Current Events > Remember when the Legend of Zelda Windwaker reveal was controversial?

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Darmik
09/22/19 7:07:49 PM
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Back in that weird era of 'Serious Gamers only play Serious Games'

Funny to look back on now.
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Romulox28
09/22/19 7:10:00 PM
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it was gamers correctly predicting nintendo was going to go all in on baby games

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Wewillrocku
09/22/19 7:11:12 PM
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but the game turned out to have horrible elements like sailing so they were proven right
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Gafemage
09/22/19 7:11:45 PM
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I was 7 & the only thing I did online up until like 4th or 5th grade was play that Teen Titans fighting game. So no.
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Darmik
09/22/19 7:12:51 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
it was gamers correctly predicting nintendo was going to go all in on baby games


They didn't predict anything lol

Wewillrocku posted...
but the game turned out to have horrible elements like sailing so they were proven right


Sailing wasn't the issue they had.
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Wewillrocku
09/22/19 7:14:10 PM
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Darmik posted...
Sailing wasn't the issue they had.

they said it would be a bad game and it was
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Illuminoius
09/22/19 7:14:46 PM
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it's so weird that people defend wind waker
you can like its aesthetic all you want but the actual gameplay's pretty weak and the exploration/pacing is trash
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CyricZ
09/22/19 7:17:24 PM
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Do not cite the deep magic to me.

I was there when it was written.
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Duncanwii
09/22/19 7:18:19 PM
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Illuminoius posted...
it's so weird that people defend wind waker
you can like its aesthetic all you want but the actual gameplay's pretty weak and the exploration/pacing is trash
Wind Waker is my favorite so shut your dang mouth.

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TwoDoorPunkCab
09/23/19 7:28:13 AM
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tbf they did clean it up. the original reveal looked pretty bad
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Blue_Dream87
09/23/19 7:31:17 AM
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Most people were pissed because of the Zelda tech demo being more realistic/closer to OoT. Then WW came out with cell shaded graphics, which were new and considered kiddy.

Honestly WW might be a top 3 Zelda for me but I can kinda get the backlash, despite not agreeing with it

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ultimate reaver
09/23/19 7:46:25 AM
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its really funny that the backlash to wind waker was what caused twilight princess, which looks a lot more overtly serious but is inferior in literally every respect to WW and one of the worst games in the series
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Hayame Zero
09/23/19 7:51:50 AM
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There was also backlash when Metroid Prime was revealed to be first-person.

Further back, I remember there were also a lot of complaints before OoT came out when previews stated it would not have a manual jump button.

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CyricZ
09/23/19 7:52:51 AM
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Hayame Zero posted...
There was also backlash when Metroid Prime was revealed to be first-person.

Yeah, but those were quickly quieted once the game came out.

Wind Waker was the beginning of the infamous "Zelda Cycle".
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masterpug53
09/23/19 9:17:39 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
it's so weird that people defend wind waker
you can like its aesthetic all you want but the actual gameplay's pretty weak and the exploration/pacing is trash


It made up for it by having the best story, one of the best soundtracks, and the best versions of the franchise's three main characters (Link, Zelda, Ganon).
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KillerSlaw
09/23/19 9:20:09 AM
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I'll never understand why Gamefaqs loves Wind Waker so much. I think it's the only Zelda I've never replayed (outside of Skyward Sword which I never got around to playing) because world travel is such a chore.

On top of that, I mean, I get people have different tastes but the chibi artstyle is just obnoxious to me.
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kirbymuncher
09/23/19 9:23:13 AM
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I love windwaker's style but the game sorta sucks to actually play. I wish some of that style (visual, audio, even just general character expressiveness and quirkiness) made it into later games but it didn't really :/
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Mr_E_Man
09/23/19 10:25:20 AM
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Yeah I do. And Wind Waker ended up kicking ass. Then they back peddled and tried to make up for it by making the most underwhelming Zelda game aside from Skyward Sword... Twilight Princess... damn near a train wreck.
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Skye Reynolds
09/23/19 10:39:09 AM
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How it should be:

Mario -- full cartoon
Metroid -- fully serious
Legend of Zelda -- mostly serious with a few moments of levity

But Nintendo wants to be Disney and they want absolutely everything to be happy wacky funtime. No variation allowed.
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Solar_Crimson
09/23/19 10:42:18 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
it was gamers correctly predicting nintendo was going to go all in on baby games.

You say, when in the same generation, we got first party games like Eternal Darkness, the Metroid Prime games, and Geist.

Even Pokemon Colosseum was darker than most Pokemon games before or since.

Wewillrocku posted...
Darmik posted...
Sailing wasn't the issue they had.

they said it would be a bad game and it was

Wind Waker is one of the best games in the series.

ultimate reaver posted...
its really funny that the backlash to wind waker was what caused twilight princess, which looks a lot more overtly serious but is inferior in literally every respect to WW and one of the worst games in the series

Agreed. Twilight Princess is extremely bland, and I still haven't convinced myself to play the HD version I bought way back in 2016.
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Lil_Bit83
09/23/19 10:42:23 AM
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No I do not. I didn't have a Gamecube and barely paid attention to it, or the games at the time of its release.
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Superlinkbro
09/23/19 10:46:17 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
it's so weird that people defend wind waker
you can like its aesthetic all you want but the actual gameplay's pretty weak and the exploration/pacing is trash

This, the sailing ruined it for me.
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Squall28
09/23/19 10:46:36 AM
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Windwaker is the worst main console Zelda though. Only Zelda game I couldn't get myself to finish because of crappy ass sailing.
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CruelBuffalo
09/23/19 10:54:15 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Windwaker is the worst main console Zelda though. Only Zelda game I couldn't get myself to finish because of crappy ass sailing.

No, Twilight Princess is by far
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Thunder_Armor
09/23/19 10:59:42 AM
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TP and WW are the best console Zeldas.

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Squall28
09/23/19 11:34:41 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Squall28 posted...
Windwaker is the worst main console Zelda though. Only Zelda game I couldn't get myself to finish because of crappy ass sailing.

No, Twilight Princess is by far


Objectively false. TP easily has the best dungeons and creative use of items.
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soulunison2
09/23/19 11:36:02 AM
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Squall28 posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Squall28 posted...
Windwaker is the worst main console Zelda though. Only Zelda game I couldn't get myself to finish because of crappy ass sailing.

No, Twilight Princess is by far


Objectively false. TP easily has the best dungeons and creative use of items.


Fuck tp I hate the motion controls and the wolf link shit
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jborgan
09/23/19 11:41:20 AM
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I remember these boards when people didn't want to play as a black man in San Andreas. The excuse that stood out the most was that they couldn't relate to CJ. You know, because Tommy Vercetti is such a relatable guy.

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Hayame Zero
09/23/19 3:10:07 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
Fuck tp I hate the motion controls and the wolf link shit


Compared to Skyward Sword, TP's motion controls are nothing.

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TheDreadedWave
09/23/19 3:10:35 PM
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Still not a fan of it.

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Darmik
09/23/19 5:48:28 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
How it should be:

Mario -- full cartoon
Metroid -- fully serious
Legend of Zelda -- mostly serious with a few moments of levity

But Nintendo wants to be Disney and they want absolutely everything to be happy wacky funtime. No variation allowed.


Windwaker is set in a world where Hyrule was flooded. It is not always happy funtime. Just like every other Zelda.

Ganondorf also has the most graphic death in the series.

jborgan posted...
I remember these boards when people didn't want to play as a black man in San Andreas. The excuse that stood out the most was that they couldn't relate to CJ. You know, because Tommy Vercetti is such a relatable guy.


Yep that was awful.
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Skye Reynolds
09/23/19 9:56:52 PM
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Darmik posted...
Windwaker is set in a world where Hyrule was flooded. It is not always happy funtime. Just like every other Zelda.


I don't care if it deals with cannibalism, incest, and genocide. The visuals look like My Little Pony.
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Wewillrocku
09/23/19 10:08:33 PM
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the visuals are fine but the bright gaudy colors aren't. if there was a much darker palette i think it would look good.
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bulbinking
09/23/19 10:10:40 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
its really funny that the backlash to wind waker was what caused twilight princess, which looks a lot more overtly serious but is inferior in literally every respect to WW and one of the worst games in the series


Trash opinion.
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Darmik
09/23/19 10:12:56 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
Windwaker is set in a world where Hyrule was flooded. It is not always happy funtime. Just like every other Zelda.


I don't care if it deals with cannibalism, incest, and genocide. The visuals look like My Little Pony.


And these artstyles would be out of place in a kids cartoon in comparison?

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AlisLandale
09/23/19 10:18:01 PM
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I was pro Celda when Windwaker first came out, but hated how that was THE primary style the series would stick to for most of the GameCube era. Shit got old.

And honestly I think Windwaker gets overrated as a game thanks to its better-than-average characterization. Had some of the most boring dungeons in the series, and the sailing mechanic is just bad, regardless of how fast you can go in the HD version.
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Gobstoppers12
09/23/19 10:22:03 PM
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My first time playing wind waker was the HD version, swift sail and all. Even with the swift sail and the triforce map, the travel time was abysmal and the game felt like a chore 75% of the time. And the art style was grating.
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KillerSlaw
09/23/19 10:57:10 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
the visuals are fine but the bright gaudy colors aren't. if there was a much darker palette i think it would look good.


Disagree

The chibi models are the problem, not the colors.
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Wewillrocku
09/23/19 10:58:20 PM
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i think you mean sd, not chibi.
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KillerSlaw
09/23/19 10:59:45 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
i think you mean sd, not chibi.


I'm talking about the overly large heads and small bodies. Whatever that is called.
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HylianFox
09/23/19 11:03:31 PM
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Darmik posted...
Windwaker is set in a world where Hyrule was flooded. It is not always happy funtime. Just like every other Zelda.

Wind Waker may be kiddy looking, but it has the darkest storyline
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HylianFox
09/23/19 11:09:21 PM
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Skyward Sword is easily the weakest console Zelda

that said, Twilight Princess had its share of disappointments and annoyances (like having to put rupees back in chests, and being told what rupees were EVERY time you picked one up)

I never bothered to play the Wii version, even though I own it
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Wewillrocku
09/23/19 11:10:43 PM
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Mario posted...
Skyward Sword is easily the most ambitious zelda ever created, 10/10 game, would bring it with me to a desert island.

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awesome999
09/23/19 11:12:36 PM
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Someone post that Iwata greentext lmfao!
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Skye Reynolds
09/23/19 11:13:51 PM
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Darmik posted...
And these artstyles would be out of place in a kids cartoon in comparison?


No, but those look more like images from adventure based cartoons rather than their parodies.
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KillerSlaw
09/23/19 11:15:44 PM
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I never really realized how much I disliked Aonuma lead Zelda games until this topic lmfao

Like I'm sitting here like "I really didn't like Wind Waker at all." but then I realize I also didn't really like Twilight Princess much at all, and I didn't even play Skyward Sword...

Kind of has me worried for BOTW sequel.
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Darmik
09/23/19 11:31:23 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
And these artstyles would be out of place in a kids cartoon in comparison?


No, but those look more like images from adventure based cartoons rather than their parodies.


Windwaker doesn't look like a parody of anything. It looks like a specific Japanese artstyle.
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Skye Reynolds
09/23/19 11:35:10 PM
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The other styles look distinctly Japanese as well.
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Darmik
09/23/19 11:36:58 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
The other styles look distinctly Japanese as well.


Yes. That's what Zelda has always been like. They use different Japanese artstyles depending on what look they're going for.

It was never some ultra serious franchise that could only suit gritty artstyles. Even before Windwaker there was Link's Awakening.
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industrializeit
09/23/19 11:59:10 PM
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I wanted to post a side by side comparison off that first reveal and after, but couldn't find that. Google searching is so shity for specific things like that. Link originally had no eyebrows and it looked fucking terrible. Nintendo changed his look a bit, idk if it was just adding eyebrows. Definitely looked better after
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