Current Events > New models suggest earth could see 7 C of warming by 2100

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https://phys.org/news/2019-09-earth-quickly-climate.html

We need to do something now. We still have time but it is running out desperately. Drastic measures are needed.

I'll be dead before then.
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Fake news
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pls posted...

We need to do something now.

Demand the US and Europe gut their economies, while letting China and India do whatever they want.
That'll surely work, right?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Demand the US and Europe gut their economies, while letting China and India do whatever they want.
That'll surely work, right?

Not even. There is nothing stopping us from raising a few trillion dollars and putting millions of Americans, Canada and Central/South America included, to work installing solar panels and wind farms and building more nuclear.

And planting trees.

We could massively change the course of history with just a couple of years of World War mobilization.

pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Demand the US and Europe gut their economies, while letting China and India do whatever they want.
That'll surely work, right?

Not even. There is nothing stopping us from raising a few trillion dollars and putting millions of Americans, Canada and Central/South America included, to work installing solar panels and wind farms and building more nuclear.

And planting trees.

We could massively change the course of history with just a couple of years of World War mobilization.

And without the two biggest polluters on board it wouldn't matter
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pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Demand the US and Europe gut their economies, while letting China and India do whatever they want.
That'll surely work, right?

Not even. There is nothing stopping us from raising a few trillion dollars and putting millions of Americans, Canada and Central/South America included, to work installing solar panels and wind farms and building more nuclear.

And planting trees.

We could massively change the course of history with just a couple of years of World War mobilization.

About that....
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

At scale, wind and solar power may actually do more damage to the environment than traditional methods because a synthetic gas required to manage them is 23,000% more damaging than CO2 and lingers for a thousand years. Right now the impact is relatively small because the number of solar and wind farms is relatively small, but we might be completely fucking ourselves over if we go all in on these technologies without better understanding the environmental impact.
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Tupacrulez posted...

And without the two biggest polluters on board it wouldn't matter

Yes it would. We could plant enough trees worldwide with just America, Europe, Canada, and South America, to become carbon neutral and then carbon negative in a handful of years.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/world/trillion-trees-climate-change-intl-scn/index.html

We just need the will to raise the capital and invest it

s0nicfan posted...

About that....
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

At scale, wind and solar power may actually do more damage to the environment than traditional methods because a synthetic gas required to manage them is 23,000% more damaging than CO2 and lingers for a thousand years. Right now the impact is relatively small because the number of solar and wind farms is relatively small, but we might be completely f***ing ourselves over if we go all in on these technologies without better understanding the environmental impact.

Your own article had the answer. Did you read it?

"Sitting in the North Sea some 43km from the Suffolk coast, Scottish Power Renewables has installed one of world's biggest wind farms where the turbines will be free of SF6 gas.
East Anglia One will see 102 of these towering generators erected, with the capacity to produce up to 714MW (megawatts) of power by 2020, enough to supply half a million homes"

pls posted...

East Anglia One will see 102 of these towering generators erected, with the capacity to produce up to 714MW (megawatts) of power by 2020, enough to supply half a million homes"

Then, why can't those half million homes pay for it, without demanding everyone else does as well?

FFVII_REMAKE posted...

I'll be dead before then.

We all will be probably

LadyVyxx posted...

FFVII_REMAKE posted...

I'll be dead before then.

We all will be probably

Not me
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V-E-G-Y- posted...

LadyVyxx posted...

FFVII_REMAKE posted...

I'll be dead before then.

We all will be probably

Not me

I admire the optimism

Questionmarktarius posted...

Then, why can't those half million homes pay for it, without demanding everyone else does as well?

Don't you think that it is ineffective and unreasonable to expect that to happen without federal-scale spending?

pls posted...

s0nicfan posted...

About that....
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

At scale, wind and solar power may actually do more damage to the environment than traditional methods because a synthetic gas required to manage them is 23,000% more damaging than CO2 and lingers for a thousand years. Right now the impact is relatively small because the number of solar and wind farms is relatively small, but we might be completely f***ing ourselves over if we go all in on these technologies without better understanding the environmental impact.

Your own article had the answer. Did you read it?

"Sitting in the North Sea some 43km from the Suffolk coast, Scottish Power Renewables has installed one of world's biggest wind farms where the turbines will be free of SF6 gas.
East Anglia One will see 102 of these towering generators erected, with the capacity to produce up to 714MW (megawatts) of power by 2020, enough to supply half a million homes"

That will only be able to power coastal cities. The power drop-off means that anything inland won't be able to take advantage of it. That helps but it doesn't fix the problem.
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Our kids will live to see it

s0nicfan posted...

That will only be able to power coastal cities. The power drop-off means that anything inland won't be able to take advantage of it. That helps but it doesn't fix the problem

The technology to build without the toxic gas exists and is improving, which was the point.

There is no reason why investment can't take care of finding better ways to make those tools for inland use. What is important is the urgency and the desperate need for us to leverage our wealth as a nation for the sake of the entire planet.

Like we did in WW2. Gotta do it again, this time for something that really will kill us all without fail if we don't do something.

Bump

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We'll all have portable air conditioners by then I'm not worried in the slightest
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pls posted...

this time for something that really will kill us all without fail if we don't do something

whut

Questionmarktarius posted...

whut

7C warming is a lot. And that's just the point at which 90% or more of the permafrost has melted and we're stuck in a runaway feedback loop of warming.

Billions will die

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what a complete and utter shock
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pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

whut

7C warming is a lot. And that's just the point at which 90% or more of the permafrost has melted and we're stuck in a runaway feedback loop of warming.

Billions will die

Then, that seems like it's going to be a self-correcting mechanism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c" data-time="

new models? such as? name some names!

And the glaciers were gonna be gone ten years ago. Heard it all before.
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Wewillrocku posted...

new models? such as? name some names!

The Model G, brought to you by Tesla. Unlike their electric cars, this one runs exclusively on hairspray.
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I'm just numb to these headlines at this point, I think. There's a seemingly constant barrage of news about how fucked everything is going to be, and I'm just sitting here not able to do a damned thing about it. It's exhausting.
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s0nicfan posted...

The Model G, brought to you by Tesla. Unlike their electric cars, this one runs exclusively on hairspray.

Just the other day you were praising Tesla.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I'm just numb to these headlines at this point, I think. There's a seemingly constant barrage of news about how fucked everything is going to be, and I'm just sitting here not able to do a damned thing about it. It's exhausting.

You can donate like $100 to the National Forest Foundation and they'll plant one tree per dollar. That's probably enough to sequester your carbon footprint for life!

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pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

whut

7C warming is a lot. And that's just the point at which 90% or more of the permafrost has melted and we're stuck in a runaway feedback loop of warming.

Billions will die

Isn't anything above 6C basically total human extinction?

Alomg with majority of other species sadly.

Yup, i am totally not having kids.
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pls posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The Model G, brought to you by Tesla. Unlike their electric cars, this one runs exclusively on hairspray.

Just the other day you were praising Tesla.

It was a joke playing off the word "Model", not a condemnation of a company.
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