Current Events > Remember when Donald Trump tried to make us less dependent on China

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And all the libs laughed at him because it (obviously) caused noticeable declines in the stock market at the sake of future independence from Chinese economy?

And now they're all getting mad because all these companies are bowing to Chinese demands because we're still painfully dependent on Chinese money?

No wonder these guys think free college is feasible
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People are mad when Trump tries to do something and fails miserably. Film at 11

libs
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All Trump is doing is making Chinese goods more expensive.
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Americans do not like selling their own values for Chinese money.

Trump did not go into a trade war against China because he is pro-democracy.

It's not the same.
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creativerealms posted...

All Trump is doing is making Chinese goods more expensive.

Pretty much this.

And he has quite possibly ruined a lot of the US farming industry by pushing China to look elsewhere for certain crops like soy beans.

Also gave said farmers about $28 billion to try to make up for it
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I'm pretty certain the TC self identified as at least a 'lib' not that long ago

AdviceMan posted...

Americans do not like selling their own values for Chinese money.

Trump did not go into a trade war against China because he is pro-democracy.

It's not the same.

No, but they will sell their values if that toaster oven is 90 dollars cheaper than it would have been.
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Duncanwii posted...

AdviceMan posted...

Americans do not like selling their own values for Chinese money.

Trump did not go into a trade war against China because he is pro-democracy.

It's not the same.

No, but they will sell their values if that toaster oven is 90 dollars cheaper than it would have been.

Sure. I can get behind the fact that if the American Citizen was asked to bear the brunt of pain to fight Chinese autocracy, they would be less inclined to do so. This would be hypocrisy.

This still does not make the scorn towards Trump unjustified, since his trade war with China has to do with a trade deficit and not about values.

TC is trying to calling out the hypocrisy that simply isn't there.
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AdviceMan posted...

This still does not make the scorn towards Trump unjustified, since his trade war with China has to do with a trade deficit and not about values.

Which is interesting because our trade deficit with China is higher than it has ever been now
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I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas

His "resistance to China" is impacting the US negatively, though
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No, I don't remember that at all.



If Trump was serious about isolating China he would have signed the TPP and strengthened collective defense arrangements in Asia. But like all dumb people, he's a nationalist who opposes free trade so he'll only help China in the long run.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

If Trump was serious about isolating China he would have signed the TPP

Signing TPP would have been terrible for America.

I'll add that to the list of dumb things to hate on Trump for

CableZL posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas

His "resistance to China" is impacting the US negatively, though

So?

Sometimes there is no option that doesn't have negative consequences.

Both WW1 and WW2 boots on the ground impacted the US negatively

The US (and other nations too) really should be standing up to China and we should be encouraging it, not getting mad at people who do it because rolling over to China might have some short term benefit for some fatcats
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas

The Spaceforce is a waste of money that serves no real purpose.

The idea of resisting China is good, the way Trump is doing it isn't.
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CableZL posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas

His "resistance to China" is impacting the US negatively, though

Walmart feels the pain but that is only because Walmart has used dirt cheap Chinese products to destory American small businesses for decades.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Walmart feels the pain but that is only because Walmart has used dirt cheap Chinese products to destory American small businesses for decades.

You do realize those products are "cheap" not because everything coming out of China is of poor quality, but rather because American companies want to make their products at the cheapest possible price? They directly instruct the manufacturers in China to use the lowest quality parts to assemble their products. If they wanted to, they could just as easily ask them to make their products with more expensive, higher quality parts.

After all, LCD TVs, iPhones, and even Tesla cars are made in China. I'm pretty sure they don't sell Teslas at Walmart.
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And speaking of the trade war:

Trumps Tariffs Were Supposed to Ding China, But the U.S. Economy Is Getting Hit 2.5x Harder

https://fortune.com/2019/10/08/trump-china-tariffs-trade-war-us-economy-impact/
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TrowaBarton7 posted...

You do realize those products are "cheap" not because everything coming out of China is of poor quality, but rather because American companies want to make their products at the cheapest possible price? They directly instruct the manufacturers in China to use the lowest quality parts to assemble their products. If they wanted to, they could just as easily ask them to make their products with more expensive, higher quality parts.

After all, LCD TVs, iPhones, and even Tesla cars are made in China. I'm pretty sure they don't sell Teslas at Walmart

They are cheap because the workers barely get paid fyi.

darkphoenix181 posted...

They are cheap because the workers barely get paid fyi.

Maybe 10-15 years ago. Now that China is the second largest economy, their middle class has grown considerably and they're moving towards a services/tech based economy.
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TrowaBarton7 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

They are cheap because the workers barely get paid fyi.

Maybe 10-15 years ago. Now that China is the second largest economy, their middle class has grown considerably and they're moving towards a services/tech based economy.

You are either someone spreading government propaganda or gullible to it.

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2183771/chinese-disbelief-us295-monthly-salary-makes-them-middle-class

Chinese in disbelief that a US$295 monthly salary makes them middle class
Statistics bureau gives rare official definition of middle income that is met with ridicule online, forcing it to clarify that it applied to a specific report
Many people in the demographic struggle to keep up with high living costs

China wants its middle class to counter an economic slowdown by spending more, but in reality many of them are struggling financially. Their plight has again come into view after the National Bureau of Statistics on Friday gave a rare official definition of middle income and it seems many people disagreed. The agency was forced to issue a clarification after its estimate was met with widespread ridicule online.

In its report on how different income groups spend their time in China, people who earned under 2,000 yuan (US$295) a month were in the low income category. Those on salaries of 2,000 to 5,000 yuan (US$295 to US$740) a month were deemed middle income, while a relatively high monthly income was 5,000 to 10,000 yuan (US$740 to US$1,480). Anyone earning more than 10,000 yuan a month was in the high income group.

The reaction prompted a statement from the statistics bureau clarifying that the middle-income definition applied only to the report. The term middle-income group mentioned in the survey results has nothing to do with income brackets in the general sense, the statement said.

Ironically the article discusses dentists, managers etc being poor.

Yet you claim a factory worker is doing good?
Spare me

trump still has his shitty hats made in china though.
and his daughter/lover runs sweatshops there.

so is he really wanting to hurt china?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Ironically the article discusses dentists, managers etc being poor.

Yet you claim a factory worker is doing good?
Spare me

The article says that people were criticizing a report that categorized a $295 monthly salary as middle income. Fair enough.

But then the article goes on to interview a handful of random people, including a doctor and manager, who proceed to complain that they feel that they're not making enough money.

Ok? This article is terrible to be honest, and offers no statistics or reports. Just the opinions of a couple of random people. That certainly doesn't represent 1.4 billion people.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

They are cheap because the workers barely get paid fyi.

The workers actually make much more than they would otherwise make, which is why they take the jobs in the first place and the global poverty rate is declining.

creativerealms posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I said this the entire time

Of all the things people got mad at Trump for doing, his resistance to China and the Spaceforce were stupid things to harp on about.

They are both good ideas

The Spaceforce is a waste of money that serves no real purpose.

The idea of resisting China is good, the way Trump is doing it isn't.

I strongly disagree. Space is the future. China, Japan, India are all working on space forces

Laws in space are liquid right now. We need to be ahead of the curve on this, not playing catch up

It's a super reasonable proposal
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ahead of the curb