Current Events > The Trump administration has facilitated genocide for hotel profits

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There are videos of Turkish soldiers beheading Syrian people on Twitter
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It wouldn't be a republican presidency without starting another war in the middle east.
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Hey everybody there is literally a genocide happening in real time today
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When you're right, you're right
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shhh, we're not supposed to hear about what happens after an abrupt withdrawal from a hotbed of ethnic violence that benefits Turkey and Russia

shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah but who cares about allies and genocide #maga2020

I think they care about it but in a radically different way
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Trump Supporters please tell us why you support genocide.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah but who cares about allies and genocide #maga2020

I think they care about it but in a radically different way

"that's what the Kurds get for not helping us in Normandy"

FursonaNonGrata posted...

That's a 7 year old tweet.

There needs to be compelling evidence if you're gonna make this kind of heinous accusation. That is not it.
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pls posted...

FursonaNonGrata posted...

That's a 7 year old tweet.

There needs to be compelling evidence if you're gonna make this kind of heinous accusation. That is not it.

Look who came in to defend this.
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pls posted...

FursonaNonGrata posted...

That's a 7 year old tweet.

There needs to be compelling evidence if you're gonna make this kind of heinous accusation. That is not it.

Yes it is
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pls posted...

FursonaNonGrata posted...

That's a 7 year old tweet.

There needs to be compelling evidence if you're gonna make this kind of heinous accusation. That is not it.

I know you only pretend to not understand the nuances of geopolitical capitalism but Im still gonna tell you to shut the fuck up.
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no need to get hung up on what the motivation is, point is there's zero chance that Trump's advisors didn't warn him what would happen, especially since they knew Turkey had already started mobilizing troops

FursonaNonGrata posted...

Hey everybody there is literally a genocide happening in real time today

What do we do about it?
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I have a little conflict of interest cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul. Its a tremendously successful job. Its called Trump Towers two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; its two. And Ive gotten to know Turkey very well. Theyre amazing people, theyre incredible people. They have a strong leader.
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One reason why the emoluments clause is so important.

But beyond that, this is horrible for the Kurds. I don't blame them if they never trust the US again.
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Musourenka posted...

One reason why the emoluments clause is so important.

But beyond that, this is horrible for the Kurds. I don't blame them if they never trust the US again.

Tbf. No country should trust the US after Trump presidency.
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You guys were previously clamoring to get out of the middle east, out of Syria, to stop being the world police. Now you want to go to war with Turkey. Which is it? Turkey is awful and the situation is awful, but let's not pretend that it's a simple situation. You're being really reductive right now.

Do we send troops in and go to war with Turkey? The Trump administration vowed to destroy Turkey's economy if they do this, so they were probably thinking they don't need to maintain a military presence in order to keep Turkey on a leash. Idk.
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pls posted...

You guys were previously clamoring to get out of the middle east, out of Syria, to stop being the world police. Now you want to go to war with Turkey. Which is it? Turkey is awful and the situation is awful, but let's not pretend that it's a simple situation. You're being really reductive right now.

Do we send troops in and go to war with Turkey? The Trump administration vowed to destroy Turkey's economy if they do this, so they were probably thinking they don't need to maintain a military presence in order to keep Turkey on a leash. Idk.

We shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place but that's no excuse for leaving our allies to be killed off by a dictator.

For a guy who hates communism, you are showing you have no problems with dictatorship if it's right leaning.
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So has Facebook. Think about that the next time you log into that place.

shockthemonkey posted...

pls posted...

You guys were previously clamoring to get out of the middle east, out of Syria, to stop being the world police. Now you want to go to war with Turkey. Which is it? Turkey is awful and the situation is awful, but let's not pretend that it's a simple situation. You're being really reductive right now.

Do we send troops in and go to war with Turkey? The Trump administration vowed to destroy Turkey's economy if they do this, so they were probably thinking they don't need to maintain a military presence in order to keep Turkey on a leash. Idk.

Posts like this that deliberately remove nuance in order to talk shit are stupid

Have you fucking SEEN the topic title and the first post? To reduce the complexity of a geopolitical situation like Syria to a one-liner communist hot take is the very DEFINITION of deliberately removing nuance in order to talk shit.

You are dishonest.
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I quietly cast my eyes to the setting sun and whisper to myself, "It was worth it for the epic tweets."

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pls posted...

You guys were previously clamoring to get out of the middle east, out of Syria, to stop being the world police. Now you want to go to war with Turkey. Which is it? Turkey is awful and the situation is awful, but let's not pretend that it's a simple situation. You're being really reductive right now.

Do we send troops in and go to war with Turkey? The Trump administration vowed to destroy Turkey's economy if they do this, so they were probably thinking they don't need to maintain a military presence in order to keep Turkey on a leash. Idk.

If every country on the planet was a communist country, there would be no war. We would all be at peace and the entire world would be utopian.
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pls posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

pls posted...

You guys were previously clamoring to get out of the middle east, out of Syria, to stop being the world police. Now you want to go to war with Turkey. Which is it? Turkey is awful and the situation is awful, but let's not pretend that it's a simple situation. You're being really reductive right now.

Do we send troops in and go to war with Turkey? The Trump administration vowed to destroy Turkey's economy if they do this, so they were probably thinking they don't need to maintain a military presence in order to keep Turkey on a leash. Idk.

Posts like this that deliberately remove nuance in order to talk shit are stupid

Have you fucking SEEN the topic title and the first post? To reduce the complexity of a geopolitical situation like Syria to a one-liner communist hot take is the very DEFINITION of deliberately removing nuance in order to talk shit.

You are dishonest.

This is the hill you want to die on
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only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

treewojima posted...

only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

Don't be dishonest. That was only in response to TC making this about capitalism in the first place.
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Mentioned in a deleted post. I guess "proving me wrong" because some videos on twitter are proving an actual genocide is taking place?

Is there evidence of an actual genocide?

treewojima posted...

only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

It's the only thing he has.
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pls posted...

treewojima posted...

only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

Don't be dishonest. That was only in response to TC making this about capitalism in the first place.

I read it more as a condemnation of shady business dealings with real geopolitical and human consequences, but whatever floats your boat, McCarthy

https://mobile.twitter.com/cspan/status/1176194996116086784
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treewojima posted...

only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

Defending ethnonationalist genocide to own the libs
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

treewojima posted...

only Proudclad would come into a topic about potential genocide in Turkey and start bitching about communists

Defending ethnonationalist genocide to own the "communists"

Ftfy
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Go to war, he's another fucking Republican warmonger.
Don't go to war, he's a heartless genocide loving prick.

Here's an idea: stay the fuck out of the middle east forever. It will never change and we've wasted way too many lives on it. Let their god sort it out.
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President Erdogan. Hes tough, but I get along with him. And maybe thats a bad thing, but I think its a really good thing. Because, frankly, he wanted to wipe out he has a big problem with the Kurds, as everyone knows. And he had a 65,000-man army at the border, and he was going to wipe out the Kurds, who helped us with ISIS.

-Donald Trump, less than 4 months ago.
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The best defense that Trump supporters can come up with is that they don't care what happens as long as Americans aren't being affected. They're a truly horrendous group of people.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

There are videos of Turkish soldiers beheading Syrian people on Twitter

Also is there definitive proof of this? Because one of the main reasons Turkey is on this offensive is to create a safe zone where Syrian refugees can go without being dragged to one of assad's underground prisons. They are also fighting alongside Syrian rebel forces.

So why the hell are they beheading Syrians now?

A_A_Battery posted...

FursonaNonGrata posted...

There are videos of Turkish soldiers beheading Syrian people on Twitter

Also is there definitive proof of this? Because one of the main reasons Turkey is on this offensive is to create a safe zone where Syrian refugees can go without being dragged to one of assad's underground prisons. They are also fighting alongside Syrian rebel forces.

So why the hell are they beheading Syrians now?

Why the fuck are you asking me to post videos of people being beheaded?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The best defense that Trump supporters can come up with is that they don't care what happens as long as Americans aren't being affected. They're a truly horrendous group of people.

Even Trump said yesterday that if ISIS prisoners escape during the attacks that they'll just go to Europe
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https://twitter.com/hadeeloueiss/status/1182296184456728577?s=21
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

A_A_Battery posted...

FursonaNonGrata posted...

There are videos of Turkish soldiers beheading Syrian people on Twitter

Also is there definitive proof of this? Because one of the main reasons Turkey is on this offensive is to create a safe zone where Syrian refugees can go without being dragged to one of assad's underground prisons. They are also fighting alongside Syrian rebel forces.

So why the hell are they beheading Syrians now?

Why the fuck are you asking me to post videos of people being beheaded?

Oh I'm not asking you to post them, I'm just wondering how authentic the source is. I know how these things go better than you may expect, propaganda videos from all sides are going to be posted and you only have the story at face value to go by.

Worth mentioning that the Kurds have 10K ISIS prisoners they were threatening to "release" (which is kind of a laughable assertion) that they will likely execute. How do I know your mystery video is not just that?

And hey, if we're going to post such "stories", I have one such case from a source that, while it agrees with your view that there will be a "genocide" that will take place, had some mystery caller (who seems to be close to the Kurds) talk about the situation a bit if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Uk2kL1NsU" data-time="

What the fuck is the point of playing devils advocate over something like this? Like Im genuinely curious why anyone would do this.
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We should have pulled every last soldier out of the Middle East many years ago. You cant stop or police a religious war.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

What the fuck is the point of playing devils advocate over something like this? Like Im genuinely curious why anyone would do this.

Well what am I expected to do? Just assume some genocide is gonna take place, or is taking place based solely on hearsay? And honestly I'm disappointed in Pakman and Sam Seder for just mindlessly peddling this narrative without any prior evidence, where usually their stuff tends to be more informed. Afrin wasn't a genocide, why? If the Turks wanted a genocide, they could have started there. Instead we have accounts of literally zero civilian casualties.

Second. It's not logical. So Turkey, with its Islamist leanings, and its housing a few million Syrian refugees, its soldiers from what I assume is a professional NATO army are "beheading Syrians" whatever that means, because some video on twitter?

Don't get me wrong, I hate that all this shit is happening entirely. But the narrative pushed here just doesn't check out. Turkey is literally doing this for Syrians, by and large. And I mean the Syrians that rose against their despotic dictator assad, not the Syrian army or their Russian allies, who are all pretty much criminals who massacred the Syrian people.

Obviously they have their own political agendas in addition to that of course, but Turkey has not, for the most part, acted out of malice towards Syrians. Even though unfortunately some of their actions did have bad consequences on the Syrian people.