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Raptornado
10/07/19 8:13:34 AM
#51:


UnfairRepresent posted...
How can you be a Christian for 30 years and not realize that the Christian God was never protrayed as All Loving in the bible. He's a vindictive and violent highly unstable figure.


He mellowed out after having a kid.
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Heineken14
10/07/19 8:20:53 AM
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The people who need some cosmic entity to dole out justice in order for you to be good really scare me.
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Kaldrenthebold
10/07/19 8:23:52 AM
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The standard "hur dur y be good if it no matter" junk. Useless jargon. People can be good without a book telling them how.
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ssjevot
10/07/19 8:26:07 AM
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If you think about it religion is a pretty good solution to sociopathy. Sometimes people literally cannot care about anyone but themselves. So you need to tell them someone is always watching no matter what and they will get eternal punishment or reward based on their behavior. Only by making it self-serving can the sociopath follow social norms.
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UnfairRepresent
10/07/19 8:42:58 AM
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ssjevot posted...
If you think about it religion is a pretty good solution to sociopathy. Sometimes people literally cannot care about anyone but themselves. So you need to tell them someone is always watching no matter what and they will get eternal punishment or reward based on their behavior. Only by making it self-serving can the sociopath follow social norms.

Not really since religion encourages and teaches sociopathy
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gna647
10/07/19 9:20:45 AM
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Did no one take basic philosophy in college?

Karma and justice systems have been established long before Christianity.

Human conscience is a natural occurring thing. You dont need an omnipotent god to feel some sort of guilt
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Oatcakes
10/07/19 9:37:18 AM
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Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


Lmao
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ThyCorndog
10/07/19 9:41:43 AM
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his gf and him both have a low IQ philosophy. hell is obviously not real, and if you "want" hell to be real then you belong there. hell is an awful place and no finite being deserves an eternity of torment

that's why it's not real even if there is a god. because any omniscient being knows someone who's only around for a century or less doesn't deserve to be tortured for the rest of time. even our ridiculous justice system doesn't do sentences that last literally forever
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LordRazziel
10/07/19 9:50:37 AM
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EndOfDiscOne
10/07/19 9:56:36 AM
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Guess I'll pass on the Breaking Bad movie
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hockeybub89
10/07/19 10:06:24 AM
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ssjevot posted...
3deep5u posted...
TwigsthePnoDude posted...
That's not the problem with atheism, the problem is how do you know god(s) never existed.

And the answer is you don't, and that doesn't warrant belief in them either.


Yeah this is basic null hypothesis stuff. You default to it not being true. Otherwise you have endless gods, gnomes, space turtles, etc. you would have to assume exist. You can't just assume every possible thing exists. The default is to assume it doesn't until presented with objective evidence it does.

It seems pretty simple to you and I, but people want to scream about someone being a stuck up atheist when they say this is why they don't believe.

If you don't have any evidence that something exists, then it basically does not exist until it there is evidence it does. Apparently people understand that just fine until it comes to the religions du jour. Then we're supposed to assume existence or go 50/50 on it.

We would never have an explanation of anything and no one would have opinions if we always went "Well, have you considered things no one knows? Maybe something impossible is the cause of X. Maybe physics are wrong. Maybe ghosts did it."

We humans are so scared of the words "I don't know". No reason we can't stick to null hypotheses until proven otherwise. What is the point of faith in the unknown?
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ThyCorndog
10/07/19 10:07:33 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
ssjevot posted...
3deep5u posted...
TwigsthePnoDude posted...
That's not the problem with atheism, the problem is how do you know god(s) never existed.

And the answer is you don't, and that doesn't warrant belief in them either.


Yeah this is basic null hypothesis stuff. You default to it not being true. Otherwise you have endless gods, gnomes, space turtles, etc. you would have to assume exist. You can't just assume every possible thing exists. The default is to assume it doesn't until presented with objective evidence it does.

It seems pretty simple to you and I, but people want to scream about someone being a stuck up atheist when they say this is why they don't believe.

If you don't have any evidence that something exists, then it basically does not exist until it there is evidence it does. Apparently people understand that just fine until it comes to the religions du jour. Then we're supposed to assume existence or go 50/50 on it.

We would never have an explanation of anything and no one would have opinions if we always went "Well, have you considered things no one knows? Maybe something impossible is the cause of X. Maybe physics are wrong. Maybe ghosts did it."

We humans are so scared of the words "I don't know". No reason we can't stick to null hypotheses until proven otherwise.

ye. this is why I say I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know, but I don't believe
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Wewillrocku
10/07/19 10:27:59 AM
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"how do you know my invisible, three in one, vengeful god doesn't exist?"
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hockeybub89
10/07/19 10:35:12 AM
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Wewillrocku posted...
"how do you know my invisible, three in one, vengeful god doesn't exist?"

"Because there is no proof he does"

"So you're saying there's a chance, but you're assuming he doesn't? Arrogant atheist much?"

Yet religious people will scoff at some goofball who believes in aligning their chakras or the validity of astrology.
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Skye Reynolds
10/07/19 10:36:30 AM
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A need for justice should not define what you believe or don't believe. If you believe in God, that's great, so do I. If you don't, you don't.

Don't go chasing after something you don't believe in or can't bring yourself to believe in just because you feel a need for justice. It's like looking at a history book and trying to explain how things all worked out for the best of humankind. Sometimes, tragedies happen for which there is no justice and no solace.
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SSMajinVegeta2
10/07/19 11:04:25 AM
#66:


coh posted...
Well I mean yeah atheism is really problematic when you think about it. Who makes the rules? Who decides what's right or wrong?


Well hopefully people left to their own devices...does seem better when people have a reason to be good.

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pls
10/07/19 11:07:01 AM
#67:


Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


How so?
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creativerealms
10/07/19 11:08:05 AM
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His fualt for not knowing what atheism even is.
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hockeybub89
10/07/19 11:13:00 AM
#69:


Skye Reynolds posted...
Sometimes, tragedies happen for which there is no justice and no solace.

Kinda fucks with the whole loving and all-powerful God theory, though
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SSMajinVegeta2
10/07/19 11:22:37 AM
#70:


hockeybub89 posted...
Kinda fucks with the whole loving and all-powerful God theory, though


But without freedom of choice we arent free.

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hockeybub89
10/07/19 11:24:27 AM
#71:


SSMajinVegeta2 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Kinda fucks with the whole loving and all-powerful God theory, though


But without freedom of choice we arent free.

Victims of tragedies don't have much freedom of choice
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Ilishe
10/07/19 11:32:54 AM
#72:


pls posted...
Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


How so?


Atheism has no explanation for anything. Atheism is belief in non-belief. Atheism seeks no answers and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited. It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania. Atheism is useless.
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Prestoff
10/07/19 11:35:14 AM
#73:


Ilishe posted...
pls posted...
Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


How so?


Atheism has no explanation for anything. Atheism is belief in non-belief. Atheism seeks no answers and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited. It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania. Atheism is useless.


I dont think you know what atheism is. Its simple an answer to one question. Anything else (such as philosophy) is up to the individual.
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Geist des Durcheinan
10/07/19 11:49:37 AM
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All he's stating are things that he would like to believe.

It doesn't matter what you wish was true, it only matters what IS true.

What he wishes were true is irrelivant.
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Crescente
10/07/19 12:00:16 PM
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If god exists, he either doesnt care about humanity, or he's actually evil.

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Dragonblade01
10/07/19 12:21:06 PM
#77:


SSMajinVegeta2 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Kinda fucks with the whole loving and all-powerful God theory, though


But without freedom of choice we arent free.

Honestly, if the alternative to freedom would be perfect benevolent outcomes, then fuck freedom, lol
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AdmiralStiff
10/07/19 12:27:21 PM
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UnfairRepresent
10/07/19 12:37:38 PM
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AdmiralStiff posted...
gFevqwU

I didn't link to anything
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Oatcakes
10/07/19 12:40:28 PM
#80:


Ilishe posted...
pls posted...
Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


How so?


Atheism has no explanation for anything. Atheism is belief in non-belief. Atheism seeks no answers and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited. It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania. Atheism is useless.


Arrogant like claiming to know the answer like every religion?
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Dragonblade01
10/07/19 12:50:23 PM
#81:


Atheism has no explanation for anything.

Correct, and it doesn't need to.

Atheism is belief in non-belief.

It's only non-belief, not belief in non-belief.

Atheism seeks no answers

That depends on the atheist.

and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

It cannot, because it is non-belief.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited.

Again, depends on the atheist.

It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania.

It cannot, because it's not a philosophical outlook.

Atheism is useless.

In an ideal world, sure.
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YookaLaylee
10/07/19 1:39:38 PM
#82:


Ilishe posted...
Atheism has no explanation for anything. Atheism is belief in non-belief. Atheism seeks no answers and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited. It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania. Atheism is useless.
If anything, religious people seek no answers because they just accept everything they read in some old books as the truth without giving it any thought. Atheism doesnt make any arrogant or conceited claims. It just means that you doubt the existence of God.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
10/07/19 6:42:53 PM
#83:


Ilishe posted...
pls posted...
Ilishe posted...
Atheism is patently ridiculous. Atheists are ignorant and thoughtless.


How so?


Atheism has no explanation for anything. Atheism is belief in non-belief. Atheism seeks no answers and hides behind an ignorant 'there is nothing beyond human understanding'.

Atheism is arrogant and conceited. It is a philosophical outlook that begins and ends in egomania. Atheism is useless.

It's actually impressive how well every part of this rant represents religion better than atheism. Well, aside from the second sentence; religion eschews knowledge rather than belief.
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Darmik
10/07/19 7:16:50 PM
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Pretty weird comment to make.

Walter didn't need cosmic justice to have his comeuppance. His family ended up hating him and he ruined the lives of those around him. Is that not enough of a reason to be good?
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UnfairRepresent
10/08/19 1:43:09 AM
#85:


Darmik posted...
Pretty weird comment to make.

Walter didn't need cosmic justice to have his comeuppance. His family ended up hating him and he ruined the lives of those around him. Is that not enough of a reason to be good?

Or did he?

Jack and Gus appearing out of the ether seemed pretty contrived, almost like someone was out for him
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vigorm0rtis
10/08/19 1:45:12 AM
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Yeah, there's a type that is. Anything taken to a weird extreme is bad.

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UnfairRepresent
10/09/19 3:42:42 AM
#87:


vigorm0rtis posted...
Yeah, there's a type that is. Anything taken to a weird extreme is bad.

Extremes are bad
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Oatcakes
10/09/19 12:15:11 PM
#88:


UnfairRepresent posted...
vigorm0rtis posted...
Yeah, there's a type that is. Anything taken to a weird extreme is bad.

Extremes are bad


What about someone being extremely attractive?
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Wewillrocku
10/09/19 12:16:29 PM
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what about being extremely extreme? is that bad too? kek i found a loophole to the rules.
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Machete
10/09/19 12:23:43 PM
#90:


Wewillrocku posted...
kek


?
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UnfairRepresent
10/09/19 12:26:17 PM
#91:


Machete posted...
Wewillrocku posted...
kek


?

it means lol

originates from World of Warcraft were Lol comes up as "kek" in text if Said by an Orc to an alliance player
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Machete
10/09/19 12:29:00 PM
#92:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Machete posted...
Wewillrocku posted...
kek


?

it means lol

originates from World of Warcraft were Lol comes up as "kek" in text if Said by an Orc to an alliance player


It just auto-changes it to that?
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UnfairRepresent
10/09/19 1:38:13 PM
#93:


Machete posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Machete posted...
Wewillrocku posted...
kek


?

it means lol

originates from World of Warcraft were Lol comes up as "kek" in text if Said by an Orc to an alliance player


It just auto-changes it to that?

Yes.

The idea is that all Horde players speak Orcish and all alliance players speak Common

so if an Alliance player says something its gibberish to a horde player and vice versa

As such "Lol" becomes "Kek"
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Machete
10/09/19 1:54:08 PM
#94:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Machete posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Machete posted...
Wewillrocku posted...
kek


?

it means lol

originates from World of Warcraft were Lol comes up as "kek" in text if Said by an Orc to an alliance player


It just auto-changes it to that?

Yes.

The idea is that all Horde players speak Orcish and all alliance players speak Common

so if an Alliance player says something its gibberish to a horde player and vice versa

As such "Lol" becomes "Kek"


Oh neat. I've never played it, so that's good to know. I had thought it was just some lazy alt-right meme but that's actually kinda interesting.
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