Current Events > honestly one of the most interesting things about people who are anti-feminist

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is that they still expect women to like, pay for stuff too.

nah dude you want your traditional gender roles then i'm not paying for anything or working.
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So your fake marriage proposal topic not enough?
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Checkmate?
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I have no issue paying for everything if you plan on staying home and taking care of the house and kids.


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Middle hope posted...

I have no issue paying for everything if you plan on staying home and taking care of the house and kids.

see that's what i'm saying though, you (not saying you are or are not anti-feminist IDK you) can't have it both ways.
you can either think that women are equal and have them pay for your stuff (or be decent and go in half) or think that women aren't equal and that feminism is a sham and that traditional gender roles should be maintained. this however means you shouldn't expect your SO to work or pay bills, though, so...
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Maybe they're only anti-feminist about some things.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

is that they still expect women to like, pay for stuff too.

nah dude you want your traditional gender roles then i'm not paying for anything or working.

Fyi women have always had the power of the purse which is why advertisement havw always target them

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People need to stop pretending like there isn't feminism, and "feminism".

And the other side of that coin is "feminists" who think the man should pay all.

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Feminism these days is not about suffrage so people you claim to be "anti-feminist" are just people who don't want to put up with "feminists" pining for superiority claiming they want equality.
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the irony in your OP is that the average western woman still chooses to maintain traditional gender roles by continuing to have a standardized expectation and preference for the man paying (women okay with going dutch are still not a majority)

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men, "the man should always pay" mindset no longer makes sense in an environment where gender equality is supposedly the goal and both demographics have generally the same earning opportunities as far as gender

there are some men who preach traditionalism, but they're not alone in practicing and enforcing those standards
theres no shortage of western women who identify as feminists, yet still hold a strong preference for traditional expectations in how men should operate

you can argue that some men want their cake and eat it too when it comes to gender norms in the modern era
just realize theres a sizable portion of women who do the exact same thing by preaching gender equality, but still expecting chivalry etc...

as a woman myself i know why the average western woman (regardless of political leaning) still does this
men and women on average hold different orders of priorities when seeking relationship partners, they critique each other differently
they can have the same priorities, but it's very common for there to be a difference in the order of what they value most
and i don't see any reason to be dodging what most people already know: most women care about their partner's status and monetary utility
and the level of urgency this has for most women is similar to how much guys care about how good a woman looks

both are very traditional, not progressive
it's not progressive if it's a motion to keep things the same

again i don't got a problem with how men and women wanna date each other
but be honest and call it what it really is
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^@_@
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Highwind07 posted...

Feels like the OP and the ideas of feminism in the first place are at a contradiction with each other. The traditional norm of the man being the breadwinner because of lack of job opportunities for women or at least ones with decent jobs. Now that the scales are tipped it is ironic to say "If I make more than you I still shouldn't have to pay for anything if we are together". But then again what ARE you paying for? If it is going dutch at dinner then that is fine or if you are inviting someone to dinner then that is fine. I'll frankly do the same if I invite you to dinner. I don't see any advocates of paying for things like say, alimony or child support, which usually the man has to pay to be said the same for the other side.

Actually most actual feminists advocate for paying for alimony and child support and the root of that (as it stems from days when women didnt work) is patriarchal as it stands, so no, feminists dont want patriarchal norms to exist regardless of if its more financially convenient.
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

the irony in your OP is that the average western woman still chooses to maintain traditional gender roles by continuing to have a standardized expectation and preference for the man paying (women okay with going dutch are still not a majority)

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men, "the man should always pay" mindset no longer makes sense in an environment where gender equality is supposedly the goal and both demographics have generally the same earning opportunities as far as gender

there are some men who preach traditionalism, but they're not alone in practicing and enforcing those standards
theres no shortage of western women who identify as feminists, yet still hold a strong preference for traditional expectations in how men should operate

you can argue that some men want their cake and eat it too when it comes to gender norms in the modern era
just realize theres a sizable portion of women who do the exact same thing by preaching gender equality, but still expecting chivalry etc...

as a woman myself i know why the average western woman (regardless of political leaning) still does this
men and women on average hold different orders of priorities when seeking relationship partners, they critique each other differently
they can have the same priorities, but it's very common for there to be a difference in the order of what they value most
and i don't see any reason to be dodging what most people already know: most women care about their partner's status and monetary utility
and the level of urgency this has for most women is similar to how much guys care about how good a woman looks

both are very traditional, not progressive
it's not progressive if it's a motion to keep things the same

again i don't got a problem with how men and women wanna date each other
but be honest and call it what it really is

In another post you were claiming to be a black man, now you are a woman?
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men

indeed. single women earn more on average than single men

Pay gap is still a thing tho
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Prestoff posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

the irony in your OP is that the average western woman still chooses to maintain traditional gender roles by continuing to have a standardized expectation and preference for the man paying (women okay with going dutch are still not a majority)

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men, "the man should always pay" mindset no longer makes sense in an environment where gender equality is supposedly the goal and both demographics have generally the same earning opportunities as far as gender

there are some men who preach traditionalism, but they're not alone in practicing and enforcing those standards
theres no shortage of western women who identify as feminists, yet still hold a strong preference for traditional expectations in how men should operate

you can argue that some men want their cake and eat it too when it comes to gender norms in the modern era
just realize theres a sizable portion of women who do the exact same thing by preaching gender equality, but still expecting chivalry etc...

as a woman myself i know why the average western woman (regardless of political leaning) still does this
men and women on average hold different orders of priorities when seeking relationship partners, they critique each other differently
they can have the same priorities, but it's very common for there to be a difference in the order of what they value most
and i don't see any reason to be dodging what most people already know: most women care about their partner's status and monetary utility
and the level of urgency this has for most women is similar to how much guys care about how good a woman looks

both are very traditional, not progressive
it's not progressive if it's a motion to keep things the same

again i don't got a problem with how men and women wanna date each other
but be honest and call it what it really is

In another post you were claiming to be a black man, now you are a woman?

no i never made a post here claiming to be a man, although plenty of CE posters make the assumption
it typically blows their mind that a cis-gendered lesbian isn't automatically far left in ideology
thats stereotypes for you...

i am a black woman living in the US

if you disagree, please show us all this supposed post where i said i was a man
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

Prestoff posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

the irony in your OP is that the average western woman still chooses to maintain traditional gender roles by continuing to have a standardized expectation and preference for the man paying (women okay with going dutch are still not a majority)

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men, "the man should always pay" mindset no longer makes sense in an environment where gender equality is supposedly the goal and both demographics have generally the same earning opportunities as far as gender

there are some men who preach traditionalism, but they're not alone in practicing and enforcing those standards
theres no shortage of western women who identify as feminists, yet still hold a strong preference for traditional expectations in how men should operate

you can argue that some men want their cake and eat it too when it comes to gender norms in the modern era
just realize theres a sizable portion of women who do the exact same thing by preaching gender equality, but still expecting chivalry etc...

as a woman myself i know why the average western woman (regardless of political leaning) still does this
men and women on average hold different orders of priorities when seeking relationship partners, they critique each other differently
they can have the same priorities, but it's very common for there to be a difference in the order of what they value most
and i don't see any reason to be dodging what most people already know: most women care about their partner's status and monetary utility
and the level of urgency this has for most women is similar to how much guys care about how good a woman looks

both are very traditional, not progressive
it's not progressive if it's a motion to keep things the same

again i don't got a problem with how men and women wanna date each other
but be honest and call it what it really is

In another post you were claiming to be a black man, now you are a woman?

no i never made a post here claiming to be a man, although plenty of CE posters make the assumption
it typically blows their mind that a cis-gendered lesbian isn't automatically far left in ideology
thats stereotypes for you...

i am a black woman living in the US

if you disagree, please show us all this supposed post where i said i was a man

you definitely have an atypical viewpoint. sometimes that is needed in an age of mass conformity.

OldIronKing posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Prestoff posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

the irony in your OP is that the average western woman still chooses to maintain traditional gender roles by continuing to have a standardized expectation and preference for the man paying (women okay with going dutch are still not a majority)

today most western women basically have the same earning opportunities now that are typically open to men, "the man should always pay" mindset no longer makes sense in an environment where gender equality is supposedly the goal and both demographics have generally the same earning opportunities as far as gender

there are some men who preach traditionalism, but they're not alone in practicing and enforcing those standards
theres no shortage of western women who identify as feminists, yet still hold a strong preference for traditional expectations in how men should operate

you can argue that some men want their cake and eat it too when it comes to gender norms in the modern era
just realize theres a sizable portion of women who do the exact same thing by preaching gender equality, but still expecting chivalry etc...

as a woman myself i know why the average western woman (regardless of political leaning) still does this
men and women on average hold different orders of priorities when seeking relationship partners, they critique each other differently
they can have the same priorities, but it's very common for there to be a difference in the order of what they value most
and i don't see any reason to be dodging what most people already know: most women care about their partner's status and monetary utility
and the level of urgency this has for most women is similar to how much guys care about how good a woman looks

both are very traditional, not progressive
it's not progressive if it's a motion to keep things the same

again i don't got a problem with how men and women wanna date each other
but be honest and call it what it really is

In another post you were claiming to be a black man, now you are a woman?

no i never made a post here claiming to be a man, although plenty of CE posters make the assumption
it typically blows their mind that a cis-gendered lesbian isn't automatically far left in ideology
thats stereotypes for you...

i am a black woman living in the US

if you disagree, please show us all this supposed post where i said i was a man

you definitely have an atypical viewpoint. sometimes that is needed in an age of mass conformity.

being a lesbian is often atypical in itself when you think about it
most of us start out from environments where we are told to conform and punished if we don't
so being concerned about "sheep-think" is inherently a trait for some of us

like i share certain common opinions with other homosexual women, but i still hold my own veto on how i make my decisions and what to invest in
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