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Vol2tex 10/10/19 8:09:51 PM #1:	Always John Connor's father? John didn't know his father and said he died before the war, but Kyle traveling back and impregnating Sarah makes him become John's father. --- https://imgtc.com/i/7cQjt43.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/8FM6Wui.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:928608995] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Always John Connor's father? John didn't know his father and said he died before the war, but Kyle traveling back and impregnating Sarah makes him become John's father.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 8:16:02 PM #2:	Time travel in the first movie works solely through bootstrap paradoxes. Kyle Reese fathers the leader that sends him back in time. John never knows his father because Kyle dies before he's born. The photo that John gives to Kyle is only taken because the events of the film cause Sarah to go to Mexico. I'm not positive, but I think John sends Kyle back because he already knows that's who he chooses to send back. I think it's only directly said in later movies, but you can also infer that John is the leader because Sarah trained him because she knew what was going to happen and that Skynet is created from the Terminator's discarded technology. The sequels muddy the waters a lot by changing the time travel rules, but it's relatively simple in the first movie. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928609208] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Time travel in the first movie works solely through bootstrap paradoxes. Kyle Reese fathers the leader that sends him back in time. John never knows his father because Kyle dies before he's born. The photo that John gives to Kyle is only taken because the events of the film cause Sarah to go to Mexico. I'm not positive, but I think John sends Kyle back because he already knows that's who he chooses to send back. I think it's only directly said in later movies, but you can also infer that John is the leader because Sarah trained him because she knew what was going to happen and that Skynet is created from the Terminator's discarded technology. The sequels muddy the waters a lot by changing the time travel rules, but it's relatively simple in the first movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 10/10/19 8:26:44 PM #3:	If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? --- https://imgtc.com/i/7cQjt43.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/8FM6Wui.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:928609632] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 10/10/19 8:27:56 PM #4:	Vol2tex posted... If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? Wat <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:928609671] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John?</quote> Wat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 10/10/19 8:29:00 PM #5:	Vol2tex posted... If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? First he arrives from the future, then he knocks up Sarah, then he dies, then he is born, then he goes to the past. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:928609712] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John?</quote> First he arrives from the future, then he knocks up Sarah, then he dies, then he is born, then he goes to the past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 10/10/19 8:30:10 PM #6:	DarthAragorn posted... Vol2tex posted... If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? Wat -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father --- https://imgtc.com/i/7cQjt43.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/8FM6Wui.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:928609761] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John?</quote> Wat</quote> -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 10/10/19 8:32:29 PM #7:	Vol2tex posted... DarthAragorn posted... Vol2tex posted... If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? Wat -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father Do you not have like the basic critical thinking to figure out how that works Because the logic is pretty easy to follow <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:928609835] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote> Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote> If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? </quote> Wat</quote> -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father</quote> Do you not have like the basic critical thinking to figure out how that works Because the logic is pretty easy to follow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 10/10/19 8:34:26 PM #8:	Vol2tex posted... DarthAragorn posted... Vol2tex posted... If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John? Wat -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father If you're asking how did the logical loop start, it didn't. It's one of the most common time travel tropes. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:928609902] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>If Kyle is John's father, how is he dead before the war if he is alive during the war and John gives him the picture of Sarah that motivates him to go back in time to father John?</quote> Wat</quote> -Kyle fathers John -John in the future during the war tell Kyle that he doesn't know much about his father, that his father died before the war -John gives Kyle that picture of Sarah, which motivates Kyle to volunteer to go back in time to protect Sarah, also impregnating her and becoming John's father</quote> If you're asking how did the logical loop start, it didn't. It's one of the most common time travel tropes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 8:36:09 PM #9:	It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928609956] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 10/10/19 8:37:20 PM #10:	Move it, Reese! On your feet, soldier! --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:928610011] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Move it, Reese! On your feet, soldier!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToadallyAwesome 10/10/19 8:37:57 PM #11:	There is also the theory that Skynet needs to send the terminator back in time to ensure that it gets created. As shown in T2 --- https://imgur.com/QKdxwuI <cite>ToadallyAwesome posted [p:928610038] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>There is also the theory that Skynet needs to send the terminator back in time to ensure that it gets created. As shown in T2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheoryzC 10/10/19 8:37:59 PM #12:	Future Kyle that impregnated Sarah is dead Present Kyle either isn't born yet or just a kid I'm guessing that's what you're asking --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. <cite>TheoryzC posted [p:928610040] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Future Kyle that impregnated Sarah is dead Present Kyle either isn't born yet or just a kid I'm guessing that's what you're asking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 10/10/19 8:59:26 PM #13:	Darmik posted... It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo. Which movie explains that part of it more? That's what I'm curious to see, it's just implied that that's why John gave him the photo. --- https://imgtc.com/i/7cQjt43.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/8FM6Wui.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:928610954] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo.</quote> Which movie explains that part of it more? That's what I'm curious to see, it's just implied that that's why John gave him the photo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 10/10/19 9:05:26 PM #14:	It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot. --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:928611183] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 10/10/19 9:20:04 PM #15:	KillerSlaw posted... It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot. Is Genisys worth watching at least? --- https://imgtc.com/i/7cQjt43.jpg https://i.imgtc.ws/8FM6Wui.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:928611769] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted...</cite> <quote>It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot.</quote> Is Genisys worth watching at least?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 10/10/19 9:20:48 PM #16:	Vol2tex posted... s Genisys worth watching at least? It's okay --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:928611798] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>s Genisys worth watching at least?</quote> It's okay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 9:27:07 PM #17:	Vol2tex posted... Darmik posted... It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo. Which movie explains that part of it more? That's what I'm curious to see, it's just implied that that's why John gave him the photo. It's definitely more of an implication in Terminator 1 but it makes total sense when you find out she's pregnant with Kyle's kid. I think that's when Sarah figured it out which then prepares John. There was a deleted scene that shows that the Terminator was destroyed in a Cyberdyne factory which also sets up Skynet. They end up using that plot point in Terminator 2. But the sequels eventually go all over the place with it and contradict it. Terminator 2 says there's no fate but what you make and it can be stopped. Terminator 3 goes back to it being a time loop but a time loop that can be slightly altered to delayed. Genisys goes with a new route with trying to alter the future before changing the past. But really the only explanation that ever made complete sense is the time loop. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928612072] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's a time loop. One that John Connor was aware of. Which is why he gave him the photo.</quote> Which movie explains that part of it more? That's what I'm curious to see, it's just implied that that's why John gave him the photo.</quote> It's definitely more of an implication in Terminator 1 but it makes total sense when you find out she's pregnant with Kyle's kid. I think that's when Sarah figured it out which then prepares John. There was a deleted scene that shows that the Terminator was destroyed in a Cyberdyne factory which also sets up Skynet. They end up using that plot point in Terminator 2. But the sequels eventually go all over the place with it and contradict it. Terminator 2 says there's no fate but what you make and it can be stopped. Terminator 3 goes back to it being a time loop but a time loop that can be slightly altered to delayed. Genisys goes with a new route with trying to alter the future before changing the past. But really the only explanation that ever made complete sense is the time loop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 10/10/19 9:28:55 PM #18:	"She's hot! I'm-a go back in time and smash!" --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:928612144] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>"She's hot! I'm-a go back in time and smash!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 9:30:32 PM #19:	He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928612214] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 10/10/19 9:33:57 PM #20:	MorbidFaithless posted... Move it, Reese! On your feet, soldier! I watched the first movie for the first time the other day and this line was so bad lol Probably gonna watch 2 soon. I've seen most of Salvation and Genisys on TV and I'm confused as fuck --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:928612342] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>Move it, Reese! On your feet, soldier!</quote> I watched the first movie for the first time the other day and this line was so bad lol Probably gonna watch 2 soon. I've seen most of Salvation and Genisys on TV and I'm confused as fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 9:36:41 PM #21:	EffectAndCause posted... He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals. The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928612460] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals.</quote> The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 10/10/19 9:37:40 PM #22:	The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:928612503] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 9:58:09 PM #23:	Darmik posted... EffectAndCause posted... He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals. The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming. I think the original John Connor became who he was simply through life experiences, he probably had a normal childhood up until Judgement Day but as we know, Sarah Connor was stronger than she knew so im sure John had those dormant personality traits and probably ended up becoming the savior of humanity naturally, rather than it being pre-destined like it was with the new John Connor. And he knew what that John would need to be taught, which he instilled in Kyle Reese to not only protect Sarah, but make sure A John Connor came to be, not necessarily THE John Connor (himself) since he knew that John Connor would have a different father. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928613315] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals.</quote> The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming.</quote> I think the original John Connor became who he was simply through life experiences, he probably had a normal childhood up until Judgement Day but as we know, Sarah Connor was stronger than she knew so im sure John had those dormant personality traits and probably ended up becoming the savior of humanity naturally, rather than it being pre-destined like it was with the new John Connor. And he knew what that John would need to be taught, which he instilled in Kyle Reese to not only protect Sarah, but make sure A John Connor came to be, not necessarily THE John Connor (himself) since he knew that John Connor would have a different father.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:02:25 PM #24:	EffectAndCause posted... Darmik posted... EffectAndCause posted... He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals. The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming. I think the original John Connor became who he was simply through life experiences, he probably had a normal childhood up until Judgement Day but as we know, Sarah Connor was stronger than she knew so im sure John had those dormant personality traits and probably ended up becoming the savior of humanity naturally, rather than it being pre-destined like it was with the new John Connor. And he knew what that John would need to be taught, which he instilled in Kyle Reese to not only protect Sarah, but make sure A John Connor came to be, not necessarily THE John Connor (himself) since he knew that John Connor would have a different father. Your theory is dumb. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928613486] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>He was not the father of the original John Connor, it was a self fulfilling prophecy. He went back in time, banged Sarah Connor, made a kid, she NAMED him John and gave him the personality that John Connor needed to have. Original John Connor and our John Connor we know in the movies have two different fathers and probably look very different from each other, new John Connor replaces original John Connor but has the same personality and ideals.</quote> The problem with that theory is the entire reason John Connor is special is because he's a time paradox who knew what was coming.</quote> I think the original John Connor became who he was simply through life experiences, he probably had a normal childhood up until Judgement Day but as we know, Sarah Connor was stronger than she knew so im sure John had those dormant personality traits and probably ended up becoming the savior of humanity naturally, rather than it being pre-destined like it was with the new John Connor. And he knew what that John would need to be taught, which he instilled in Kyle Reese to not only protect Sarah, but make sure A John Connor came to be, not necessarily THE John Connor (himself) since he knew that John Connor would have a different father.</quote> Your theory is dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:07:28 PM #25:	You have a small dick. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928613693] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>You have a small dick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 10:07:48 PM #26:	But there's nothing really in the movies that point to anything like that. In Terminator 2 they stop Skynet by destroying the T800 arm and chip in the present day. Even that indicates how Judgment Day and the war relies on the time loop. Both Connor and Skynet do not exist without time travel planting the seeds for their creation. That's the irony of the series. If we treat the new movie as the new canon destroying the chip and arm delayed Judgment Day by at least 20 years and that's with corporations having access to the future technology in the 90s. If there is an original timeline it would likely be completely different. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928613705] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>But there's nothing really in the movies that point to anything like that. In Terminator 2 they stop Skynet by destroying the T800 arm and chip in the present day. Even that indicates how Judgment Day and the war relies on the time loop. Both Connor and Skynet do not exist without time travel planting the seeds for their creation. That's the irony of the series. If we treat the new movie as the new canon destroying the chip and arm delayed Judgment Day by at least 20 years and that's with corporations having access to the future technology in the 90s. If there is an original timeline it would likely be completely different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:08:13 PM #27:	1EffectAndCause posted... You have a small dick. Just cuz that's true doesn't mean your theory isn't dumb. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928613723] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>1EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>You have a small dick.</quote> Just cuz that's true doesn't mean your theory isn't dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:12:41 PM #28:	Darmik posted... But there's nothing really in the movies that point to anything like that. In Terminator 2 they stop Skynet by destroying the T800 arm and chip in the present day. Even that indicates how Judgment Day and the war relies on the time loop. Both Connor and Skynet do not exist without time travel planting the seeds for their creation. That's the irony of the series. If we treat the new movie as the new canon destroying the chip and arm delayed Judgment Day by at least 20 years and that's with corporations having access to the future technology in the 90s. If there is an original timeline it would likely be completely different. I just think that society was heading that way regardless. Our reliance on technology combined with the rapid and massive leaps and bounds of what that technology is capable of, especially when it comes to automated/AI technology in our real world right now, its plausible that a self aware machines rise up scenario could happen in the original timeline even without the T-800 arm being found. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928613892] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>But there's nothing really in the movies that point to anything like that. In Terminator 2 they stop Skynet by destroying the T800 arm and chip in the present day. Even that indicates how Judgment Day and the war relies on the time loop. Both Connor and Skynet do not exist without time travel planting the seeds for their creation. That's the irony of the series. If we treat the new movie as the new canon destroying the chip and arm delayed Judgment Day by at least 20 years and that's with corporations having access to the future technology in the 90s. If there is an original timeline it would likely be completely different.</quote> I just think that society was heading that way regardless. Our reliance on technology combined with the rapid and massive leaps and bounds of what that technology is capable of, especially when it comes to automated/AI technology in our real world right now, its plausible that a self aware machines rise up scenario could happen in the original timeline even without the T-800 arm being found.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:14:01 PM #29:	Yeah, that's why your theory is dumb. You're ignoring everything the movie establishes to go, "Well, I assume this happened and think this could happen and if that happened then this might happened which would totally let this happen and then John specifically picks Kyle to go back to bang his mom and make a new John Connor which is hopefully better looking and with a bigger dick." --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928613939] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, that's why your theory is dumb. You're ignoring everything the movie establishes to go, "Well, I assume this happened and think this could happen and if that happened then this might happened which would totally let this happen and then John specifically picks Kyle to go back to bang his mom and make a new John Connor which is hopefully better looking and with a bigger dick."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:17:49 PM #30:	I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928614096] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 10/10/19 10:20:22 PM #31:	Have you like never seen another time travel story ever <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:928614176] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Have you like never seen another time travel story ever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:20:39 PM #32:	EffectAndCause posted... I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. You can think it's dumb all you like, it's what happened. It's a common time travel trope. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928614185] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb.</quote> You can think it's dumb all you like, it's what happened. It's a common time travel trope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:24:20 PM #33:	DarthAragorn posted... Have you like never seen another time travel story ever Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928614329] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Have you like never seen another time travel story ever</quote> Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:26:51 PM #34:	EffectAndCause posted... DarthAragorn posted... Have you like never seen another time travel story ever Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever. I agree. Similarly, I think killer robots are a dumb and overused trope, so I think Skynet is actually an ancient Sumerian god and all of the Terminators are piles of saltwater taffy animated with black magic. I know they don't show that in the movie, but it's plausible. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928614418] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Have you like never seen another time travel story ever</quote> Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever.</quote> I agree. Similarly, I think killer robots are a dumb and overused trope, so I think Skynet is actually an ancient Sumerian god and all of the Terminators are piles of saltwater taffy animated with black magic. I know they don't show that in the movie, but it's plausible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 10:29:45 PM #35:	EffectAndCause posted... I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment. Even if you're adamant there was an original timeline unaltered by time travel why would Skynet and John Connor necessarily exist in it? Could have been a person who accidentally brought back technology a time period wasn't ready for which eventually leads to the time loop of Connor and Skynet. At the very least Terminator 1 Judgement Day is not an unaltered timeline. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928614537] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment.</quote> Even if you're adamant there was an original timeline unaltered by time travel why would Skynet and John Connor necessarily exist in it? Could have been a person who accidentally brought back technology a time period wasn't ready for which eventually leads to the time loop of Connor and Skynet. At the very least Terminator 1 Judgement Day is not an unaltered timeline.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:34:41 PM #36:	pegusus123456 posted... EffectAndCause posted... DarthAragorn posted... Have you like never seen another time travel story ever Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever. I agree. Similarly, I think killer robots are a dumb and overused trope, so I think Skynet is actually an ancient Sumerian god and all of the Terminators are piles of saltwater taffy animated with black magic. I know they don't show that in the movie, but it's plausible. See, the other guy is actually discussing it, where youre doing the typical 13 year old I DONT LIKE THING BEING SAID approach. Ive clearly explained my reasons behind my theory, and your small dick brain cant formulate an actual response so you resort to lashing out. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928614734] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Have you like never seen another time travel story ever</quote> Yes, and its a stupid trope and lazy plot twist that doesnt need to be true in every time travel story ever.</quote> I agree. Similarly, I think killer robots are a dumb and overused trope, so I think Skynet is actually an ancient Sumerian god and all of the Terminators are piles of saltwater taffy animated with black magic. I know they don't show that in the movie, but it's plausible.</quote> See, the other guy is actually discussing it, where youre doing the typical 13 year old I DONT LIKE THING BEING SAID approach. Ive clearly explained my reasons behind my theory, and your small dick brain cant formulate an actual response so you resort to lashing out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 10/10/19 10:37:00 PM #37:	EffectAndCause posted... See, the other guy is actually discussing it, where youre doing the typical 13 year old I DONT LIKE THING BEING SAID approach. What's to discuss? Your entire idea is just a series of assumptions based on nothing more than you not liking this type of time travel plot. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:928614834] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>See, the other guy is actually discussing it, where youre doing the typical 13 year old I DONT LIKE THING BEING SAID approach.</quote> What's to discuss? Your entire idea is just a series of assumptions based on nothing more than you not liking this type of time travel plot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 10:37:31 PM #38:	Darmik posted... EffectAndCause posted... I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment. Even if you're adamant there was an original timeline unaltered by time travel why would Skynet and John Connor necessarily exist in it? Could have been a person who accidentally brought back technology a time period wasn't ready for which eventually leads to the time loop of Connor and Skynet. At the very least Terminator 1 Judgement Day is not an unaltered timeline. I just think that Skynet existed because a company like Skynet and AI like their AI was going to naturally come into existence with the direction our society was headed. And I think the original John Connor existed because he was just some kid born like any other kid but became a great leader the same way great leaders happen in the real world, life experience and the environment/people you grow up around and the values they instill in you. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928614857] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont buy that Terminator only happens BECAUSE of people coming from the future and affecting the present. The original timeline HAD to happen without any time travel, its not some endless loop, THAT is dumb. Everything I said is plausible. And he didnt specifically pick Kyle because of some psychic foresight, he happened to choose one of his soldiers (Kyle) that was available and willing at that moment.</quote> Even if you're adamant there was an original timeline unaltered by time travel why would Skynet and John Connor necessarily exist in it? Could have been a person who accidentally brought back technology a time period wasn't ready for which eventually leads to the time loop of Connor and Skynet. At the very least Terminator 1 Judgement Day is not an unaltered timeline.</quote> I just think that Skynet existed because a company like Skynet and AI like their AI was going to naturally come into existence with the direction our society was headed. And I think the original John Connor existed because he was just some kid born like any other kid but became a great leader the same way great leaders happen in the real world, life experience and the environment/people you grow up around and the values they instill in you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 10/10/19 10:43:29 PM #39:	pegusus123456 posted... 1 Just cuz that's true doesn't mean your theory isn't dumb. He's got you there. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:928615128] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite> <quote>1 Just cuz that's true doesn't mean your theory isn't dumb.</quote> He's got you there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wheelman1 10/10/19 10:48:51 PM #40:	au_gold posted... The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor. T3 did that already. --- XBox Live GT: MastaMez PSN: KoolMez The Topic Killer \_0_/ <cite>The Wheelman1 posted [p:928615355] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted...</cite> <quote>The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor.</quote> T3 did that already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 10/10/19 10:49:44 PM #41:	The Wheelman1 posted... au_gold posted... The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor. T3 did that already. I think every movie has to do it I fully expect Dark Fate or whatever to shit on him too <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:928615386] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>The Wheelman1 posted...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted...</cite> <quote> The main thing I didn't like about Genisys is how they ruined John Connor.</quote> T3 did that already.</quote> I think every movie has to do it I fully expect Dark Fate or whatever to shit on him too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 10/10/19 10:56:56 PM #42:	DarthAragorn posted... I think every movie has to do it I fully expect Dark Fate or whatever to shit on him too T2: Whiny kid with stupid haircut. T3: Whiny edgelord loner. Salvation: No personality. Genisys: ~~Robot.~~ Dark Fate: ??? --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:928615675] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted... </cite> <quote>I think every movie has to do it I fully expect Dark Fate or whatever to shit on him too</quote> T2: Whiny kid with stupid haircut. T3: Whiny edgelord loner. Salvation: No personality. Genisys: Robot. Dark Fate: ??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 10/10/19 11:00:09 PM #43:	jumi posted... T2: Whiny kid with stupid haircut. T3: Whiny edgelord loner. Salvation: No personality. Genisys: Robot. Dark Fate: ??? Dark Fate Spoilers: ~~Dead~~ --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:928615792] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>T2: Whiny kid with stupid haircut. T3: Whiny edgelord loner. Salvation: No personality. Genisys: Robot. Dark Fate: ???</quote> Dark Fate Spoilers: Dead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 11:01:03 PM #44:	They say Furlong has a small role. Are they really gonna have him die or something and thats it? Maybe theyll spin it to be that he didnt lead humanity to victory, but lit the spark that made someone ELSE lead humanity to victory? --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928615826] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>They say Furlong has a small role. Are they really gonna have him die or something and thats it? Maybe theyll spin it to be that he didnt lead humanity to victory, but lit the spark that made someone ELSE lead humanity to victory?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 10/10/19 11:08:47 PM #45:	EffectAndCause posted... Are they really gonna have him die or something and thats it? Maybe theyll spin it to be that he didnt lead humanity to victory, but lit the spark that made someone ELSE lead humanity to victory? Based on the leaks I've read, they just kill him off very early in the film to establish that the future has changed but not humanities "dark fate". He literally is nothing in the new timeline if they are to be believed Honestly, I don't know how anyone can scoff at the idea that John Connor came to be through time travel antics instead of just being a constant, every single movie since Terminator 2 has established that the timeline is constantly being altered. Dark Fate's trailers have said this is a thing that is going to continue. --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:928616109] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>Are they really gonna have him die or something and thats it? Maybe theyll spin it to be that he didnt lead humanity to victory, but lit the spark that made someone ELSE lead humanity to victory?</quote> Based on the leaks I've read, they just kill him off very early in the film to establish that the future has changed but not humanities "dark fate". He literally is nothing in the new timeline if they are to be believed Honestly, I don't know how anyone can scoff at the idea that John Connor came to be through time travel antics instead of just being a constant, every single movie since Terminator 2 has established that the timeline is constantly being altered. Dark Fate's trailers have said this is a thing that is going to continue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 10/10/19 11:18:53 PM #46:	Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 ~~melted in the lava~~. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:928616473] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 10/10/19 11:22:17 PM #47:	EffectAndCause posted... Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer. Officially? I don't think they've said anything. Unofficially from leaks? He was sent back to kill John, kills him, then goes off and lives a life with no objectives anymore, eventually growing a concious and feeling remorse for what he did, which is why he wants to help Sarah And yes, I really hope that isn't true at all because it sound stupid as fuck but that's what I've read. --- "Wait a minute...If I ever get a hold of you, I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor." <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:928616594] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer.</quote> Officially? I don't think they've said anything. Unofficially from leaks? He was sent back to kill John, kills him, then goes off and lives a life with no objectives anymore, eventually growing a concious and feeling remorse for what he did, which is why he wants to help Sarah And yes, I really hope that isn't true at all because it sound stupid as fuck but that's what I've read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 10/10/19 11:27:09 PM #48:	Vol2tex posted... KillerSlaw posted... It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot. Is Genisys worth watching at least? I thought so, if only for the fan service and sexy Emilia Clarke. It lags bad in the final act though. --- "Call me when you get a back-to-back-to-back-to-back. Why would I wanna be a rapper, rappers wanna be Shaq." -Shaquille O'Neal <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:928616738] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted...</cite> <quote>It was supposed to be a timeloop, but pretty much every other Terminator film has established that time is ever changing. The most logical explanation, taking all the films into account, is that movies we watch are not the first instance of a Terminator going back to kill Sarah, and that probably there was a loop before that one that resulted in Reese becoming Johns father that may or may not have continued on. I believe the Genisys films were actually planning on going further into this but...well...they bombed so they're doing a semi reboot.</quote> Is Genisys worth watching at least?</quote> I thought so, if only for the fan service and sexy Emilia Clarke. It lags bad in the final act though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/10/19 11:27:35 PM #49:	KillerSlaw posted... EffectAndCause posted... Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer. Officially? I don't think they've said anything. Unofficially from leaks? He was sent back to kill John, kills him, then goes off and lives a life with no objectives anymore, eventually growing a concious and feeling remorse for what he did, which is why he wants to help Sarah And yes, I really hope that isn't true at all because it sound stupid as fuck but that's what I've read. Oh good lord --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928616749] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer.</quote> Officially? I don't think they've said anything. Unofficially from leaks? He was sent back to kill John, kills him, then goes off and lives a life with no objectives anymore, eventually growing a concious and feeling remorse for what he did, which is why he wants to help Sarah And yes, I really hope that isn't true at all because it sound stupid as fuck but that's what I've read.</quote> Oh good lord</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 10/10/19 11:27:47 PM #50:	EffectAndCause posted... Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 ~~melted in the lava~~. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer. Side side question - do we know who sent back the T 800 to save young Sarah Connor in Genisys? At the cabin on the lake... <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:928616756] in So, was Ky... [t:78077654]...</cite> <quote>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>Side question: Do we know the details of the T-800 in Dark Fate? Obviously its aged, but the T-800 from T2 melted in the lava. It looked to be living a normal life in the trailer.</quote> Side side question - do we know who sent back the T 800 to save young Sarah Connor in Genisys? At the cabin on the lake...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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