Current Events > Supreme Court is FIERCELY DIVIDED whether EMPLOYERS can FIRE GAY PEOPLE!!

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The Supreme Court is FIERCLY DIVIDED after hearing arguments on whether a landmark civil rights law protects LGBTQ people from job discrimination and whether it should be LEGAL to fire people for BEING GAY!!

2 of the highly anticipated causes brought by people who were fired for their sexual orientation or transgender status took centre stage in the nation's highest court where 4 liberal justices are to side with the workers as it's now up to one conservative justice to side with them

But that may prove difficult as one conservative justice, Neil Gorsuch wondered if the court should take heed of "massive social upheavel" that could follow a ruling in favour of the LGBT community

The law at issue is a key provision of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 known as Title VII which bars job discrimination based on sex, among other reasons

In recent years, lower courts have read that language to include discrimination against LGBT people and the court is tasked if the definition of "sex" under Title VII

This also touched on sex specific bathrooms, locker rooms and dress codes and even a reference to androgynous character known simply a Pat on SNL in the early 1990s

Justice Gorsuch, President Trump's apointee said there are strong arguments favouring LGBT workers but suggested maybe CONGRESS, not the courts to change the law because of the upheavel that could ensue

John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh did not indicate their views although Roberts questioned how employers with religious objections to hiring LGBT peple might be offected if they vote in favour of this law

The first 2 cases involve skydiving instructor,Donald Zarda and country government worker in Georgia, Gerald Bostock who were fired for being Gay where Bostock lost his job for Clayton County after he played in a gay recreational softball league and lost his case in federal district court. Zarda was fired after telling a woman he was preparing to take on a dive that he was gay and was and also lost his lawsuit

The second cases involves transgender people and the bathroom issue where a trans woman lost her job when the employer found out

The Trump administration and lawyers for the employers hit hard on the changes that might be required if the courts rule in favour of LGBT people as the conservative justices think lawmakers, not un-elected judges should make this issue.

Justice Samuel Alito seemed to agree that Congress in 1964 did not envision sex orientation or gender identity and Justice Clarence Thomas had nothing to say

The cases are the first on LGBT rights since Justice Anthony Kennedy's retirement and replacement of Kavanaugh that pushes the courts further to the right on conservative issues as a decision is expected next summer at the height of the presidental campaign season

The Trump administration have changed course from the Obama administration and now supports employers rights to fire LGBT people where Obama said civil rights include them

Congress could easily settle the matter by amending Title 7 to include LGBT people but it would not pass the Senate

Do you think people have a right to fire people for being LGBT?

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Nice bait topic
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This should be an open and shut case. Unfortunately 3 of the Justices are super conservative and tend not to see homosexuals as people.
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Luckily a precedent has already been set on the constitutional level making it illegal to fire people because of race. I fully expect the Supreme Court to unanimously reject segregation based on sexuality for the exact same reasons. /s

Sirfetchd posted...

masterbarf posted...

Luckily a precedent has already been set on the constitutional level making it illegal to fire people because of race. I fully expect the Supreme Court to unanimously reject segregation based on sexuality for the exact same reasons. /s

You cant choose your race

Uh huh. Well you cant choose your sexual orientation either. But you already knew that.

Edit: Holy crap how is the poll tied? The trolls must be out in spades tonight.
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If it directly affects the success of the business? Yes. Otherwise, you're just being an asshole.

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them
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Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination
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Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

That's what they said about African Americans in the 70's. Spoiler, they still got hired.
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Well republicans want small government so might as well make it so employers can fire you for any reason even discriminating ones so long as they are PRIVATE employers government systems should not be allowed to.

At least that's what I see from non emotive eyes, through them even entertaining this is disgusting beyond words.
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Duncanwii posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

That's what they said about African Americans in the 70's. Spoiler, they still got hired.

Yes. Why is this an issue when they will still be hired?
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Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?
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Duncanwii posted...

Edit: Holy crap how is the poll tied?

There are always trolls, but there are lots people who are pro segregation based on principle. They'll even use the concept of separate but equal as part of their argument. Obviously separate but equal is never equal since the moment there are less options for somebody, there is no equality. Also every option has unique specifics. But people who defend segregation aren't exactly the brightest.

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

That might be true (but also it's none of the company's business so idk why they know in the first place), but that's also not a reason to say "it's okay to fire someone because they're gay."

Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

Yeah im sure they will go undiscovered forever. On the first event the people involved with the hiring process should be thrown in prison. No fines to the business just go after the decision makers.
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Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

Damn
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Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

Bigots are often pretty stupid and it can be proven.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

Yeah im sure they will go undiscovered forever. On the first event the people involved with the hiring process should be thrown in prison. No fines to the business just go after the decision makers.

You cant know what I'm thinking though. I just wont give you a call back and we both move on like professionals
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

Damn

Its called a hypothetical
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Yo why is it so easy for you to imagine a scenario where you dont hire people based on their race
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Yo why is it so easy for you to imagine a scenario where you dont hire people based on their race

I never said that

Sirfetchd posted...

masterbarf posted...

Luckily a precedent has already been set on the constitutional level making it illegal to fire people because of race. I fully expect the Supreme Court to unanimously reject segregation based on sexuality for the exact same reasons. /s

You cant choose your race

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I meant to say sexual orientation...dont act like this bro
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Companies should be able to do as they please. Dont like it? Get off your ass and start your own company where you can hire/fire whoever you want

Duncanwii posted...

Uh huh. Well you cant choose your sexual orientation either. But you already knew that.

That's kind of a confusing topic to be fair. I knew two people who were straight as kids when we were in middle school who are now gay.

As for the topic I think discrimination based on *insert protected class here* should be legal as long as it's somehow relevant to the job, e.g. an actor auditioning for a role as a character who's of a particular race or that Muslim who couldn't do their job as a flight attendant (iirc) since they refused to serve alcohol
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

That's kind of a confusing topic to be fair.

Its really not. Either you are gay or youre not. It isnt a choice.
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Duncanwii posted...

Its really not. Either you are gay or youre not. It isnt a choice.

So you never knew someone who switched? Because I did. I actually forgot one kind of, my sister had literally 3 kids with a male man of the penile persuasion and she's currently a lesbian.
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Why are you people humoring a september 2019 account? Look at userinfo before responding or you'll embarrass yourself.
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Duncanwii posted...

Its really not. Either you are gay or youre not. It isnt a choice.

So you never knew someone who switched? Because I did. I actually forgot one kind of, my sister had literally 3 kids with a male man of the penile persuasion and she's currently a lesbian.

Then she was in denial and eventually came to terms with it after a long time, but it isnt a choice.
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What the fuck? How did we get here???
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Duncanwii posted...

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Duncanwii posted...

Its really not. Either you are gay or youre not. It isnt a choice.

So you never knew someone who switched? Because I did. I actually forgot one kind of, my sister had literally 3 kids with a male man of the penile persuasion and she's currently a lesbian.

Then she was in denial and eventually came to terms with it after a long time, but it isnt a choice.

That's actually her explanation, she said she only did it because that's what she thought my mom wanted but that doesn't explain the two others, one of which I know for a fact was straight because she had a very obvious crush on me. Fully stereotypical lesbian now.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

What the fuck? How did we get here???

Because people forget to check user info. And some do check, but they're stupid enough to thinking that beating an account like that in an argument hurts the troll. But they're actually just embarrassing themselves.
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Gay people have entered relationships with members of the opposite sex due to social pressures and stigmas for likely millenia. It doesn't make them less gay.

Sirfetchd posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Medzzz posted...

If employers can not fire gay people they will not hire them

Thats also discrimination

You cant prove that's why I didnt hire them though so your problem still stands ?

If this becomes part of title VII you will be barred from inquiring about a potential worker's sexuality.

Not all gay people are obvious about it. And if you hire one only to fire them the second they come out, they can sue you for a wrongful firing.
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masterbarf posted...

Gay people have entered relationships with members of the opposite sex due to social pressures and stigmas for likely millenia. It doesn't make them less gay.

That doesn't at all explain the girl I described though, she literally had her friend ask me out for her and was upset with me until highschool for not dating her. This is after showing obvious interest in me for months. Either she's an actor worthy of an Oscar or she's actually the opposite case of the one you're describing (a straight person who pretends to be gay) which would be rather odd.

But I'm not really interested in how gays work beyond a passing curiosity, I'm just explaining how it's perfectly understandable that some people believe it's a choice
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Dafuq?! How is this even a debate in America 2019?! Its not even about a win for the LGBTQ community, its about their basic rights as US citizens! WTFF?!
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

masterbarf posted...

Gay people have entered relationships with members of the opposite sex due to social pressures and stigmas for likely millenia. It doesn't make them less gay.

That doesn't at all explain the girl I described though, she literally had her friend ask me out for her and was upset with me until highschool for not dating her. This is after showing obvious interest in me for months. Either she's an actor worthy of an Oscar or she's actually the opposite case of the one you're describing (a straight person who pretends to be gay) which would be rather odd.

But I'm not really interested in how gays work beyond a passing curiosity, I'm just explaining how it's perfectly understandable that some people believe it's a choice

Do you look at women or men and think "I'm going to be attracted to this person now. Yep. That's me attracted to them now."
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It's wrong that anyone can be fired for their sexual orientation, and most employers just give a bullshit reason why you were fired anyway.

Have never heard of any place firing people due to being gay, if they did a lot of people would not be quiet about it.
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wheredayayo posted...

Companies should be able to do as they please. Dont like it? Get off your ass and start your own company where you can hire/fire whoever you want

Fuck that. If you don't like civil rights, move to China.
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In the current "outrage" climate, would any business want to risk firing someone because they are gay?
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Darmik posted...

Do you look at women or men and think "I'm going to be attracted to this person now. Yep. That's me attracted to them now."

That's not a very good argument, there's a countless number of things I'd never be inclined to do. That doesn't make them impulses rather than choices
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Darmik posted...

Do you look at women or men and think "I'm going to be attracted to this person now. Yep. That's me attracted to them now."

That's not a very good argument, there's a countless number of things I'd never be inclined to do. That doesn't make them impulses rather than choices

If you didn't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, it's not reasonable to think same sex attraction is a choice.

What about gay people who suck at their job?
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Darmik posted...

Do you look at women or men and think "I'm going to be attracted to this person now. Yep. That's me attracted to them now."

That's not a very good argument, there's a countless number of things I'd never be inclined to do. That doesn't make them impulses rather than choices

Wut? What would they be if not your natural inclination?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Wut? What would they be if not your natural inclination?

Like I said, I don't concern myself with what makes gays tick, I just understand why people think it's a choice since I've seen what could really only be interpreted (without talking to them about it in depth which is considered a faux pas) to be evidence of people changing their orientation. I hope it doesn't seem like I have a stance on the matter though because I really don't
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Darmik posted...

Do you look at women or men and think "I'm going to be attracted to this person now. Yep. That's me attracted to them now."

That's not a very good argument, there's a countless number of things I'd never be inclined to do. That doesn't make them impulses rather than choices

I'm not talking about inclinations or acting on an impulse. Hell I'm not even boiling it down to sexual orientation.

Do you pick and choose who to be attracted to or is it something that just happens naturally? That's all I'm referring to.

I think if we chose our attractions life would be a hell of a lot more simpler.
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

masterbarf posted...

Gay people have entered relationships with members of the opposite sex due to social pressures and stigmas for likely millenia. It doesn't make them less gay.

That doesn't at all explain the girl I described though, she literally had her friend ask me out for her and was upset with me until highschool for not dating her. This is after showing obvious interest in me for months. Either she's an actor worthy of an Oscar or she's actually the opposite case of the one you're describing (a straight person who pretends to be gay) which would be rather odd.

I thought I was straight until late Freshman year in high school. Some people just aren't aware of their orientation until that part of puberty hits them.

Some people are also bi with a strong inclination towards one sex and just label themselves as gay to avoid confusion.

And of course you have the whole peer/social pressure thing where people will go so far as to start families before coming out due to not wanting to disappoint their parents.
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