to go in a different direction. I agree that scene doesn't fit. In fact, the whole Hans storyline is specious. They could have stayed with having the Duke of Weselton be the bad guy (along with his goons). Hans could have been the insipid nobody he started as, just an opportunist but not evil. He could have kissed Anna, only to have absolutely nothing happen (because theirs wasn't "true" love). He didn't NEED to be evil for the story to work. --- ___ Sari, Mom to DS (07/04) and DD (01/08); Pronouns: she/her/hers <cite>Sariana21 posted [p:928771554] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>It was a late addition. Originally Elsa was the villain. But then the songwriters wrote the song "Let It Go," and the writers decided to go in a different direction. I agree that scene doesn't fit. In fact, the whole Hans storyline is specious. They could have stayed with having the Duke of Weselton be the bad guy (along with his goons). Hans could have been the insipid nobody he started as, just an opportunist but not evil. He could have kissed Anna, only to have absolutely nothing happen (because theirs wasn't "true" love). He didn't NEED to be evil for the story to work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/14/19 8:30:46 PM #12:	Wetterdew posted... He may have been genuinely infatuated with Anna even though his ultimate goal was always to get into a ruling position. His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her? --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:928771605] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Wetterdew posted...</cite> <quote>He may have been genuinely infatuated with Anna even though his ultimate goal was always to get into a ruling position.</quote> His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/14/19 8:33:57 PM #13:	It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928771733] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sariana21 10/14/19 8:34:36 PM #14:	DarkRoast posted... It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon Yeah, I've always thought the same thing. --- ___ Sari, Mom to DS (07/04) and DD (01/08); Pronouns: she/her/hers <cite>Sariana21 posted [p:928771753] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon </quote> Yeah, I've always thought the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 10/14/19 9:24:01 PM #15:	creativerealms posted... dave_is_slick posted... yusiko posted... you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny This is Disney though. They do do that. That's what they have been trying to avoid lately. But by doing that, we don't get time with them as the villain so when the "twist" is revealed it's not satisfying it's stupid. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:928773918] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny </quote> This is Disney though. They do do that.</quote> That's what they have been trying to avoid lately.</quote> But by doing that, we don't get time with them as the villain so when the "twist" is revealed it's not satisfying it's stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 10/14/19 10:42:53 PM #16:	DarkRoast posted... It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon Hans, Kristoff, Anna, and Sven were named because when spoken in that order it sounds like Hans christian anderson. So Hans is only really part of it GiftedACIII posted... His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her? I think it's possible he originally planned to marry into the family and was happy to find somebody to use that actually seemed nice (which is scummy but not rare at all), but after learning Elsa's secret and when things went down, his greed took over and he decided to take a more decisive action instead. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:928777449] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon </quote> Hans, Kristoff, Anna, and Sven were named because when spoken in that order it sounds like Hans christian anderson. So Hans is only really part of it GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her?</quote> I think it's possible he originally planned to marry into the family and was happy to find somebody to use that actually seemed nice (which is scummy but not rare at all), but after learning Elsa's secret and when things went down, his greed took over and he decided to take a more decisive action instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 10/14/19 10:48:20 PM #17:	Ive only seen the movie once and I remember thinking it was weird how the prince(?) suddenly turns evil, like I didnt remember there being any hints at all. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:928777722] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Ive only seen the movie once and I remember thinking it was weird how the prince(?) suddenly turns evil, like I didnt remember there being any hints at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 10/14/19 10:49:57 PM #18:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCaw8_qn1tw" data-time=" --- https://imgur.com/HbkWhqp https://imgur.com/m0cdFiq <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:928777812] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCaw8_qn1tw" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 10/14/19 10:58:34 PM #19:	iPhone_7 posted... Ive only seen the movie once and I remember thinking it was weird how the prince(?) suddenly turns evil, like I didnt remember there being any hints at all. My brother's girlfriend saw it coming ever since he mentioned to Anna that he was the last brother of like 10. I didn't see it coming but I was ok with that since IRL you can't always tell when somebody is keeping a secret until the reveal it --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:928778267] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>Ive only seen the movie once and I remember thinking it was weird how the prince(?) suddenly turns evil, like I didnt remember there being any hints at all.</quote> My brother's girlfriend saw it coming ever since he mentioned to Anna that he was the last brother of like 10. I didn't see it coming but I was ok with that since IRL you can't always tell when somebody is keeping a secret until the reveal it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/15/19 3:51:48 PM #20:	dave_is_slick posted... creativerealms posted... dave_is_slick posted... yusiko posted... you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny This is Disney though. They do do that. That's what they have been trying to avoid lately. But by doing that, we don't get time with them as the villain so when the "twist" is revealed it's not satisfying it's stupid. I agree in attempting to avoid a cliche they have created a new one. Afer Incredibles 2 I hope Disney avoides the "twist villain" for a while. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:928804897] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>yusiko posted...</cite> <quote>you know evil people dont sit around scowling and laughing evilly everytime peoples back are turned right? its possible he found the situation funny </quote> This is Disney though. They do do that.</quote> That's what they have been trying to avoid lately.</quote> But by doing that, we don't get time with them as the villain so when the "twist" is revealed it's not satisfying it's stupid.</quote> I agree in attempting to avoid a cliche they have created a new one. Afer Incredibles 2 I hope Disney avoides the "twist villain" for a while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 10/15/19 4:53:51 PM #21:	Wetterdew posted... DarkRoast posted... It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon Hans, Kristoff, Anna, and Sven were named because when spoken in that order it sounds like Hans christian anderson. So Hans is only really part of it GiftedACIII posted... His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her? I think it's possible he originally planned to marry into the family and was happy to find somebody to use that actually seemed nice (which is scummy but not rare at all), but after learning Elsa's secret and when things went down, his greed took over and he decided to take a more decisive action instead. He does mention that his original plan was to marry Elsa, but switched it to Anna when he realized no one would get anywhere with Elsa and that Anna was so desperate to be loved. And that he would marry Anna and arrange for an accident for Elsa. But then Elsa's incident happened. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:928807378] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Wetterdew posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>It's also kind of a dick move to name the villain after the guy who literally wrote the book Frozen was based upon </quote> Hans, Kristoff, Anna, and Sven were named because when spoken in that order it sounds like Hans christian anderson. So Hans is only really part of it GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>His refusal to save her and his evil monologue beginning with I dont actually love you pretty much indicate that isnt the case. Or are you saying he fell out of love for her?</quote> I think it's possible he originally planned to marry into the family and was happy to find somebody to use that actually seemed nice (which is scummy but not rare at all), but after learning Elsa's secret and when things went down, his greed took over and he decided to take a more decisive action instead.</quote> He does mention that his original plan was to marry Elsa, but switched it to Anna when he realized no one would get anywhere with Elsa and that Anna was so desperate to be loved. And that he would marry Anna and arrange for an accident for Elsa. But then Elsa's incident happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medzzz 10/15/19 4:54:54 PM #22:	The better Frozen movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1gJDtgOMU" data-time=" The film was shot entirely practically, meaning no soundstage, nor greenscreen, nor CGI. The actors and actresses were truly suspended over fifty feet in the air on the side of a real mountain in Utah. An audience member fainted at the film's first showing at the Sundance Film Festival (though this could be attributed to the festival's high altitude). --- Hi <cite>Medzzz posted [p:928807420] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>The better Frozen movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1gJDtgOMU" data-time=" The film was shot entirely practically, meaning no soundstage, nor greenscreen, nor CGI. The actors and actresses were truly suspended over fifty feet in the air on the side of a real mountain in Utah. An audience member fainted at the film's first showing at the Sundance Film Festival (though this could be attributed to the festival's high altitude).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 10/15/19 4:55:46 PM #23:	Bruh, it's just an hour long ad to sell toys for little girls. Seriously. Seeing adults breaking down kid's movies is an amazing sport. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:928807458] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Bruh, it's just an hour long ad to sell toys for little girls. Seriously. Seeing adults breaking down kid's movies is an amazing sport.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/15/19 5:03:08 PM #24:	He does mention that his original plan was to marry Elsa, but switched it to Anna when he realized no one would get anywhere with Elsa and that Anna was so desperate to be loved. Which makes his totally earnest lovestruck smile (when nobody was watching him) deliberately misleading. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928807734] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>He does mention that his original plan was to marry Elsa, but switched it to Anna when he realized no one would get anywhere with Elsa and that Anna was so desperate to be loved. Which makes his totally earnest lovestruck smile (when nobody was watching him) deliberately misleading. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/15/19 5:06:38 PM #25:	Also, why would Hans save Elsa from being shot by the Duke of Weselton? There's literally no reason for him to do that, especially by that point in the movie when he has already proposed to Anna --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928807870] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>Also, why would Hans save Elsa from being shot by the Duke of Weselton? There's literally no reason for him to do that, especially by that point in the movie when he has already proposed to Anna </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 10/15/19 5:17:10 PM #26:	DarkRoast posted... Also, why would Hans save Elsa from being shot by the Duke of Weselton? There's literally no reason for him to do that, especially by that point in the movie when he has already proposed to Anna You can see him glance up at the chandelier right before he lunges forward. I think he intentionally redirected the crossbow to hit the chandelier instead of Elsa. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:928808285] in There's on... [t:78086382]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Also, why would Hans save Elsa from being shot by the Duke of Weselton? There's literally no reason for him to do that, especially by that point in the movie when he has already proposed to Anna </quote> You can see him glance up at the chandelier right before he lunges forward. I think he intentionally redirected the crossbow to hit the chandelier instead of Elsa.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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