Current Events > Tulsi says America should move to legalize cocaine and heroin.

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https://www.marijuanamoment.net/tulsi-gabbard-says-country-should-move-to-legalize-drugs-like-cocaine-and-heroin/

It's gonna be lit, fam.

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I'm on board but only if she lets me snort it off her butt crack
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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) says the U.S. should move towards legalizing drugs other than marijuana, with a caveat.

In an interview published on Tuesday, the 2020 presidential candidate was asked whether she favors legalizing drugs beyond cannabis, including cocaine and heroin, and she answered in the affirmative. However, she suggested that selling such substances should still be criminalized, raising questions about what kind of legalization model shes envisioning.

Ive never smoked marijuana. I never will, Gabbard said. Ive never drank alcohol. Ive chosen not to in my life. This is about free choice, and if somebody wants to do that, our country should not be making a criminal out of them.

So once were an adult, we own our own bodies and we ought to be able to poison them if we want? television personality John Stossel asked.

Yes, Gabbard said.

But you havent proposed legalizing heroin or cocaine, he responded.

I think thats the direction that we need to take while still criminalizing those who are traffickers and dealers of these drugs, the congresswoman said.

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shes not wrong

the netherlands did this and saw phenomenal improvement on OD's and crime
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Similar idea in Canada being proposed. By doing that drugs addicts can reach out for help from authorities with out being arrested.

No, because hard drugs like this will seriously damage your body.

But I agree with decriminalizing them and treating them as a medical issue.
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Next she is going to say that you shouldn't kill your local pedophiles.
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s0nicfan posted...

In an interview published on Tuesday, the 2020 presidential candidate was asked whether she favors legalizing drugs beyond cannabis, including cocaine and heroin, and she answered in the affirmative. However, she suggested that selling such substances should still be criminalized, raising questions about what kind of legalization model shes envisioning.

this isn't that uncommon for things, though afaik its usually the reverse (e.g., in lots of countries 'selling' prostitution is legal but buying it isn't)

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She's right.
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The whole point of marijuana legalization is that absolutely terrible drugs that ruin lives, incite violence, and inspire criminal activity (both as a matter of distributing said drugs as well as in order to pay for them) could get the necessary enforcement focus that it needs.

Do NOT legalize that shit.
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Solid Sonic posted...

The whole point of marijuana legalization is that absolutely terrible drugs that ruin lives, incite violence, and inspire criminal activity (both as a matter of distributing said drugs as well as in order to pay for them) could get the necessary enforcement focus that it needs.

I've never heard this rationale for it before

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moonijuana is fine. not so much heroin and cocaine. i hate that stuff it ruined my childhood (by living with people who took drugs).
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Balrog0 posted...

Solid Sonic posted...

The whole point of marijuana legalization is that absolutely terrible drugs that ruin lives, incite violence, and inspire criminal activity (both as a matter of distributing said drugs as well as in order to pay for them) could get the necessary enforcement focus that it needs.

I've never heard this rationale for it before

because its wrong

dude is high or something
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It's the reason I'm in favor of marijuana legalization. I think that police waste a lot of time, especially in low-level scenarios like traffic stops, busting people for marijuana and it's not really making anything better. Law enforcement should strive to improve society, not simply harass people over mostly harmless activities.

But heroin is very much a harmful substance to society in ways that do more than simply make the user unhealthy. Busting up some guy growing weed out of his closet is a lot less impactful than spending time enforcing the sale of hard narcotics and doing more to end that.

I do think slippery slope applies here and stopping firmly at marijuana as the last bastion of legalized drug is what we need to do as a society. There is no gain in making anything harder legal because there is no upside.

What I am in favor of is treating addicts less like criminals who need to be jailed and more like people in need of help. Especially in instances where someone is under the influence of a drug (like being passed out on the side of the road, which is something I've seen several times on Live PD) but otherwise hasn't done anything illegal that the police can attest to at the time of making contact. In those situations I think jailing people doesn't really improve the situation any more than cracking down on people carrying weed around in their car. I think the only reason people don't vote down legislation that criminalizes harmlessly being under the influence is because of NIMBY-ism.
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Alright, I get what she's going for after reading some of these posts. Not necessarily legalizing it entirely, but decriminalizing possession of it so you can get help if you want to without getting into legal trouble. It was kinda confusing ("I want to legalize them but still make selling/trafficking them a criminal offense."), but that's not a bad idea.
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s0nicfan posted...

However, she suggested that selling such substances should still be criminalized, raising questions about what kind of legalization model shes envisioning.

I interpreted it as "You shouldn't go to jail just because you're an addict, and possess some of it. But people should still be prosected for selling it."

Basically, punish the dealers, not the victims.
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I just realized I'm arguing what she's arguing. I think I got clickbaited by the title.
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Weed is one thing and technically we already have legalized opioids that affect the brain and cardiopulmonary system in the same harmful manner as heroin so I "get" her angle of decriminalizing/abolishing the stigma of illegal drug users.

Only problem is besides WTF, is why make even more harmful narcs accessible to everyone. Is she fucking high...
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I think only weed should be legalized completely. But other drugs should be decriminalized and have way lesser penalties. And no jail time for non drug traffic offenses, if you have a drug issue you should be able to get help from the government without worrying about jail time

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LostForest posted...

s0nicfan posted...

However, she suggested that selling such substances should still be criminalized, raising questions about what kind of legalization model shes envisioning.

I interpreted it as "You shouldn't go to jail just because you're an addict, and possess some of it. But people should still be prosected for selling it."

Basically, punish the dealers, not the victims.

that's how it should be done. you gotta kill the supply line. no supply = no drugs.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

No, because hard drugs like this will seriously damage your body.

So?

As far as I know, it's still technically legal to inject mercury into one's own eyeballs.

kingdrake2 posted...

LostForest posted...

s0nicfan posted...

However, she suggested that selling such substances should still be criminalized, raising questions about what kind of legalization model shes envisioning.

I interpreted it as "You shouldn't go to jail just because you're an addict, and possess some of it. But people should still be prosected for selling it."

Basically, punish the dealers, not the victims.

that's how it should be done. you gotta kill the supply line. no supply = no drugs.

IMO we do need some international cooperation on this one.

I was watching shows documenting border patrol efforts to control contraband on Netflix and, while they do seem to do a fairly good job at the border, I always wonder how much coordination they then take to trace things back to the source country. Capping the tap is more than just stonewalling contraband getting into the country, it's knowing what's happening that saw the package enter the mail in the first place.
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kingdrake2 posted...

that's how it should be done. you gotta kill the supply line. no supply = no drugs.

There will always be drugs

the reason there is a supply, is there is demand

people have always wanted drugs, hell, there are lots of legal drugs out there now.

legalizing things allows them to be regulated, brings the production above ground which significantly improves the safety, and also allows people to get help if needed

in conclusion: legalize drugs

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And here people are working on making vaping illegal lol

Okay to cocaine, but I can't get behind legalizing heroin. At least not to the point of legal selling. Addicts hurt far more people than just themselves.
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Decriminalizing them has been objectively a good thing everywhere it's happened, so...
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

And here people are working on making vaping illegal lol

Note that outbreaks of bizarre illnesses and deaths didn't occur until we began making flavored vapes harder to acquire.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, because hard drugs like this will seriously damage your body.

So?

As far as I know, it's still technically legal to inject mercury into one's own eyeballs.

So they shouldn't be sold as recreational drugs, which is what would happen if they were legalized.
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