Current Events > Joker Director Blames Criticism on Outrage Culture/Far Left

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https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/09/26/joker-todd-phillips-criticism-outrage-culture/

"I think it's because outrage is a commodity, I think it's something that has been a commodity for a while," Phillips said. "What's outstanding to me in this discourse in this movie is how easily the far left can sound like the far right when it suits their agenda. It's been really eye opening for me."

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I agree with him, awesome director to boot too

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"We didn't make the movie to push buttons," Phillips said. "I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, 'Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film'. It wasn't, 'We want to glorify this behavior.' It was literally like 'Let's make a real movie with a real budget and we'll call it fing Joker'. That's what it was."

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the thing is, the critics are freaking out so much it's gonna cause problems. I think someone is more likely to do a shooting over Joker because of this outrage than the movie itself would. they won't do it cause they watched the movie. they will do it cause of all these articles suggesting someone might do it. and then they think "hey yea......I could be the person that does it!"

He's a moron
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Zikten posted...

the thing is, the critics are freaking out so much it's gonna cause problems. I think someone is more likely to do a shooting over Joker because of this outrage than the movie itself would. they won't do it cause they watched the movie. they will do it cause of all these articles suggesting someone might do it. and then they think "hey yea......I could be the person that does it!"

yeah good point

not sure why the movie critics feel the need to become a social commentary expert and somehow link a movie to some public moral danger

youre a movie critic, publish your review like one and leave it at that

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Some of us are simple fools, some of us act out what we see.

Even happened with Taxi Driver back in the 70's.
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Seems like a pretty lazy cop out without actually addressing criticism tbh
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Zikten posted...

the thing is, the critics are freaking out so much it's gonna cause problems. I think someone is more likely to do a shooting over Joker because of this outrage than the movie itself would. they won't do it cause they watched the movie. they will do it cause of all these articles suggesting someone might do it. and then they think "hey yea......I could be the person that does it!"

yeah good point

not sure why the movie critics feel the need to become a social commentary expert and somehow link a movie to some public moral danger

youre a movie critic, publish your review like one and leave it at that

Critics have done this shit forever. Not every critic out there is going to agree with or like your product or the things you do. Get some thicker skin and get the fuck over it
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Critics have done this shit forever. Not every critic out there is going to agree with or like your product or the things you do. Get some thicker skin and get the fuck over it

we are. people who think Joker looks cool are trying to ignore that stuff. but the issue is the people are trying to get Joker banned. they want to cancel the release. and you can;t ignore that

Problem is there are so many people that actually take to heart in want they read and just automatically believe it to be what they should believe in and fight for it without even thinking for themselves

shame joker is going to be tarnished because of this

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Seems like a pretty lazy cop out without actually addressing criticism tbh

Criticism should never be addressed. It's his fucking movie.

Godnorgosh posted...

That's a pretty shit take from the director tbh

Why?

The new left is behaving like the old right.

evil_zombie11 posted...

Some of us are simple fools, some of us act out what we see.

Even happened with Taxi Driver back in the 70's.

"monkey see, monkey do" type of shit, it sounds like.

a lot of this shit is ingrained into our culture, and we historically glorify the wrong things. the more simple minded folk who come from toxic environments are often usually the perpetrators, and use weird ass logic.

still, the nation has the terrible habit of wanting to cancel/ban/prohibit things rather than properly observe the root cause of a lot of these troubling behavioral patterns.

why take a serious approach to mental health when we can call every reoccurring problem an isolated incident from lone wolves who were simply losers, lol.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

still, the nation has the terrible habit of wanting to cancel/ban/prohibit things rather than properly observe the root cause of a lot of these troubling behavioral patterns.

coz it's easier to blame the highly visible things... not to mention more rewarding politically... than to take a good hard look at our own culture and behaviors
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Look, movies don't encourage people to kill others or themselves. Yes, a theater shooter called himself the Joker. Yes, a man dressed up like the Joker, pointed an unloaded gun at a police officer, and committed suicide by cop.

These are not movies which encourage murder or suicide. Nor are they films which glamorize the actions. The individuals who committed these acts had greater problems in their life than what was going on in the latest Hollywood movie. If it hadn't been the Joker, it might have been The Matrix or Mad Max. If it hadn't been Natural Born Killers, it might have been Silence of the Lambs. If it hadn't been Taxi Driver, it might have been The French Connection.

If we never, ever had a movie that even remotely made violence look cool or made death look like an escape, we still had murderers, sociopaths, and suicidal people long before the advent of film. What we have is not an irresponsible film that encourages violence or self-destruction. What we have is power kegs walking around in search of a match. And they will find it.

The Columbine shooters didn't need to see The Matrix to know they wanted to kill other people. The film just gave them the inspiration for the attire they were going to wear when they did it. The theater shooter who dyed his hair orange and referred to himself as the Joker was going to commit murder if warning signs were not present or were not acted upon. The Dark Knight just gave him a character name to name drop in his actions.

It's not the films that do these things.

Is anyone actually criticizing the film though? Coz that's dumb.

I'm genuinely worried about the possibility of a shooter, but I don't blame the film for it.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Zikten posted...

the thing is, the critics are freaking out so much it's gonna cause problems. I think someone is more likely to do a shooting over Joker because of this outrage than the movie itself would. they won't do it cause they watched the movie. they will do it cause of all these articles suggesting someone might do it. and then they think "hey yea......I could be the person that does it!"

yeah good point

not sure why the movie critics feel the need to become a social commentary expert and somehow link a movie to some public moral danger

youre a movie critic, publish your review like one and leave it at that

What movie critics are you talking about? The movie has been pretty praised by critics overall.
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I think a big problem with critics of games, movies, whatever. Is some have a tendency to have grandiose ideas that they are actually influential social commentators and artists in their own way. So they stop realizing they're literally a dude paid to decide if a piece of media was good or not. You aren't an academic film studies professor. Most people reading your stuff don't care how this related to critical theory or whatever. They just want to know if it's worth their money and time or not.
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Tasty topic

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I think there will be a shooting during the movie, not because of the movie itself, but because the journalist are so desperate for it. They've been planting seeds for months just so they can make this a "told you so" moment.
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i think the criticism is ridiculous and he's on point

but i'm still not going near the theater within the first several weeks of its release
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Its this society

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Darmik posted...

What movie critics are you talking about? The movie has been pretty praised by critics overall.

just check any critics with the rotten rating on rotten tomatoes like this one for example

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/joker-review-joaquin-phoenix-disturbs-in-ultra-violent-story/

The film is a relentlessly savage cesspool desperate for us to reflect on the violence in our culture, perhaps not realizing that its the latest contributor.

has there been any violent crimes because of this movie? No

will there be any violent crimes because of this movie? Well apparently yes because of creating this mass hysteria discourse and planting this seed into people minds that it will happen


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konokonohamaru posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

still, the nation has the terrible habit of wanting to cancel/ban/prohibit things rather than properly observe the root cause of a lot of these troubling behavioral patterns.

coz it's easier to blame the highly visible things... not to mention more rewarding politically... than to take a good hard look at our own culture and behaviors

*theatre gets shot up*
Opportunistic Politician: "I'm not against RAP. I'm not against rapPERS. But I am against.. those THUGS."
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Why is it so hard to say, "Yeah, I can see how some people who have been affected by the shooting massacre in Auroa and other victims of shooting massacres may find this disturbing, but I promise you that this film was made in good taste and I believe this movie will spark a discussion about the way mentally ill people are treated."

Nope, we can never get something like that nowadays.

It's the media's fault because fake news.

It's the far left's fault.

It's the far right's fault.

It's like these people were never taught well put yourself in their shoes and think how you would feel. Nope, I'm right and you're wrong because you don't think like me. Okay, thx, bye.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Seems like a pretty lazy cop out without actually addressing criticism tbh

Like every instance of complaining about 'outrage culture' then

He's not wrong.
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I hope those of you crying itt are the same people that say video games cause violence and are the root of these mass shootings. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time hypocrisy showed it's face on CE.

SaccharineSmile posted...

just check any critics with the rotten rating on rotten tomatoes like this one for example

It's sitting at 75% on RT from critics right now and I imagine when it's released that'll tick up closer to 80%.

Look, you can find critics saying anything about any piece of entertainment nowadays. With a million platforms out there it's guaranteed to happen. That doesn't mean you have to take them seriously or act like it's some massive issue because people who, more than likely, are paid to write articles to incite a reaction are doing that. That's quite literally their job.
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He's not really wrong about the left mirroring the right lately. A lot of them have become the new Puritans. They are very quick to push for censorship, boycotts, firings, social and academic expulsions, and even violence in some situations, if you don't follow their groupthink. It might not technically be called a religion, but this warped version of political correctness and regressivism might as well be.

Keep in mind that when the right pushes their religious agendas, we can easily point to it, laugh or deride it as a gross abuse of their position and power. They are mocked for it and only praised by like-minded individuals or those politicians who are looking to exploit them for votes. I don't think there is anyone on the left, especially here on CE, that would even admit that such a smiliarity even exists.
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I think it exists to a degree. As a sort of horseshoe theory type of thing. But it's very issue dependent and they're coming to similar conclusions on some issues for very different reasons. I guess the reason why you want to for instance ban porn doesn't matter much if the end result is the same, but the motivation helps explain their philosophy and why their other policy goals might be polar opposites.
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Should we start apologizing to Jack Thompson?
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Idk I haven't really followed the movie much but from I've seen the trailers definitely painted a much more glorified version of him.

Jokers gonna beat out sephiroth for the edgelord mascot soon though.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

still, the nation has the terrible habit of wanting to cancel/ban/prohibit things rather than properly observe the root cause of a lot of these troubling behavioral patterns.

coz it's easier to blame the highly visible things... not to mention more rewarding politically... than to take a good hard look at our own culture and behaviors

*theatre gets shot up*
Opportunistic Politician: "I'm not against RAP. I'm not against rapPERS. But I am against.. those THUGS."

Read that in his voice lmao iconic.
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I4NRulez posted...

Idk I haven't really followed the movie much but from I've seen the trailers definitely painted a much more glorified version of him.

Jokers gonna beat out sephiroth for the edgelord mascot soon though.

Joker is wayyyy more influential than Sephy tbhhh
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Annihilated posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Seems like a pretty lazy cop out without actually addressing criticism tbh

Criticism should never be addressed. It's his fucking movie.

Not true.
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This is a pretty dumb take from the director considering this movie has gotten mostly glowing reviews.

Like it's one thing to do this for a bad movie, but not one that people seem to actually like....
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