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Shablagoo 09/06/19 6:54:01 PM #1:	DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL candidate Bernie Sanders said college athletes should be paid, weighing in for the first time on a controversial issue that's roiling the NCAA and college sports. "College athletes are workers," the senator from Vermont tweeted Friday morning. "Pay them." The tweet came in response to one sent by LeBron James, professional basketball player for the Los Angeles Lakers, who was rallying support for SB-206, California's "Fair Pay to Play" Act, which would allow student athletes to earn compensation in connection with the use of their "name, image or likeness." The bill overwhelmingly passed the state Senate in May. If approved by the California Assembly in the current legislative session, it would become law in 2023 and apply to all private colleges in the Golden State and the University of California system. The NCAA opposes the bill, arguing that it would create a dynamic in which the best athletes in the country flock to California schools. NCAA President Mark Emmert threatened to bar California's college teams from participating in national championships and asked state lawmakers to postpone their consideration of the bill until the NCAA conducts its own review about compensating athletes. College athletics has ballooned over the last two decades into a $14 billion industry with only about 12% of that being directed to students, almost entirely in the form of academic scholarships. The NCAA basketball tournament alone, which is widely known as "March Madness," draws upward of 100 million vierwers, has nearly 100 corporate sponsors and generates more than $1 billion. https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-09-06/bernie-sanders-pay-college-athletes Everyone: workers should be compensated or its slavery NCAA: not slavery, its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XEq6XYtMVU" data-time=" student ath-o-letes! --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927077212] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote><quote>DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL candidate Bernie Sanders said college athletes should be paid, weighing in for the first time on a controversial issue that's roiling the NCAA and college sports. "College athletes are workers," the senator from Vermont tweeted Friday morning. "Pay them." The tweet came in response to one sent by LeBron James, professional basketball player for the Los Angeles Lakers, who was rallying support for SB-206, California's "Fair Pay to Play" Act, which would allow student athletes to earn compensation in connection with the use of their "name, image or likeness." The bill overwhelmingly passed the state Senate in May. If approved by the California Assembly in the current legislative session, it would become law in 2023 and apply to all private colleges in the Golden State and the University of California system. The NCAA opposes the bill, arguing that it would create a dynamic in which the best athletes in the country flock to California schools. NCAA President Mark Emmert threatened to bar California's college teams from participating in national championships and asked state lawmakers to postpone their consideration of the bill until the NCAA conducts its own review about compensating athletes. College athletics has ballooned over the last two decades into a $14 billion industry with only about 12% of that being directed to students, almost entirely in the form of academic scholarships. The NCAA basketball tournament alone, which is widely known as "March Madness," draws upward of 100 million vierwers, has nearly 100 corporate sponsors and generates more than $1 billion.</quote> https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-09-06/bernie-sanders-pay-college-athletes Everyone: workers should be compensated or its slavery NCAA: not slavery, its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XEq6XYtMVU" data-time=" student ath-o-letes!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 6:57:16 PM #2:	NCAA is a f*ing scam. The reason coaches get paid millions of $$$ is because they are able to recruit people worth millions of $$$ to play for FREE I agree with Bernie here. Sadly, most people I talk to, even liberals, disagree that college athletes should be paid. --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927077351] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>NCAA is a f*ing scam. The reason coaches get paid millions of $$$ is because they are able to recruit people worth millions of $$$ to play for FREE I agree with Bernie here. Sadly, most people I talk to, even liberals, disagree that college athletes should be paid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 6:57:55 PM #3:	Bernie da GOAT --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927077379] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Bernie da GOAT</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 6:58:27 PM #4:	Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927077405] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 6:59:17 PM #5:	Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927077438] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 09/06/19 6:59:18 PM #6:	I'd rather just stop the mixing of sports and education, but if these college players are making these schools money by putting their time and body and health on the line, they deserve compensation even if they already do get perks. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:927077441] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>I'd rather just stop the mixing of sports and education, but if these college players are making these schools money by putting their time and body and health on the line, they deserve compensation even if they already do get perks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
miki_sauvester 09/06/19 6:59:58 PM #7:	It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are. <cite>miki_sauvester posted [p:927077466] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 7:01:00 PM #8:	miki_sauvester posted... It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are. i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them? --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927077513] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>miki_sauvester posted...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are.</quote> i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 09/06/19 7:01:14 PM #9:	Wtf I agree with Comrade Bernard on something. --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:927077530] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Wtf I agree with Comrade Bernard on something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:01:54 PM #10:	I wouldn't even want an athletic scholarship to college. Academic scholarships don't come with weird "We're using you to make millions, but throw more restrictions on you than any other student here" bullshit Getting a Christmas present or a free lunch is a can of worms that could get you in trouble. People forget that 99% of student athletes are not superstars that are going to become professional athletes. Yet they all deal with NCAA's rotten shit --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927077557] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't even want an athletic scholarship to college. Academic scholarships don't come with weird "We're using you to make millions, but throw more restrictions on you than any other student here" bullshit Getting a Christmas present or a free lunch is a can of worms that could get you in trouble. People forget that 99% of student athletes are not superstars that are going to become professional athletes. Yet they all deal with NCAA's rotten shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:01:54 PM #11:	Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927077559] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/06/19 7:03:34 PM #12:	miki_sauvester posted... It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0SdxF0-pA" data-time=" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:927077622] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>miki_sauvester posted...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0SdxF0-pA" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Verdekal 09/06/19 7:06:08 PM #14:	So tuition can go even higher? --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:927077721] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>So tuition can go even higher? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 7:06:54 PM #15:	fenderbender321 posted... You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough. Yeah for 99% of the athletes the free housing and tuition would be enough. Relaxing the rules on paying athletes would only affect the very top of the distribution, but that being said, why shouldn't they be allowed to profit off their abilities? --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927077755] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough.</quote> Yeah for 99% of the athletes the free housing and tuition would be enough. Relaxing the rules on paying athletes would only affect the very top of the distribution, but that being said, why shouldn't they be allowed to profit off their abilities?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:07:12 PM #16:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. So you think colleges would rather have none of that $14 billion rather than some (probably still the vast majority) of it? --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927077772] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> So you think colleges would rather have none of that $14 billion rather than some (probably still the vast majority) of it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:07:13 PM #17:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927077773] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 09/06/19 7:07:48 PM #18:	Bernie is right. But I agree with this too: Southernfatman posted... I'd rather just stop the mixing of sports and education Except that will never happen unfortunately. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:927077798] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Bernie is right. But I agree with this too: <cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>I'd rather just stop the mixing of sports and education</quote> Except that will never happen unfortunately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 09/06/19 7:08:08 PM #19:	Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:927077808] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:08:23 PM #20:	hockeybub89 posted... This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter. Just dissolve the NCAA, and let the schools decide how to handle this their damn selves. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927077818] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter.</quote> Just dissolve the NCAA, and let the schools decide how to handle this their damn selves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:08:47 PM #21:	Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" Complete_Idi0t posted... Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is LMAO ty --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927077840] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is </quote> LMAO ty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:09:43 PM #22:	fenderbender321 posted... You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough. So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927077875] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough.</quote> So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/06/19 7:09:59 PM #23:	hockeybub89 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter. you could replace "college" in your second sentence with literally any other institution and it would still be as true --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:927077886] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter.</quote> you could replace "college" in your second sentence with literally any other institution and it would still be as true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:10:04 PM #24:	Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" Complete_Idi0t posted... Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is LMAO ty If college football is pulling in so much damn revenue, where the hell is it going? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927077887] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is </quote> LMAO ty</quote> If college football is pulling in so much damn revenue, where the hell is it going?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
miki_sauvester 09/06/19 7:10:04 PM #25:	konokonohamaru posted... miki_sauvester posted... It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are. i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them? In most other countries (maybe all? I'm not sure if any other countries do this), college sports is supposed to be special precisely because it's amateur. For example, here in Japan they have a baseball league amongst the top universities (University of Tokyo, etc.) The level of play kind of sucks, but that is precisely what makes it special, because it's a league amongst people who got into those universities for their academic ability, and this is their last chance to compete in sports before they go on to succeed in other fields. In America, "college sports" just seems to be basically the equivalent of minor league sports in other countries, they're not students they're specifically "hired" for their sports ability (hence the argument they should get paid). It just makes me wonder what's the point then. <cite>miki_sauvester posted [p:927077888] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>miki_sauvester posted...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are.</quote> i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them?</quote> In most other countries (maybe all? I'm not sure if any other countries do this), college sports is supposed to be special precisely because it's amateur. For example, here in Japan they have a baseball league amongst the top universities (University of Tokyo, etc.) The level of play kind of sucks, but that is precisely what makes it special, because it's a league amongst people who got into those universities for their academic ability, and this is their last chance to compete in sports before they go on to succeed in other fields. In America, "college sports" just seems to be basically the equivalent of minor league sports in other countries, they're not students they're specifically "hired" for their sports ability (hence the argument they should get paid). It just makes me wonder what's the point then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:11:32 PM #26:	averagejoel posted... hockeybub89 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter. you could replace "college" in your second sentence with literally any other institution and it would still be as true Well sure, but this is education, not retail. It definitely shouldn't be a profit-only field. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927077962] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> This implies that all that sports profit is currently helping the schools. College needs a complete overhaul if we're just treating it like a moneymaking venture where only the shareholders matter.</quote> you could replace "college" in your second sentence with literally any other institution and it would still be as true</quote> Well sure, but this is education, not retail. It definitely shouldn't be a profit-only field.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:12:20 PM #27:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" Complete_Idi0t posted... Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is LMAO ty If college football is pulling in so much damn revenue, where the hell is it going? Why the hell does it matter? Whether its being funneled into some guys pockets or being used to help fund the schools, theyll still want to keep as much of it as they can rather than none of it! --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927077997] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>Where would they get the money from? Colleges are already expensive enough as it is </quote> LMAO ty</quote> If college football is pulling in so much damn revenue, where the hell is it going?</quote> Why the hell does it matter? Whether its being funneled into some guys pockets or being used to help fund the schools, theyll still want to keep as much of it as they can rather than none of it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:13:30 PM #28:	miki_sauvester posted... konokonohamaru posted... miki_sauvester posted... It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are. i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them? In most other countries (maybe all? I'm not sure if any other countries do this), college sports is supposed to be special precisely because it's amateur. For example, here in Japan they have a baseball league amongst the top universities (University of Tokyo, etc.) The level of play kind of sucks, but that is precisely what makes it special, because it's a league amongst people who got into those universities for their academic ability, and this is their last chance to compete in sports before they go on to succeed in other fields. In America, "college sports" just seems to be basically the equivalent of minor league sports in other countries, they're not students they're specifically "hired" for their sports ability (hence the argument they should get paid). It just makes me wonder what's the point then. Not every student-athlete is there on a full athletic scholarship. Every single one of them should still get a share if their work and their body is making the school money. If that's not happening in other countries either, then that's also wrong. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927078054] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>miki_sauvester posted...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>miki_sauvester posted...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that America allows people into good universities just based off of how good at sports they are.</quote> i don't really see the problem with that. People get admitted for being good at different things, why should sports not be one of them?</quote> In most other countries (maybe all? I'm not sure if any other countries do this), college sports is supposed to be special precisely because it's amateur. For example, here in Japan they have a baseball league amongst the top universities (University of Tokyo, etc.) The level of play kind of sucks, but that is precisely what makes it special, because it's a league amongst people who got into those universities for their academic ability, and this is their last chance to compete in sports before they go on to succeed in other fields. In America, "college sports" just seems to be basically the equivalent of minor league sports in other countries, they're not students they're specifically "hired" for their sports ability (hence the argument they should get paid). It just makes me wonder what's the point then.</quote> Not every student-athlete is there on a full athletic scholarship. Every single one of them should still get a share if their work and their body is making the school money. If that's not happening in other countries either, then that's also wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 7:13:37 PM #29:	hockeybub89 posted... fenderbender321 posted... You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough. So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst If you accepted the offer then what's the problem? --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927078057] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough.</quote> So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst</quote> If you accepted the offer then what's the problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/06/19 7:13:56 PM #30:	If they want this to be the case, 'college sports' should be separated from colleges. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:927078073] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>If they want this to be the case, 'college sports' should be separated from colleges. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanHaren2019 09/06/19 7:14:02 PM #31:	I think college athletes should get paid but a flat rate around the country - maybe like $10-15/hr. And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. Theres absolutely no question they should get paid. Its just a matter of ironing out the details about how. <cite>DanHaren2019 posted [p:927078077] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>I think college athletes should get paid but a flat rate around the country - maybe like $10-15/hr. And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. Theres absolutely no question they should get paid. Its just a matter of ironing out the details about how.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/06/19 7:15:24 PM #32:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers" How do you draw that conclusion? The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration. What....!? Youve someone gone beyond leaps into full hurdles in logic. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:927078132] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Soon: "Colleges abandoning sports programs in record numbers"</quote> How do you draw that conclusion?</quote> The only other option is to jack up tuition rates, again, which would be a non-starter with the federal government as the de jure nigh-monopsony in a Sanders administration.</quote> What....!? Youve someone gone beyond leaps into full hurdles in logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 7:15:32 PM #33:	DanHaren2019 posted... The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. I have a feeling money will make the parity better. Right now you have all the top athletes going to the same schools (Duke, Kentucky, etc) because of the reputation of the coach and the program. At least give some other schools the chance to lure a better player there with money. --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927078135] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>DanHaren2019 posted...</cite> <quote>The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. </quote> I have a feeling money will make the parity better. Right now you have all the top athletes going to the same schools (Duke, Kentucky, etc) because of the reputation of the coach and the program. At least give some other schools the chance to lure a better player there with money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:16:15 PM #34:	konokonohamaru posted... hockeybub89 posted... fenderbender321 posted... You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough. So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst If you accepted the offer then what's the problem? How far are we willing to take this? If someone doesn't say they have an issue with being beaten by their husband, should we leave the husband alone? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927078170] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You only need to pay people whatever it takes to get them to agree to sign up. Right now, free education and housing seems to be enough.</quote> So if businesses gave people free apartments and stopped paying them salaries, you'd find that ok? God, libertarians are the worst</quote> If you accepted the offer then what's the problem?</quote> How far are we willing to take this? If someone doesn't say they have an issue with being beaten by their husband, should we leave the husband alone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/06/19 7:16:54 PM #35:	DanHaren2019 posted... I think college athletes should get paid but a flat rate around the country - maybe like $10-15/hr. And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. Theres absolutely no question they should get paid. Its just a matter of ironing out the details about how. Are you saying the best players dont already go to the best schools for said sport? Im just really confused how its bad to go to the highest paying school but not bad in the current form where if youre not going to a prestigious D1 you might as well be playing for fun. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:927078195] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>DanHaren2019 posted...</cite> <quote>I think college athletes should get paid but a flat rate around the country - maybe like $10-15/hr. And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. The reason for the flat rate is, you'll end up having a bidding war between colleges....best players go to the highest paying colleges who end up being the best and can afford to pay more, and it spirals the parity out of control. Theres absolutely no question they should get paid. Its just a matter of ironing out the details about how.</quote> Are you saying the best players dont already go to the best schools for said sport? Im just really confused how its bad to go to the highest paying school but not bad in the current form where if youre not going to a prestigious D1 you might as well be playing for fun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/06/19 7:17:16 PM #36:	lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot /s --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:927078210] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:18:33 PM #37:	Shablagoo posted... Why the hell does it matter? Whether its being funneled into some guys pockets or being used to help fund the schools, theyll still want to keep as much of it as they can rather than none of it! Thus, if collegiate sport stops being revenue-positive, it's gone, alongside the token Title-IX sports it's already compelled to keep afloat. A handful of schools may be able to keep it going, but don't expect many survivors outside of the top 30 or so. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927078264] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite><quote>Why the hell does it matter? Whether its being funneled into some guys pockets or being used to help fund the schools, theyll still want to keep as much of it as they can rather than none of it!</quote> Thus, if collegiate sport stops being revenue-positive, it's gone, alongside the token Title-IX sports it's already compelled to keep afloat. A handful of schools may be able to keep it going, but don't expect many survivors outside of the top 30 or so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:19:49 PM #39:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927078312] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot</quote> I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:19:59 PM #40:	DanHaren2019 posted... And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927078321] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>DanHaren2019 posted...</cite> <quote> And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap.</quote> Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:20:03 PM #41:	hockeybub89 posted... How far are we willing to take this? If someone doesn't say they have an issue with being beaten by their husband, should we leave the husband alone? damn, that was good. RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot when did u go full troll lol or is dis sarcasm --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927078323] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>How far are we willing to take this? If someone doesn't say they have an issue with being beaten by their husband, should we leave the husband alone?</quote> damn, that was good. RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... </cite> <quote>lol between that and wanting to give free college he's an idiot</quote> when did u go full troll lol or is dis sarcasm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/06/19 7:21:19 PM #42:	Once again Bernie demonstrates that he's the best qualified candidate for President and knows what's best for the country. Every day he faces ridicule from the uneducated masses and the right wing propaganda machine. But more and more young people and progressives are seeing that his policies not only make sense, but they're the only way we as a nation can take back our position as a world leader in science, industry, exploration, education, and healthcare. Thank you, Bernie. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:927078380] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Once again Bernie demonstrates that he's the best qualified candidate for President and knows what's best for the country. Every day he faces ridicule from the uneducated masses and the right wing propaganda machine. But more and more young people and progressives are seeing that his policies not only make sense, but they're the only way we as a nation can take back our position as a world leader in science, industry, exploration, education, and healthcare. Thank you, Bernie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/06/19 7:21:51 PM #43:	Shablagoo posted... when did u go full troll lol or is dis sarcasm the /s means sarc oh its not there wait a moment --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:927078408] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote> when did u go full troll lol or is dis sarcasm </quote> the /s means sarc oh its not there wait a moment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 09/06/19 7:22:53 PM #44:	Questionmarktarius posted... DanHaren2019 posted... And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway? Some silly notions about "amateur sports" --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:927078454] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>DanHaren2019 posted...</cite> <quote> And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap.</quote> Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway?</quote> Some silly notions about "amateur sports"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/06/19 7:23:46 PM #46:	konokonohamaru posted... Questionmarktarius posted... DanHaren2019 posted... And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap. Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway? Some silly notions about "amateur sports" Even little league teams and shitty bowling leagues have boosters and sponsors. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927078497] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>konokonohamaru posted...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>DanHaren2019 posted...</cite> <quote> And they should be allowed to market themselves for money including sponsorship deals at no cap.</quote> Why in the hell is that forbidden, anyway?</quote> Some silly notions about "amateur sports"</quote> Even little league teams and shitty bowling leagues have boosters and sponsors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:23:56 PM #47:	Questionmarktarius posted... Thus, if collegiate sport stops being revenue-positive, it's gone, alongside the token Title-IX sports it's already compelled to keep afloat. A handful of schools may be able to keep it going, but don't expect many survivors outside of the top 30 or so. Dude what omg lol, the NCAA is an organization. How do you think pro leagues handle it? Revenue sharing in the NBA addresses the inequitable circumstances between small and big markets. As a result, all teams pool their annual revenue together and redistribute it from high grossing teams to low grossing ones. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/070715/nbas-business-model.asp --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927078505] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Thus, if collegiate sport stops being revenue-positive, it's gone, alongside the token Title-IX sports it's already compelled to keep afloat. A handful of schools may be able to keep it going, but don't expect many survivors outside of the top 30 or so.</quote> Dude what omg lol, the NCAA is an organization. How do you think pro leagues handle it? Revenue sharing in the NBA addresses the inequitable circumstances between small and big markets. As a result, all teams pool their annual revenue together and redistribute it from high grossing teams to low grossing ones. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/070715/nbas-business-model.asp </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 09/06/19 7:24:14 PM #48:	fenderbender321 posted... I love satire. Thank you. Too bad it wasn't. He's literally the best option we have. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:927078519] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>I love satire. Thank you. </quote> Too bad it wasn't. He's literally the best option we have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/06/19 7:24:58 PM #49:	hockeybub89 posted... I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money? If you calculated our perks and burden in the university system, I'm sure these 18 year olds are raking in quite a hefty salary. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:927078549] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money?</quote> If you calculated our perks and burden in the university system, I'm sure these 18 year olds are raking in quite a hefty salary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 7:28:08 PM #50:	COVxy posted... hockeybub89 posted... I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money? If you calculated our perks and burden in the university system, I'm sure these 18 year olds are raking in quite a hefty salary. But they aren't getting any salary. They are getting a scholarship and then being more restricted than anyone. Someone could get an academic scholarship and also find a way to make mad money while in school. But a random volleyball player might get in trouble for washing their car on campus or accepting a free lunch. Athletes are making the school money. Fuck the schools for not giving them a real piece of the pie. It's not like the revenue is actually helping the schools --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927078673] in Bernie San... [t:77993769]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I too love it when my employer keeps all the profit for himself. Why should I make money?</quote> If you calculated our perks and burden in the university system, I'm sure these 18 year olds are raking in quite a hefty salary. </quote> But they aren't getting any salary. They are getting a scholarship and then being more restricted than anyone. Someone could get an academic scholarship and also find a way to make mad money while in school. But a random volleyball player might get in trouble for washing their car on campus or accepting a free lunch. Athletes are making the school money. Fuck the schools for not giving them a real piece of the pie. It's not like the revenue is actually helping the schools</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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