Current Events > Sony is going to end up walking back full BC on the PS5

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They'll put out some bullshit reason to "justify" why they can't but hopefully everyone will see right through it.
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I'm already planning to buy a ps3 anyway, lmfao.

it would be crazy expensive to do. i mean early PS3s as it was basically had a PS2 built into it. the only way i see them doing full BC is if its in the form of a gamepass type service.

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It depends on what you mean by "walking back" and "full BC".
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King Rial posted...

It depends on what you mean by "walking back" and "full BC".

"Because when you see it, you'll walk backwards so fast time will reverse!"

I'm only expecting legit bc with ps4. I'd honestly much rather they not bother with prior gens outside of that beyond adding them to PS now. The absolute last thing we need really is a 600+ console because a select few members of the gaming community insist on holding onto decades worth of games.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

it would be crazy expensive to do. i mean early PS3s as it was basically had a PS2 built into it. the only way i see them doing full BC is if its in the form of a gamepass type service.

Well, that wouldn't be necessary, if PS1 and PS2 is what you're talking about. My phone can emulate them. Doubtless the PS5 would have no trouble. The PS4 should be no trouble either, as the architecture isn't much different.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

I'm only expecting legit bc with ps4. I'd honestly much rather they not bother with prior gens outside of that beyond adding them to PS now. The absolute last thing we need really is a 600+ console because a select few members of the gaming community insist on holding onto decades worth of games.

The emulating software for PS1 & PS2 is free. It wouldn't cost them anything.
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They never said it was full bc in the first place so there's nothing to walk back.
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King Rial posted...

Well, that wouldn't be necessary, if PS1 and PS2 is what you're talking about. My phone can emulate them. Doubtless the PS5 would have no trouble. The PS4 should be no trouble either, as the architecture isn't much different.

Your phone (nor for that matter, your computer) is in no way actually emulating the various processors of the PS2 in software. It's using loads of workarounds to run things natively on some of the host hardware, which means a nightmare of compatibility issues and glitches.

King Rial posted...

It depends on what you mean by "walking back" and "full BC".

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".
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ArchiePeck posted...

Your phone (nor for that matter, your computer) is in no way actually emulating the various processors of the PS2 in software. It's using loads of workarounds to run things natively on some of the host hardware, which means a nightmare of compatibility issues and glitches.

No shit. But it has nearly perfect emulation of all the major games, and that's all that's needed. Just like the PlayStation Classic they put out that runs using an emulator.
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im dropping sony next gen if it there isn't largescale BC with the ps4.

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Bio1590 posted...

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".

Where was the original announcement of Full BC? I'll admit, I'm having trouble finding this.
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King Rial posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".

Where was the original announcement of Full BC? I'll admit, I'm having trouble finding this.

They never announced it, they said it may be capable of it and they were looking into it. Not once did we ever get confirmation directly from them that it was happening, only that it could happen.
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Yea it could, but the console, if its BC with all physical software, would cost so much.

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ultimate reaver posted...

im dropping sony next gen if it there isn't largescale BC with the ps4.

I'll get a PS5 at some point probably, but it'll be the last console I get in the gen, after a couple price drops. Sony is a pretty terrible company.
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Make a PS5/4/3/2/1/P/V, that reads physical media, and I'll buy two.

Makeveli_lives posted...

King Rial posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".

Where was the original announcement of Full BC? I'll admit, I'm having trouble finding this.

They never announced it, they said it may be capable of it and they were looking into it. Not once did we ever get confirmation directly from them that it was happening, only that it could happen.

Because its based in part on the PS4s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. As in many other generational transitions, this will be a gentle one, with numerous new games being released for both PS4 and the next-gen console.

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

If be surprised if it doesn't have PS4 BC at this point. Considering PS4 sales they'd be giving up a huge advantage.
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PS3 emulation ain't happening.
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Already got my PS5 preordered

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

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hyperpowder posted...

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

One less thing competing for HDMI ports.

Questionmarktarius posted...

hyperpowder posted...

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

One less thing competing for HDMI ports.

hmi splitter
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

hyperpowder posted...

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

One less thing competing for HDMI ports.

hmi splitter

There's competition for those, too.

hyperpowder posted...

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

People that don't want to have 80 consoles hooked up to one TV, I'm assuming.
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BC isn't as easy as people think. The Xbone had to roll out updates for it and not just make all games BC
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hyperpowder posted...

Already got my PS5 preordered

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

No-one buys them for that purpose, but it's very handy!

ArchiePeck posted...

hyperpowder posted...

Already got my PS5 preordered

Who buys new consoles to play old games?

No-one buys them for that purpose, but it's very handy!

You still have games to play while waiting for the new platform to mature, which is a situation the hardware vendors would prefer over the audience holding out for a couple years.

Bio1590 posted...

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".

There are some games they may not be able to support for licensing reasons.

That's why there's no more NCAA games and we the ones that exist will never be backwards compatible.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

They never said it was full bc in the first place so there's nothing to walk back.

They can't even get BC working for PS4 titles yet so... there might be something to walk back.

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I think the PS4 BC will be very basic compared to Microsoft. Microsoft will be more likely to have some feature where they can automatically upscale older games into 4k or whatever. A few 360 games and all compatible OG Xbox games already do that on One X.
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Irony posted...

BC isn't as easy as people think. The Xbone had to roll out updates for it and not just make all games BC

there's zero excuse for the PS5 to not have PS4 backwards compatibility

in this case it's basically the same thing as just upgrading PC components, PCs don't stop being able to play old games just because they go from a 2012 video card to a 2019 video card

DarthAragorn posted...

Irony posted...

BC isn't as easy as people think. The Xbone had to roll out updates for it and not just make all games BC

there's zero excuse for the PS5 to not have PS4 backwards compatibility

in this case it's basically the same thing as just upgrading PC components, PCs don't stop being able to play old games just because they go from a 2012 video card to a 2019 video card

Technical limitations are irrelevant, it's up to devs if they want to allow it.
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Licensing would be an issue for PS1-PS3 because those games will need to be downloaded to work.

But I'm pretty sure this generation of games had forwards compatibility in mind. It shouldn't be as complicated. Microsoft have already promised every single game that works on Xbox One will work on Scarlett and both companies are using similar architecture for this gen and next gen.
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Probably
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Darmik posted...

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

If be surprised if it doesn't have PS4 BC at this point. Considering PS4 sales they'd be giving up a huge advantage.

Yeah, I had found that a bit earlier, but I was looking for an actual quote that mentioned full backwards compatibility.
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King Rial posted...

Darmik posted...

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

If be surprised if it doesn't have PS4 BC at this point. Considering PS4 sales they'd be giving up a huge advantage.

Yeah, I had found that a bit earlier, but I was looking for an actual quote that mentioned full backwards compatibility.

Oh for the other PlayStation consoles? Nah they've never promised that and considering how they handled that for PS4 I wouldn't expect it. Probably just the PS2 Classics on PS4 will carry over.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

One less thing competing for HDMI ports.

You're really playing PS3 games that much that it has shelf space?

Lol ok

Again I buy new consoles to play new games

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hyperpowder posted...

Again I buy new consoles to play new games

If you like to dump your old games into a pile and set them on fire, that's your prerogative, I guess.

...I've still got a PS2 hooked up.

I skipped the PS3 anyway, so whatever. I'm not missing much on BC as far as PlayStation goes
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Full BC for PS4 games.

They've already gone from "It'll have it" to "We're looking at it to make sure it's possible".

There are some games they may not be able to support for licensing reasons.

That's why there's no more NCAA games and we the ones that exist will never be backwards compatible.

That's only an issue on Xbox One due to the way Xbox One handles backwards compatible. It's not really just running the 360 game, it's loading an Xbox One compatible version of the 360 game. A different executable technically IIRC and you have to download the software from the Xbox store. That's why it needs to be licensed again.

If you make hardware that natively plays PS3 discs they don't need to get permission from the people who published the games. That's how GBA games work on DS, how GB games work on GBC, how PS1/PS2 on PS3 and so on.
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There's a lot of cool games on PS3 that will never be remastered or ported. So many could benefit from a bump of resolution and a better framerate. It would be awesome if Sony could figure out a solution for the PS5.

The way 360 games look when they're Xbox One X enhanced is fantastic. Not far off what you get on PC.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

If you like to dump your old games into a pile and set them on fire, that's your prerogative, I guess.

...I've still got a PS2 hooked up.

Or you can sell them

Like I envy anyone who has enough time to play new games and old games through the week. Must be nice

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Error1355 posted...

That's only an issue on Xbox One due to the way Xbox One handles backwards compatible. It's not really just running the 360 game, it's loading an Xbox One compatible version of the 360 game. A different executable technically IIRC and you have to download the software from the Xbox store. That's why it needs to be licensed again.

If you make hardware that natively plays PS3 discs they don't need to get permission from the people who published the games. That's how GBA games work on DS, how GB games work on GBC, how PS1/PS2 on PS3 and so on.

In the case of NCAA it's legal. EA was sued by the NCAA and lost.

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I'm pretty sure a whole lot of people are playing The Last of Us before the next one comes out.

I'm looking forward to playing through the entire Splinter Cell series on Xbox at some point too.

The more games you have to play the better. Sometimes it's good to play an older title.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Error1355 posted...

That's only an issue on Xbox One due to the way Xbox One handles backwards compatible. It's not really just running the 360 game, it's loading an Xbox One compatible version of the 360 game. A different executable technically IIRC and you have to download the software from the Xbox store. That's why it needs to be licensed again.

If you make hardware that natively plays PS3 discs they don't need to get permission from the people who published the games. That's how GBA games work on DS, how GB games work on GBC, how PS1/PS2 on PS3 and so on.

In the case of NCAA it's legal. EA was sued by the NCAA and lost.

Has nothing to do with that. If it is hardware that naturally plays PS2/PS3 discs it can. There is no legal requirement to get permission to make these games playable.

Unless you are saying physical NCAA games on PS3 don't load anymore too.
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Sony has what is probably the best PS2 emulator ever developed as evidenced by hacked PS4s. Should be easy to run that emulator on a PS5. PS1 games already had full software emulation on PS3, PSP, and Vita, so zero problems there. The only real issue I see is PS3 emulation.

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Error1355 posted...

Has nothing to do with that. If it is hardware that naturally plays PS2/PS3 discs it can. There is no legal requirement to get permission to make these games playable.

Unless you are saying physical NCAA games on PS3 don't load anymore too.

No I'm saying they're legally not allowed to patch in support for NCAA as a BC game. That includes using the PS4/5 as a sideloader for older hardware.

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ssjevot posted...

Sony has what is probably the best PS2 emulator ever developed as evidenced by hacked PS4s. Should be easy to run that emulator on a PS5. PS1 games already had full software emulation on PS3, PSP, and Vita, so zero problems there. The only real issue I see is PS3 emulation.

And yet we barely see any PS2 games on PS4 and no PS1 games.
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That's due to whatever idiocy is going on with Sony's decision making regarding old releases. Japan has zero PS2 classics on PS4. The library of classics for PS3/PSP is also pretty different. I still rely a lot on discs for a lot of my old favorites.

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