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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:09:20 AM
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Co-worker of mine had too much the night before. Blew a 0.031 for a random. Possibly getting fired tomorrow. He's a great worker and knows his shit.

Hell give him a written warning saying if he messed up again he's fired. Even a week suspension if they feel they have to do something. But don't just fire him. He's a valuable member of the team.

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R1masher
10/05/19 3:10:30 AM
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Cop?
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Johnny_Nutcase
10/05/19 3:12:13 AM
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Where do you work?


Probably in a car to get a breathalyzer? WTF who does that shit randomly in an office????
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amzpeng
10/05/19 3:12:23 AM
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Drinking too much the night before work impairs your ability to work and reaction time, to be fair. The fact that he blew anything more than 0.02 means he was still affected the next day. He must have been wasted as fuck.
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Johnny_Nutcase
10/05/19 3:14:10 AM
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amzpeng posted...
Drinking too much the night before work impairs your ability to work and reaction time, to be fair. The fact that he blew anything more than 0.02 means he was still affected the next day. He must have been wasted as fuck.


Unless you're you need your hands for precision that's horse shit. I do my job better most of the time because I just want to get the hell outta there. The sooner the better.
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:15:23 AM
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We work in an oilfield lab. He probably was pretty drunk the night before. He's been having trouble sleeping so he got kinda hammered last night to knock himself out.

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amzpeng
10/05/19 3:15:38 AM
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Well I mean he probably knew the rules, not like they threw a curve ball...
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:16:16 AM
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There wasn't even really any testing going on so he couldn't have fucked anything up anyway.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:16:57 AM
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amzpeng posted...
Well I mean he probably knew the rules, not like they threw a curve ball...
He knows he fucked up. But to get fired when you have a basically 2 year spotless record otherwise is pretty messed up imo

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amzpeng
10/05/19 3:17:32 AM
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mattnd2007 posted...
amzpeng posted...
Well I mean he probably knew the rules, not like they threw a curve ball...
He knows he fucked up. But to get fired when you have a basically 2 year spotless record otherwise is pretty messed up imo

yeah I suppose, he should get a stern warning and maybe some type of probation
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:19:05 AM
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He'll have a chance to plead his case before final decision is made. But it is happening pretty much right away in the morning.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:20:11 AM
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A more senior member of the team suggested he could go through the substance abuse program, even though he doesn't probably have a problem. That sounds like a fair idea to me. They shot her down.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:21:20 AM
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Like why do we even have EAP when we have zero tolerance then?

EAP is employee assistance program if anyone doesn't know. Supposed to help you out with home life problems INCLUDING substance abuse. Apparently that's a lie.

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Johnny_Nutcase
10/05/19 3:21:44 AM
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Oil Field????? They're all drinking.
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:22:48 AM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Oil Field????? They're all drinking.
Exactly. On a given day you could breathalyze the whole facility and I bet like half a dozen peeps wouldn't be sober.

If he'd gotten injured or something, then yeah fire him. Completely black and white situation. But he didn't.

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Serious Cat
10/05/19 3:29:48 AM
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How many hours into the shift was he when he blew that?
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:32:22 AM
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Serious Cat posted...
How many hours into the shift was he when he blew that?
Probably like 4ish? So he definitely messed up by drinking too much the night before. But I think they could easily give him another chance.

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R1masher
10/05/19 3:35:34 AM
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Listen, just let him go, he fucked up and youre championing him, doesnt look good to management, and youre neck is on the block next
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:37:25 AM
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I really hope not. We need him. Long story short another lab tech has a good chance of being fired soon. But they deserve it for being a worthless pile of garbage. Stuff like on the clock while at home. Intentionally sabotaging other tech's work to make them look bad. Lazy. I have very little I positive things I could say about them.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:38:18 AM
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R1masher posted...
Listen, just let him go, he fucked up and youre championing him, doesnt look good to management, and youre neck is on the block next
You're out your damn mind. He's a solid dude and losing him would be a major setback for the lab. GTFO

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:40:31 AM
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Also with him gone there's only 3 of us including the worthless one. So yeah I'm not too worried about my job. They need me more than I need them. I could easily find a job doing similar work if I needed to. And they know that. I'm not even bragging. the fact that I have a chemistry degree and going on 4 years of experience in this specific kind of lab setting is pretty rare.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:41:26 AM
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Dude has a mech engineering degree. He's amazing at maintenance. I suck at maintenance in comparison to him.

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Serious Cat
10/05/19 3:48:39 AM
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Four hours into the shift and blowing a .031 means he probably showed up to work with a BAC of about .09. At that point it's less of a zero tolerance policy and more a guy showing up to work drunk.
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:56:02 AM
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Serious Cat posted...
Four hours into the shift and blowing a .031 means he probably showed up to work with a BAC of about .09. At that point it's less of a zero tolerance policy and more a guy showing up to work drunk.
Again I'm not defending his actions. He fucked up. But an otherwise basically spotless record over 2 years I think deserves a 2nd chance

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Johnny_Nutcase
10/05/19 3:58:34 AM
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mattnd2007 posted...
Serious Cat posted...
Four hours into the shift and blowing a .031 means he probably showed up to work with a BAC of about .09. At that point it's less of a zero tolerance policy and more a guy showing up to work drunk.
Again I'm not defending his actions. He fucked up. But an otherwise basically spotless record over 2 years I think deserves a 2nd chance


Agreed. He didn't wildly spin out of control and kill a bunch of skunks on his way to work so that's something to consider. He was that level headed. Ease the fuck up.
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 3:59:34 AM
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Hell at my old job back in the early 2010s a supervisor got in a physical fight with a company man out on location. He got a suspension, but got to keep his job because he was otherwise a really good supervisor. If you don't work in oil I think you just won't understand. It's a different culture. Hell even our HR lady is pretty informal. She'll cuss right along with the rest of us and make inappropriate jokes. She's awesome. Most other HR people I've encountered have been douches.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 4:01:37 AM
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I love the oilfield tbh. I've also worked in a pharma lab and fucking hated it. So stressful.

Lot of great people. Just a little rough around the edges. But aren't we all?

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 4:07:44 AM
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metallica846 posted...
I worked in pipeline and it wouldn't surprise me if every single hand working was half drunk in the morning.

Why did they decide to rando his ass? He probably had that booze stink still on him or his breath.
Just luck of the draw. He'd been randomed couple weeks ago too. The more senior co-worker I was talking about has been around a long time. She said for whatever reason if you get randomed once you keep getting randomed. He passed fine before. Oilfield does a lot of randoms because a lot of field peeps have to have CDLs. But they don't separate office personnel from field personnel. So sometimes you get nailed a couple times not too far apart. I've been with this company about 1.5 years haven't had a single one. First oil lab job did 3 years only got one ever. Co-worker of mine who doesn't even drink got like 5 randoms in the about same 3 years. It's weird.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 4:29:52 AM
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metallica846 posted...
I was fired for failing a drug test for weed when they sent me to Tulsa and I was working in a huge factory repairing equipment. Lots of heavy machinery everywhere. They said it was random, but I was super reckless and they obviously knew. Fired a week later when the test came back.
Yeah I dunno. This guy is real chill and knows how to keep his head down. Thinking it was probably just bad luck getting caught.

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Rika_Furude
10/05/19 4:36:21 AM
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depends on what it is

zero tolerance policy on say, violence (read: being punished for defending yourself), absolutely dumb

zero tolerance policy for say, smoking, perfectly OK
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Steve Nick
10/05/19 4:38:54 AM
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That's not an example of a zero tolerance rule.

In this case, your co-worker broke exactly the spirit of the rule, and the rule is working as intended. "getting hammered the night before" isn't a great excuse
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StealthRock
10/05/19 5:05:10 AM
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Hopefully someone with a promising career would not do things to fuck it up but hey, we are human.

I would assume he knew the rules. Sorry to hear he might lose hos job, but maybe he will learn to be more careful
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Irony
10/05/19 5:09:09 AM
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Protip: Don't get drunk the day before work.
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knutjob
10/05/19 5:10:32 AM
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Irresponsible drinking kills. Fully support this kind of thing.
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:25:05 AM
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knutjob posted...
Irresponsible drinking kills. Fully support this kind of thing.
Tell that to my coworker from my pharma job. Dude came in hammered every single day. But we needed him because on paper he was an amazing chemist. So management pretended they didn't know. He was basically kept on staff for his signature. Didn't do a damn thing when he would actually show up for work. Finally got fired after a whole year of that bullshit, not for drinking on the job, but for missing too much work. Life is fucking bullshit man. That dude made 80K for being a drunk asshole at work more or less.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:30:20 AM
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Meanwhile the rest of us made 35 K a year on salary. And you better believe we worked more than 40 every single week. Closer to 50 on average

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:35:23 AM
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Steve Nick posted...
That's not an example of a zero tolerance rule.

In this case, your co-worker broke exactly the spirit of the rule, and the rule is working as intended. "getting hammered the night before" isn't a great excuse
When you can't sleep for about a week straight I can't blame the guy.

I basically had a mental breakdown at my pharma job which included severe anxiety. Went 2 weeks straight averaging 2 hours a night. You start feeling like you're going crazy. If I hadn't been so depressed I probably would have tried the bottle too tbh.

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OctaviaMelody30
10/05/19 5:37:15 AM
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Don't drink on a work night...
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:41:59 AM
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Whatever I'm out. Johnny seems to be the only poster in here capable of seeing life as not so black and white. The argument as I've stated multiple times is not that he fucked up. Obviously he did and I've stated that multiple times. But to get rid of a great lab tech over a 0 tolerance rule is one of those shades of grey areas

Between this job and my old job I've done this for 4 years. I've seen a lot of really good techs and a lot of really bad techs. This guy definitely falls on the good side. He just made a mistake. Probably something most of you guys have actually made and not even realized it.

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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:46:47 AM
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Oh and Metallica too. Rest of y'all just stay living in B&W world

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OctaviaMelody30
10/05/19 5:52:38 AM
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mattnd2007 posted...
We work in an oilfield lab. He probably was pretty drunk the night before. He's been having trouble sleeping so he got kinda hammered last night to knock himself out.


I like you but this is definite yikes, dude...
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mattnd2007
10/05/19 5:56:45 AM
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It's the oilfield. If you haven't worked in it you wouldn't understand. It's not even weird to do that. Field guys at my old job would brag about how drunk they got the night before. Coming in technically still drunk was just one of those common things management turned a blind eye to. They took turns who stayed sober so they could be the driver in the morning.

I'm not saying that justifies it. But it's normal.

And no it wasn't some mom and pop operation. My old job was at halliburton. One of the biggest players on the service industry side.

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