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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 4:34:23 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
i think it's misunderstood and misused a lot. i think it is racist when it is used to imply or suggest that all white people have it better in life than all nonwhite people by default regardless of any other circumstances. in our society, do white people tend to have a leg up with some things? yeah, there's no question about that. but i think people sometimes forget that demographically speaking a white person, just like anyone, can be many different things and fit into multiple socioeconomic categories, not all of which have much privilege of their own, or are very conducive to capitalizing on the privileges of being white, or may even be underprivileged.

in short, a lot of white people have it tough too. sure it may not be as systemic or systematic as it is with nonwhites, but just don't go trying to assert that i have it made simply because i'm white. it's just not true.


But people aren't saying there aren't white people that have it rough. Just that, at the very least, their whiteness will never be a barrier or an obstacle to their success.


he knows nobody is arguing that. that's why we can never progress because these guys want to have hypoethical arguments instead of what we've actually got to work with. they stagnate the whole conversation.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/12/19 4:35:05 PM
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I always try to imagine what type of person can constantly make these topics, get devoured everytime, and then walk away not feeling like an idiot. I can never get there tho.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:35:22 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
But people aren't saying there aren't white people that have it rough. Just that, at the very least, their whiteness will never be a barrier or an obstacle to their success.


Unless the racists have their way and start excluding people who are "too privileged" like we already see happening

Otherwise what is the point of spreading this idea?
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:36:28 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Vol2tex posted...
I think people mean that, for example, a cop is less likely to harass you if you're white, whereas black people more frequently get pulled over or arrested or given lengthier sentences.

yes and i understand and agree with it when it is used in that capacity


But how is it even measured? How can you measure someone's privilege in a country town in Indiana by what happens to some minorities in a racist town in Alabama?
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Smashingpmkns
10/12/19 4:36:38 PM
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No. White privilege usually just means that, sure you might have some obstacles in life, but the color of your skin is never one of them.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 4:36:47 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
it was created by racist for racist and those complicit with racism. good thing White people coined the term and brought awareness to other White people.

White abolitionist were also seen as anti-White race traitors just like White people who fight for social justice today. a lot of clowns can't even differentiate between racist and racial. they conflate the two.

not all White people are cut from the same cloth. CE has a lot of cheap ass napkins.

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Vermander
10/12/19 4:37:04 PM
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I might not count since I am only half black, but I came from a family in poverty, and have been very successful in my life relative to my family. (I make about 30k more a year then the combined income of both my parents)

Never once in my life have I felt (except maybe in dating) that being a person of color has held me back. White privilege is something I've joked about, but as mentioned in the video above I think there are people who are privileged, and those who are not, and this has nothing to do with color.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/12/19 4:37:35 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
No. White privilege usually just means that, sure you might have some obstacles in life, but the color of your skin is never one of them.


That's a good one too. CE is a lot more wise than it use to be.
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nemu
10/12/19 4:38:30 PM
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Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/19 4:40:01 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
But people aren't saying there aren't white people that have it rough. Just that, at the very least, their whiteness will never be a barrier or an obstacle to their success.

it may not be the most common usage of the concept, but some people do indeed use it to assert things exactly like that.

as to whiteness never being a barrier or obstacle to success, well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action


You're going to have to show proof that affirmative action is preventing white students from getting into school on any significant level.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 4:40:24 PM
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nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


can you elaborate on the difference?
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:40:37 PM
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Vermander posted...
I might not count since I am only half black, but I came from a family in poverty, and have been very successful in my life relative to my family. (I make about 30k more a year then the combined income of both my parents)

Never once in my life have I felt (except maybe in dating) that being a person of color has held me back. White privilege is something I've joked about, but as mentioned in the video above I think there are people who are privileged, and those who are not, and this has nothing to do with color.


Some people don't want to accept that unless you are born with a serious illness or in an undeveloped country, you are the master of your own destiny.

To excuse their failures and to avoid doing any hard work they would rather blame another race for their problems, and if they could even justify taking what belongs to someone else. Because if you can convince enough people that something was earned unfairly you can then just steal it.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/12/19 4:40:40 PM
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nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


Is it not a privilege to not have a disadvantage?
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Philosopher_X
10/12/19 4:41:55 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


Is it not a privilege to not have a disadvantage?


He has a history of sympathizing with Nazis. I only remember because of the tag, haha
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 4:42:39 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


Is it not a privilege to not have a disadvantage?


LOLOLOL
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:42:43 PM
#67:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


Is it not a privilege to not have a disadvantage?


No, because the majority of the minorities won't have the disadvantages either.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/12/19 4:42:57 PM
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Philosopher_X posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


Is it not a privilege to not have a disadvantage?


He has a history of sympathizing with Nazis. I only remember because of the tag, haha


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averagejoel
10/12/19 4:44:37 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
White Privilege is same thing as Majority rule. It's just a racist take on it. So yeah

incorrect. whites were not the majority in apartheid south africa
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/19 4:45:31 PM
#71:


nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


But it is a privilege possessed by white people. Because historically and currently, those in power have been white. Therefore, those in power do not discriminate against white people.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 4:46:24 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
nemu posted...
Yes, it's part of the whole victim and oppressor narrative. There is nothing wrong with stating true facts like "white people are less likely to experience X on average, while black people are more likely to experience X on average" to show racial disparities in various areas. The issue with the term is that is seeks to ascribe the problem to some inherent privilege possessed by white people rather than a disadvantage possessed by minority races. When you have people actually saying "your white privilege" or "my white privilege" as if it's a personal trait people possess, you've completely lost the plot.


But it is a privilege possessed by white people. Because historically and currently, those in power have been white. Therefore, those in power do not discriminate against white people.


not for being White, anyway
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NeoBowser
10/12/19 4:51:13 PM
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white privilige doesnt get noticed by a lot of whites cause... theyre priviliged. they dont know what its like to be a poc. i dont either but think about it and listen to the people whites are priviliged in ways

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BignutzisBack
10/12/19 4:53:54 PM
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:54:18 PM
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NeoBowser posted...
white privilige doesnt get noticed by a lot of whites cause... theyre priviliged. they dont know what its like to be a poc. i dont either but think about it and listen to the people whites are priviliged in ways


By your own circular logic you could say poc can't understand the white perspective therefore they can't say there is white privilege. In either case it would be racist to say that someone can't understand an argument because of their race.

That is very much the definition of racism.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/12/19 4:54:45 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Medzzz posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQLifY4l_0" data-time="


LOL


That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
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Abiz_
10/12/19 4:56:38 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:56:56 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
Medzzz posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQLifY4l_0" data-time="


LOL


That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.


The reason it gets weaponized is because some people want to use it to silence any arguments they don't like. Or to justify taking opportunity and wealth.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:57:13 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


That is the intention behind the concept though.
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Prismsblade
10/12/19 4:58:42 PM
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It's a racist concept coined by racist people to ostracize, silence, devalue and dismiss issues, and or accomplishments of whites. While also building hate and envy among the others believing they've had a inherit advantage over them since birth.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 4:59:22 PM
#81:


Prismsblade posted...
It's a racist concept coined by racist people to ostracize, silence, devalue and dismiss issues, and or accomplishments of whites. While also building hate and envy among the others believing they have a inherit advantage over since birth.


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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:00:14 PM
#82:


Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?

don't let misinformed idiots set the course for your worldview.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 5:00:58 PM
#83:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?

don't let misinformed idiots set the course for your worldview.


You mean like the Ok symbol that you all now claim is alt right?
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BignutzisBack
10/12/19 5:01:33 PM
#84:


Abiz_ posted...
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


I think there might be some form of white privilege but it's nowhere near as much as people try to claim. It feels like they view white people as being some kind of collective where special privileges are equally distributed amongst every fair-skinned person lol

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/19 5:01:46 PM
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OnWingsOfMisery posted...
Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


That is the intention behind the concept though.


Nobody "created" the concept. It's something that simply exists because of how society has treated minorities vs how they've treated whites.

All people did was come up with a term for it.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:03:36 PM
#86:


OnWingsOfMisery posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?

don't let misinformed idiots set the course for your worldview.


You mean like the Ok symbol that you all now claim is alt right?


like how silently protesting a corrupt criminal justice system is somehow an attack on veterans.
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NeoBowser
10/12/19 5:03:43 PM
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OnWingsOfMisery posted...
By your own circular logic you could say poc can't understand the white perspective therefore they can't say there is white privilege. In either case it would be racist to say that someone can't understand an argument because of their race.

That is very much the definition of racism.


there is a big likelyhood white people arent able to relate with some stuff. poc still get rejected for job interviews because of their skin colour and any related prejudices. white people hardly ever experience that. it may be circular logic but it is reality and absolutely not fair

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:05:24 PM
#88:


BignutzisBack posted...
Abiz_ posted...
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


I think there might be some form of white privilege but it's nowhere near as much as people try to claim. It feels like they view white people as being some kind of collective where special privileges are equally distributed amongst every fair-skinned person lol


at LEAST show an example, because I've never ever heard that shit outside of people making post like yours, lmao
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/19 5:06:02 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
OnWingsOfMisery posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?

don't let misinformed idiots set the course for your worldview.


You mean like the Ok symbol that you all now claim is alt right?


like how silently protesting a corrupt criminal justice system is somehow an attack on veterans.


Which is especially funny when veterans are supporting his right to do that.
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BignutzisBack
10/12/19 5:06:29 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
at LEAST show an example


I mean you could always try re-reading your posts in this topic

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Abiz_
10/12/19 5:06:32 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?
It's a newish term. That I'm seeing over the media. That is being used in majority of the time one way. The professor/author doesn't matter at this point. It's out of their hands. Whether it was good intention or not. It quickly became a way to shut people up.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:07:56 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
OnWingsOfMisery posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Abiz_ posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
That shits definitely funny. The constant weaponization of it takes away from it tho.
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?

don't let misinformed idiots set the course for your worldview.


You mean like the Ok symbol that you all now claim is alt right?


like how silently protesting a corrupt criminal justice system is somehow an attack on veterans.


Which is especially funny when veterans are supporting his right to do that.


sure are!

Black veterans come home and still get mistreated because only the color of their skin matters. you can pay and overpay your dues in this nation and some loser with no life achievements still thinks he's more entitled to some shit, lol.
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 5:08:13 PM
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NeoBowser posted...
OnWingsOfMisery posted...
By your own circular logic you could say poc can't understand the white perspective therefore they can't say there is white privilege. In either case it would be racist to say that someone can't understand an argument because of their race.

That is very much the definition of racism.


there is a big likelyhood white people arent able to relate with some stuff. poc still get rejected for job interviews because of their skin colour and any related prejudices. white people hardly ever experience that. it may be circular logic but it is reality and absolutely not fair


Circular logic is fallacious thinking. How can you live with yourself if you are basing your view on a circular thought process that cannot be proven
wrong?

Your own circular logic works for white people who say poc can't understand the white position. Don't you see how racist that would be
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 5:08:44 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?
It's a newish term. That I'm seeing over the media. That is being used in majority of the time one way. The professor/author doesn't matter at this point. It's out of their hands. Whether it was good intention or not. It quickly became a way to shut people up.


They even trying to shut people up in this topic too lol
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/19 5:09:00 PM
#95:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
Abiz_ posted...
That is were I see it used. Maybe I would have a different opinion of white privilege if it wasn't used constantly to shut someone up or put someone down.


I think there might be some form of white privilege but it's nowhere near as much as people try to claim. It feels like they view white people as being some kind of collective where special privileges are equally distributed amongst every fair-skinned person lol


at LEAST show an example, because I've never ever heard that shit outside of people making post like yours, lmao


"Well one time I was walking down Martin Luther King Boulevard at 2 a.m. in the morning and 3 "thugs" jumped me and stole $15 bucks, so it's definitely proof that white people face as many obstacles in the U.S. as blacks!"
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:10:35 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
maybe you should take a look at the professor/author who coined the term and use it as intended?
It's a newish term. That I'm seeing over the media. That is being used in majority of the time one way. The professor/author doesn't matter at this point. It's out of their hands. Whether it was good intention or not. It quickly became a way to shut people up.


it's not new or anything even close to it.

being outraged over something you don't understand is exactly the type of thing that leads to these problems. don't blame other people. do your own research and use your own words.

we're all accountable for ourselves.

feel free to study Peggy Macintosh. that's a freebie.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/12/19 5:13:23 PM
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you got that right, lmao
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Umbreon
10/12/19 5:13:24 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Black veterans come home and still get mistreated because only the color of their skin matters. you can pay and overpay your dues in this nation and some loser with no life achievements still thinks he's more entitled to some shit, lol.


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OnWingsOfMisery
10/12/19 5:13:54 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
People in rural Indiana not understanding something definitely doesnt mean its not real


Disputing the racist concept that gets weaponized to silence people doesn't mean we don't understand it
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