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HylianFox 10/02/19 5:02:00 PM #1:	are we supposed to root for him? I mean, with most "villain is the main character" films they're usually slasher flicks where all the other characters are shallow stereotypes you want to see get axed --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:928246222] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>are we supposed to root for him? I mean, with most "villain is the main character" films they're usually slasher flicks where all the other characters are shallow stereotypes you want to see get axed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/02/19 5:03:27 PM #2:	HylianFox posted... are we supposed to root for him? no. the makers of the movie have said he's not meant to be a hero. the opening of the movie, and what we see in the trailer makes it come across as sympathetic but supposedly in the full movie, by the end of it, he's not meant to be rooted for. at most, I think we are meant to mourn the person he used to be <cite>Zikten posted [p:928246270] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>are we supposed to root for him?</quote> no. the makers of the movie have said he's not meant to be a hero. the opening of the movie, and what we see in the trailer makes it come across as sympathetic but supposedly in the full movie, by the end of it, he's not meant to be rooted for. at most, I think we are meant to mourn the person he used to be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 10/02/19 5:04:15 PM #3:	rooting for fictional character confuses me there is only one outcome --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:928246308] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>rooting for fictional character confuses me there is only one outcome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 10/02/19 5:06:03 PM #4:	Do people not understand what a protagonist is? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:928246383] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Do people not understand what a protagonist is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/02/19 5:06:29 PM #5:	LightHawKnight posted... Do people not understand what a protagonist is? many people mistake "protaganist" for "hero" <cite>Zikten posted [p:928246398] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Do people not understand what a protagonist is?</quote> many people mistake "protaganist" for "hero"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 10/02/19 5:06:37 PM #6:	What did you think of Taxi Driver? --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:928246407] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>What did you think of Taxi Driver?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheoryzC 10/02/19 5:08:07 PM #7:	Watch the movie and see for yourself --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. <cite>TheoryzC posted [p:928246460] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Watch the movie and see for yourself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 10/02/19 5:08:20 PM #8:	its just a non-cannon movie about a character that exists. it could have been about any character. don't name him joker. name him billy the clown. don't go into it with the thought of Joker as a villain in batman. its not meant to be that. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:928246472] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>its just a non-cannon movie about a character that exists. it could have been about any character. don't name him joker. name him billy the clown. don't go into it with the thought of Joker as a villain in batman. its not meant to be that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 10/02/19 5:08:43 PM #9:	Zikten posted... many people mistake "protaganist" for "hero" Most protagonists are likable even if they're pieces of shit. Its understandable that he might feel conflicted about liking someone like The Joker --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:928246486] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>many people mistake "protaganist" for "hero"</quote>Most protagonists are likable even if they're pieces of shit. Its understandable that he might feel conflicted about liking someone like The Joker </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 10/02/19 5:09:42 PM #10:	At the end of the day hes not treated differently than most of Batmans other villains. Tragic backstory but theyre still, at the end of the day, evil. --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:928246524] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>At the end of the day hes not treated differently than most of Batmans other villains. Tragic backstory but theyre still, at the end of the day, evil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DDirtyDastard 10/02/19 5:09:49 PM #11:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... What did you think of Taxi Driver? One of the best movies of all time. <cite>DDirtyDastard posted [p:928246529] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted...</cite> <quote>What did you think of Taxi Driver?</quote> One of the best movies of all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/02/19 5:10:38 PM #12:	No, just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean he's the hero. This isn't confusing --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:928246558] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>No, just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean he's the hero. This isn't confusing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phewfus 10/02/19 5:12:36 PM #13:	You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide. <cite>Phewfus posted [p:928246624] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/02/19 5:12:57 PM #14:	AlisLandale posted... Tragic backstory but theyre still, at the end of the day, evil. No one will give a shit about this. They will only care about the turn. They will not give a shit about the end resolution. It's just like in Fight Club people don't give a shit that at the end, they definitely made Tyler the bad guy and the Narrator realizing the errors of his ways. All the people cared about was why and how the Narrator changed because of society. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:928246636] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Tragic backstory but theyre still, at the end of the day, evil.</quote> No one will give a shit about this. They will only care about the turn. They will not give a shit about the end resolution. It's just like in Fight Club people don't give a shit that at the end, they definitely made Tyler the bad guy and the Narrator realizing the errors of his ways. All the people cared about was why and how the Narrator changed because of society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 10/02/19 5:13:49 PM #15:	Why are they making a movie about a character from Full Metal Jacket <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:928246675] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Why are they making a movie about a character from Full Metal Jacket </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/02/19 5:14:10 PM #16:	Some protagonists are bad people like Tony Soprano and Walter White but people can sympathize since they can be somewhat relatable. Arthur as the Joker isn't supposed to be relatable. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:928246688] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Some protagonists are bad people like Tony Soprano and Walter White but people can sympathize since they can be somewhat relatable. Arthur as the Joker isn't supposed to be relatable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/02/19 5:14:23 PM #17:	Phewfus posted... You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide. I'm pretty sure the movie is tryna make you condone him and people can relate. Why else you think this poster exist? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:928246698] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Phewfus posted...</cite> <quote>You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide.</quote> I'm pretty sure the movie is tryna make you condone him and people can relate. Why else you think this poster exist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phewfus 10/02/19 5:19:56 PM #18:	Veggeta X posted... Phewfus posted... You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide. I'm pretty sure the movie is tryna make you condone him and people can relate. Why else you think this poster exist? Trolling from edgy teenagers? I remember seeing that back around when the Dark Knight came out in 2008 <cite>Phewfus posted [p:928246936] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>Phewfus posted...</cite> <quote>You're meant to be understanding of why he is the way he is, not to condone the crap he does. Killmonger was a black supremacist, but everyone was saying how sympathetic he was. Same with Thanos, and he practiced genocide.</quote> I'm pretty sure the movie is tryna make you condone him and people can relate. Why else you think this poster exist? </quote> Trolling from edgy teenagers? I remember seeing that back around when the Dark Knight came out in 2008</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 10/02/19 5:55:39 PM #20:	It's the same sentiment. The movie wants you to understand the joker and why he changed because society done fucked him over. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:928248500] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>It's the same sentiment. The movie wants you to understand the joker and why he changed because society done fucked him over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/02/19 6:08:47 PM #21:	Veggeta X posted... It's the same sentiment. The movie wants you to understand the joker and why he changed because society done fucked him over. Understanding and condoning are different things tho --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:928249030] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>It's the same sentiment. The movie wants you to understand the joker and why he changed because society done fucked him over.</quote> Understanding and condoning are different things tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/02/19 6:17:45 PM #22:	The Killing Joke made the Joker origin sympathetic decades ago. The issue has always been what he turns into after he snaps. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:928249401] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>The Killing Joke made the Joker origin sympathetic decades ago. The issue has always been what he turns into after he snaps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/02/19 6:27:11 PM #23:	The look at the trailers. It screams what I mean. He's a normal guy tryna survive the world but it keeps testing him and keeps beating him down until he finally transform. It's not his fault he becomes a monster, it's society's fault. Everything he does is just revenge at this point and it is supposed to be justified. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:928249802] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>The look at the trailers. It screams what I mean. He's a normal guy tryna survive the world but it keeps testing him and keeps beating him down until he finally transform. It's not his fault he becomes a monster, it's society's fault. Everything he does is just revenge at this point and it is supposed to be justified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ultima Dragon 10/02/19 6:30:50 PM #24:	Zikten posted... HylianFox posted... are we supposed to root for him? no. the makers of the movie have said he's not meant to be a hero. the opening of the movie, and what we see in the trailer makes it come across as sympathetic but supposedly in the full movie, by the end of it, he's not meant to be rooted for. at most, I think we are meant to mourn the person he used to be A little like Breaking Bad then? I know a lot of people were still rooting for Walt until the very end, but he was a pretty damn despicable person by then. I could honestly say that most of the things he did post-cancer diagnosis were pretty shitty and self-serving, but by the end he was basically a Scarface type character. --- "We know things can move faster than the speed of light because liberal tears are on the ground before something offensive even happens" - Coffeebeanz <cite>Ultima Dragon posted [p:928249987] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>are we supposed to root for him?</quote> no. the makers of the movie have said he's not meant to be a hero. the opening of the movie, and what we see in the trailer makes it come across as sympathetic but supposedly in the full movie, by the end of it, he's not meant to be rooted for. at most, I think we are meant to mourn the person he used to be</quote> A little like Breaking Bad then? I know a lot of people were still rooting for Walt until the very end, but he was a pretty damn despicable person by then. I could honestly say that most of the things he did post-cancer diagnosis were pretty shitty and self-serving, but by the end he was basically a Scarface type character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/02/19 6:32:51 PM #25:	It's sad that movies/TV shows about a descent to crime/madness/immorality always seem to have an issue of people taking the wrong message. They're usually fantastic stories to watch unfold. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:928250069] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>It's sad that movies/TV shows about a descent to crime/madness/immorality always seem to have an issue of people taking the wrong message. They're usually fantastic stories to watch unfold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/02/19 6:37:44 PM #26:	Darmik posted... It's sad that movies/TV shows about a descent to crime/madness/immorality always seem to have an issue of people taking the wrong message. They're usually fantastic stories to watch unfold. Even going back to the first trailer, I got serious "The Machinist" vibes from this movie. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:928250281] in The Joker ... [t:78058463]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>It's sad that movies/TV shows about a descent to crime/madness/immorality always seem to have an issue of people taking the wrong message. They're usually fantastic stories to watch unfold.</quote> Even going back to the first trailer, I got serious "The Machinist" vibes from this movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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