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Antifar
09/11/19 11:52:05 AM
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https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

In a surprise move Wednesday morning, the N.C. House of Representatives voted to override Gov. Roy Coopers veto of the state budget with just over half of the 120 members present to vote.

Democrats in the chamber objected to the bill being brought up, saying they were told there would be no votes during the 8:30 a.m. session and that it was just a formality so work could begin. Rep. Jason Saine, a Lincolnton Republican, made the motion to reconsider the state budget and chaos in the chamber quickly ensued. House Speaker Tim Moore, a Kings Mountain Republican, said that announcement was not made, and even asked the House Clerk to back him up.

This is a travesty of the process and you know it, Rep. Deb Butler, D-New Hanover, said when the vote was called, noting that Democratic leadership was not present. We will not yield.

Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.

How dare you Mr. Speaker? Butler said. The trickery that is being evidenced by this morning is tantamount to a criminal offense.

Butler described the vote as a hijacking of the process.

After the session, Republicans went into a caucus meeting, where they stayed while Democrats held a news conference in the room next door.

House Democratic leader Darren Jackson, of Wake County, said he told his caucus that they did not need to be at the morning session because Rep. David Lewis, a Harnett County Republican, told him there would be no recorded votes.

Jackson was not at the 8:30 a.m. session. There were just 12 Democrats, and they did not all have a chance to vote, they told reporters. Jackson said that microphones were cut off.

If we cant trust each other, this place will fall apart, its just too big an entity to run, too many processes to require for everything to be in writing, Jackson said. He said if someone with power tells you something is going to happen, you have to trust that it will.

Jackson said he wants Lewis to recall the veto vote before it goes to the Senate, which is a simple majority vote.

Butler told reporters that she was threatened with arrest on the House floor. She called the Republicans governing scorched earth politics and an embarrassment.

What happened in that chamber this morning is heartbreaking, she said. The fact that they would sit and lie in wait to trap these good citizens, these good representatives, is disgraceful.


Gotta say, seems like a big mistake for Democrats to trust a North Carolina Republican.
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Funkydog
09/11/19 11:58:01 AM
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How scummy can you get.

Using one of America's greatest tragedies to ram through a budget.
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ThyCorndog
09/11/19 11:58:22 AM
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u snooze u lose -NC republican party
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The_Uncuckables
09/11/19 11:59:40 AM
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North Carolina is CUCKING The Democrats! Good on them! We just need to keep this up nationwide for five more years for MAXIMUM PWNAGE!

Antifar posted...


Butler told reporters that she was threatened with arrest on the House floor. She called the Republicans governing scorched earth politics and an embarrassment.

What happened in that chamber this morning is heartbreaking, she said. The fact that they would sit and lie in wait to trap these good citizens, these good representatives, is disgraceful.


Lmao, what a bleeding heart.
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SwaggieBeIIe462
09/11/19 12:00:31 PM
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The real issue is the fact that the Dems won't cooperate on something like a budget.

We need less government spending.
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Solar_Crimson
09/11/19 12:00:48 PM
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So not only did they rush this through while most of the Democrats were away, but the Dems that were there had their mics cut off?

Seems like something that needs a revote.
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Hanky_Bannister
09/11/19 12:00:56 PM
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GOP insulting victims of 9/11
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Solar_Crimson
09/11/19 12:01:19 PM
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The_Uncuckables posted...

Whose alt is this?
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konokonohamaru
09/11/19 12:02:17 PM
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Pretty scummy move if you ask me
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eston
09/11/19 12:03:18 PM
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Antifar posted...
Gotta say, seems like a big mistake for Democrats to trust a North Carolina Republican.

As he rightly pointed out, they have to be able to trust each other or else the system doesn't work. This was done in bad faith and there should be consequences but there probably won't be
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Tyranthraxus
09/11/19 12:04:21 PM
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It'll probably go to the NC supreme Court and get told to revote

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PoopPotato
09/11/19 12:04:27 PM
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How long are we supposed to keep doing the memorial services for this? Not trying to sound insensitive, but...
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emblem boy
09/11/19 12:06:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?
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Hanky_Bannister
09/11/19 12:07:37 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

north carolina. thats how
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bover_87
09/11/19 12:08:44 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

Usually these votes are based upon members present, not total membership. In fact, in most legislative bodies there doesn't even need to be a quorum as long as no one present objects.
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divot1338
09/11/19 12:08:50 PM
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Can you even do this without a quorum?
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Antifar
09/11/19 12:09:10 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

They had more than 3/5ths of those voting.
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Rexdragon125
09/11/19 12:09:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
Gotta say, seems like a big mistake to trust a Republican.

They've been brazenly subverting government process lately. They're not even pretending they're not fascists anymore
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davyheinz
09/11/19 12:09:48 PM
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Hanky_Bannister posted...
emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

north carolina. thats how

Maybe, could be something like 3/5th of voting members and therefore people who dont show dont end up counting and they got like 55/64 or whatever it was so that would meet the threshold. Politicians and the system are fucking trash.
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emblem boy
09/11/19 12:10:10 PM
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bover_87 posted...
emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

Usually these votes are based upon members present, not total membership. In fact, in most legislative bodies there doesn't even need to be a quorum as long as no one present objects.


My bad. Didn't hit me that they literally meant 3/5th of those currently present
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Balrog0
09/11/19 12:10:32 PM
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eston posted...
As he rightly pointed out, they have to be able to trust each other or else the system doesn't work. This was done in bad faith and there should be consequences but there probably won't be


I mean there are elaborate rules for how legislative bodies conduct themselves for a reason. There are a lot of things in politics that require trust and relationships, but, uh, voting on legislation is really kind of more like bean counting

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divot1338
09/11/19 12:12:50 PM
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bover_87 posted...
emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Moore ignored the objections of the Democrats that were in the room and instead mowed through the vote with only 64 members present. The vote was 55-9. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor.


There are 120 members total. They didn't have the 3/5ths, so how can the voting stand?

Usually these votes are based upon members present, not total membership. In fact, in most legislative bodies there doesn't even need to be a quorum as long as no one present objects.

The US Senate and House of Representatives require a majority of members be present for a quorum before voting can take place so youre wrong.
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Prestoff
09/11/19 12:13:17 PM
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SwaggieBeIIe462 posted...
The real issue is the fact that the Dems won't cooperate on something like a budget.

We need less government spending.


No it isnt.
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Balrog0
09/11/19 12:13:41 PM
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divot1338 posted...
The US Senate and House of Representatives require a majority of members be present for a quorum before voting can take place so youre wrong.


that's one legislative body out of at least 50 more

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iPhone_7
09/11/19 12:13:45 PM
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Republicans cheat
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mattnd2007
09/11/19 12:14:18 PM
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That is real fucking shitty
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Balrog0
09/11/19 12:14:20 PM
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I personally blame the democrats in the legislature for this one. If I were the governor I would be furious.

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Hanky_Bannister
09/11/19 12:15:00 PM
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republicans will get MORE facist and MORE racist and MORE corrupt with trump in another 4 years.
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John_Galt
09/11/19 12:15:22 PM
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Fair, next
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divot1338
09/11/19 12:16:09 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
divot1338 posted...
The US Senate and House of Representatives require a majority of members be present for a quorum before voting can take place so youre wrong.


that's one legislative body out of at least 50 more

Ive named two that require a quorum versus the zero that you two have listed.

Feel free to prove your point. But the two most important ones in this country wouldnt have allowed this to go forward.
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divot1338
09/11/19 12:17:46 PM
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And from NC House website

Pursuant to House Rules 26(e) and 26(f), the Chair of the Committee on Rules, Calendar and Operations of the House, the Speaker Pro Tempore, the Majority Leader, and the Deputy Majority Leader are ex officio members of each standing committee and permanent subcommittee with the right to vote. The previous sentence does not apply to the Standing Committee on Ethics. For the purposes of determining a quorum, when serving only as ex officio members, these members shall be counted among the membership of the committee or subcommittee only when present


So they do to apparently.
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Balrog0
09/11/19 12:18:24 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Ive named two that require a quorum versus the zero that you two have listed.


I haven't listed any because I don't care that much, but this scenario implies that North Carolina doesn't require a quorum before voting. So it's odd to say that someone is wrong by pointing to the national government imo

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Balrog0
09/11/19 12:19:08 PM
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divot1338 posted...
And from NC House website

So they do to apparently.


maybe they do, but that seems to be addressing committee votes not floor votes

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kingdrake2
09/11/19 12:19:48 PM
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PoopPotato posted...
How long are we supposed to keep doing the memorial services for this? Not trying to sound insensitive, but...


hopefully forever. never forget the losses of our first responders/police and the victims of the 9/11 attacks.
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UnholyMudcrab
09/11/19 12:19:48 PM
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The Republican Party does not deserve to continue existing

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Doom_Art
09/11/19 12:20:24 PM
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NC is a preview of what the federal GOP will be when they lose power

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09/11/19 12:21:34 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The_Uncuckables posted...

Whose alt is this?

no idea but it screams poe's law

boomerposting outside of social media is almost always ironic
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The_Uncuckables
09/11/19 12:28:01 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The_Uncuckables posted...

Whose alt is this?


I'm yours
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BLAKUboy
09/11/19 12:35:21 PM
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Antifar posted...
Gotta say, seems like a big mistake for Democrats to trust a North Carolina Republican.

If they had stayed they would have been reamed for ignoring 9/11. Meanwhile Republicans are not held to that standard because reasons.
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MorbidFaithless
09/11/19 12:45:27 PM
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So cool how Republicans consistently subvert democracy! Real Americans!

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divot1338
09/11/19 12:49:14 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
divot1338 posted...
Ive named two that require a quorum versus the zero that you two have listed.


I haven't listed any because I don't care that much, but this scenario implies that North Carolina doesn't require a quorum before voting. So it's odd to say that someone is wrong by pointing to the national government imo

As long as its clear both of you are talking out your asses when it comes to how legislatures work.
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KStateKing17
09/11/19 12:50:08 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
PoopPotato posted...
How long are we supposed to keep doing the memorial services for this? Not trying to sound insensitive, but...


hopefully forever. never forget the losses of our first responders/police and the victims of the 9/11 attacks.

It seems like the government wants us to get over it. It's been almost 20 years and the people responsible have been held accountable right?
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LightHawKnight
09/11/19 12:51:59 PM
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How is this even legal?
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AngryRedHatter
09/11/19 12:52:11 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
N.C. Republicans are some of the shittiest people in the country

We had this singular incident. They haven't done anything else unreasonable.
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Ricemills
09/11/19 12:53:45 PM
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lmao America's politic is such a shitshow.
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divot1338
09/11/19 12:54:21 PM
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AngryRedHatter posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
N.C. Republicans are some of the shittiest people in the country

We had this singular incident. They haven't done anything else unreasonable.

They went door to door collecting ballots that they then doctored.
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Rexdragon125
09/11/19 12:56:14 PM
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Republicans are playing Calvinball while others are trying to uphold some sort of standards
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treewojima
09/11/19 1:00:29 PM
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My understanding is that this still has to go to the NC Senate and won't pass unless a Democrat crosses the aisle
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