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DarkRoast 09/06/19 6:35:52 PM #102:	Monkeys didn't "evolve into humans" Humans and primates evolved from a common ancestor. This is not that complicated. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927076463] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Monkeys didn't "evolve into humans" Humans and primates evolved from a common ancestor. This is not that complicated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/06/19 6:36:50 PM #103:	ssjevot posted... The people advocating for intelligent design here are making great arguments against it. I just can't believe an intelligent designer would make people so adverse to evidence. As someone who believes in God, Intelligent Design advocates (and Young Earth Creationists) are the bane of my existence. Along with anti-vaxxers, but that's a different story for a different day. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927076500] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote>The people advocating for intelligent design here are making great arguments against it. I just can't believe an intelligent designer would make people so adverse to evidence. </quote> As someone who believes in God, Intelligent Design advocates (and Young Earth Creationists) are the bane of my existence. Along with anti-vaxxers, but that's a different story for a different day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 09/06/19 6:39:54 PM #104:	ssjevot posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... My argument has always been that a monkey cannot evolve into a human. No one thinks they did? Like you understand that right? That no one thinks monkeys evolved into humans? We had a common ancestor that diverged millions of years ago into what would become humans and monkeys. There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:927076608] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted... </cite> <quote>My argument has always been that a monkey cannot evolve into a human.</quote> No one thinks they did? Like you understand that right? That no one thinks monkeys evolved into humans? We had a common ancestor that diverged millions of years ago into what would become humans and monkeys. </quote> There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 09/06/19 6:41:57 PM #105:	As much as anything in science can be considered 100% proven fact, which is to say, not at all. There's an enormous amount of evidence that evolution by natural selection - which, by the way, makes no attempt to explain the origins of life itself, but rather how it changes to suit its environment - happens in real life. That said, there was also an enormous amount of evidence that Newton's laws were correct, before Einstein corrected them. Now we know that Newtonian physics is a very accurate approximation under certain circumstances, but in exotic enough environments, it is no longer accurate. The same could very well happen with Darwinian evolution. As I say, his ideas are supported by much evidence today. But to consider something an immutable scientific fact is pretty unscientific. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:927076690] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>As much as anything in science can be considered 100% proven fact, which is to say, not at all. There's an enormous amount of evidence that evolution by natural selection - which, by the way, makes no attempt to explain the origins of life itself, but rather how it changes to suit its environment - happens in real life. That said, there was also an enormous amount of evidence that Newton's laws were correct, before Einstein corrected them. Now we know that Newtonian physics is a very accurate approximation under certain circumstances, but in exotic enough environments, it is no longer accurate. The same could very well happen with Darwinian evolution. As I say, his ideas are supported by much evidence today. But to consider something an immutable scientific fact is pretty unscientific. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/06/19 6:42:10 PM #106:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... If you mean evolution in that sense, then yes, I believe it That is the sense in which everyone means it when they discuss the theory of evolution. Exact lineages are not part of this. You don't have an issue with evolution. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:927076701] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted... </cite> <quote>If you mean evolution in that sense, then yes, I believe it</quote> That is the sense in which everyone means it when they discuss the theory of evolution. Exact lineages are not part of this. You don't have an issue with evolution. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/06/19 6:42:20 PM #107:	There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927076714] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/06/19 6:43:20 PM #108:	Cheese_Crackers posted... As much as anything in science can be considered 100% proven fact, which is to say, not at all. There's an enormous amount of evidence that evolution by natural selection - which, by the way, makes no attempt to explain the origins of life itself, but rather how it changes to suit its environment - happens in real life. That said, there was also an enormous amount of evidence that Newton's laws were correct, before Einstein corrected them. Now we know that Newtonian physics is a very accurate approximation under certain circumstances, but in exotic enough environments, it is no longer accurate. The same could very well happen with Darwinian evolution. As I say, his ideas are supported by much evidence today. But to consider something an immutable scientific fact is pretty unscientific. Natural selection is the theory Evolution is the observable fact that mutations are accumulated over time and this can result in activation / deactivation / gain / loss of protein function. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927076749] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted...</cite> <quote>As much as anything in science can be considered 100% proven fact, which is to say, not at all. There's an enormous amount of evidence that evolution by natural selection - which, by the way, makes no attempt to explain the origins of life itself, but rather how it changes to suit its environment - happens in real life. That said, there was also an enormous amount of evidence that Newton's laws were correct, before Einstein corrected them. Now we know that Newtonian physics is a very accurate approximation under certain circumstances, but in exotic enough environments, it is no longer accurate. The same could very well happen with Darwinian evolution. As I say, his ideas are supported by much evidence today. But to consider something an immutable scientific fact is pretty unscientific. </quote> Natural selection is the theory Evolution is the observable fact that mutations are accumulated over time and this can result in activation / deactivation / gain / loss of protein function.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 09/06/19 6:50:13 PM #109:	DarkRoast posted... Natural selection is the theory Evolution is the observable fact that mutations are accumulated over time and this can result in activation / deactivation / gain / loss of protein function. If the question is whether empirical observations are facts, then sure. But the real debate (between scientifically illiterate and literate) has always been something different. For some reason, when it involves the existence of human beings it becomes unbelievable. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:927077050] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>Natural selection is the theory Evolution is the observable fact that mutations are accumulated over time and this can result in activation / deactivation / gain / loss of protein function.</quote>If the question is whether empirical observations are facts, then sure. But the real debate (between scientifically illiterate and literate) has always been something different. For some reason, when it involves the existence of human beings it becomes unbelievable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 09/06/19 6:50:47 PM #110:	Anyone who doesnt believe in evolution has obviously never played Pokmon. --- These pretzels are making me thirsty! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:927077082] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who doesnt believe in evolution has obviously never played Pokmon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 09/06/19 6:59:19 PM #111:	DarkRoast posted... There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion. I'm sure you can, but the LCA still doesn't exist. How many years have we have been searching for it now? --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:927077442] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion.</quote> I'm sure you can, but the LCA still doesn't exist. How many years have we have been searching for it now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreamprism 09/06/19 7:00:26 PM #112:	Unless I want to split hairs over what you mean by 100%, yes, it's a proven fact. --- Walking all night to filter dawn's light into rainbows. * My Site: http://prismaticpenguin.com (needs updating) <cite>Dreamprism posted [p:927077485] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Unless I want to split hairs over what you mean by 100%, yes, it's a proven fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rodu_jr 09/06/19 7:01:24 PM #113:	It's been asked already, but question for those proposing ID, who designed the designer? <cite>rodu_jr posted [p:927077538] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>It's been asked already, but question for those proposing ID, who designed the designer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 09/06/19 7:03:51 PM #114:	rodu_jr posted... It's been asked already, but question for those proposing ID, who designed the designer? Well no one. Obviously Go... er... THE DESIGNER.... has always existed. Duh. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:927077634] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>rodu_jr posted...</cite> <quote>It's been asked already, but question for those proposing ID, who designed the designer?</quote> Well no one. Obviously Go... er... THE DESIGNER.... has always existed. Duh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/06/19 7:18:30 PM #115:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... DarkRoast posted... There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion. I'm sure you can, but the LCA still doesn't exist. How many years have we have been searching for it now? LCAs don't generally exist in the way creationists define them, thanks to their complete misunderstanding of how evolution works. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927078262] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>There is no evidence of a common ancestor, only more theories. If you're going tell me that we share 99% of the DNA with monkeys (which is not completely true), then I'm going to tell you that we share 90% of our DNA with a cat. I'd explain how mutations in ribosomal RNA can easily be used to trace ancestry and genetic timelines, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I say in terms of your opinion.</quote> I'm sure you can, but the LCA still doesn't exist. How many years have we have been searching for it now?</quote> LCAs don't generally exist in the way creationists define them, thanks to their complete misunderstanding of how evolution works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/06/19 7:53:45 PM #116:	As much as a scientific theory can be proven? Sure. A scientific theory needs to be falsifiable. It needs to be possible to be proven wring with the right evidence. All the evidence we have so far proves it true. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:927079746] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>As much as a scientific theory can be proven? Sure. A scientific theory needs to be falsifiable. It needs to be possible to be proven wring with the right evidence. All the evidence we have so far proves it true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/06/19 8:12:07 PM #117:	Common ancestry follows naturally from the observable phenomenon of evolution, and is thoroughly supported by DNA and the fossil record in a way that few other scientific theories can claim. If you cannot accept evolution, then you shouldn't be able to accept gravity either. Of course, the real reason people don't believe evolution has never been honest analysis of its evidence. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:927080471] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Common ancestry follows naturally from the observable phenomenon of evolution, and is thoroughly supported by DNA and the fossil record in a way that few other scientific theories can claim. If you cannot accept evolution, then you shouldn't be able to accept gravity either. Of course, the real reason people don't believe evolution has never been honest analysis of its evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/06/19 8:19:37 PM #118:	creativerealms posted... As much as a scientific theory can be proven? Sure. A scientific theory needs to be falsifiable. It needs to be possible to be proven wring with the right evidence. All the evidence we have so far proves it true. Like I said earlier. Evolution is a fact. If it later turns out we discover that evolution is actually caused by Fantastic Four style cosmic rays, all that means is our current understanding of evolution is wrong. It doesn't mean evolution itself is disproven. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:927080749] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite> <quote>As much as a scientific theory can be proven? Sure. A scientific theory needs to be falsifiable. It needs to be possible to be proven wring with the right evidence. All the evidence we have so far proves it true.</quote> Like I said earlier. Evolution is a fact. If it later turns out we discover that evolution is actually caused by Fantastic Four style cosmic rays, all that means is our current understanding of evolution is wrong. It doesn't mean evolution itself is disproven. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/06/19 8:28:02 PM #119:	If evolution isn't completely 100% fact, it's an incredibly close approximation of a similar process. Newtonian physics as compared to General Relativity, for example. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927081037] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>If evolution isn't completely 100% fact, it's an incredibly close approximation of a similar process. Newtonian physics as compared to General Relativity, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProbablyaCat 09/06/19 8:37:53 PM #120:	Hilarious topic. Lots of laughs in here <cite>ProbablyaCat posted [p:927081422] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Hilarious topic. Lots of laughs in here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/06/19 8:40:29 PM #121:	Fuparulez posted... Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design. Why does that make more sense? Why can't we accept randomness and disorder? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:927081534] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.</quote> Why does that make more sense? Why can't we accept randomness and disorder?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 09/06/19 8:45:45 PM #122:	hockeybub89 posted... Fuparulez posted... Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design. Why does that make more sense? Why can't we accept randomness and disorder? Because it hurts our fee-fees. --- Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girly scream? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:927081757] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.</quote> Why does that make more sense? Why can't we accept randomness and disorder?</quote> Because it hurts our fee-fees.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/06/19 8:50:26 PM #123:	Tyranthraxus posted... Like I said earlier. Evolution is a fact. If it later turns out we discover that evolution is actually caused by Fantastic Four style cosmic rays, all that means is our current understanding of evolution is wrong. It doesn't mean evolution itself is disproven. Oh i agree 100% just saying by it's nature, for something to be scientific it needs to be falsifiable. That is why Intelligent design isn't and never will be science. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:927081938] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Like I said earlier. Evolution is a fact. If it later turns out we discover that evolution is actually caused by Fantastic Four style cosmic rays, all that means is our current understanding of evolution is wrong. It doesn't mean evolution itself is disproven.</quote>Oh i agree 100% just saying by it's nature, for something to be scientific it needs to be falsifiable. That is why Intelligent design isn't and never will be science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/06/19 8:58:59 PM #124:	Intelligent design is creationism with a fresh coat of paint to make it look more like real science. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:927082305] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Intelligent design is creationism with a fresh coat of paint to make it look more like real science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 09/06/19 9:27:57 PM #125:	I'm extremely confused by this topic/question. How is it possible to believe in evolution but "not to that extent"?? What are you talking about?? What "extent" is this? Evolution is a pretty simple, straightforward theory. There's just not enough room in it to believe only part of it. The theory follows logically from the premises and the evidence, and doesn't really make too many statements beyond the observable, it really only tries to explain what everyone can see. Someone please explain, honestly I'm very confused. --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:927083513] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>I'm extremely confused by this topic/question. How is it possible to believe in evolution but "not to that extent"?? What are you talking about?? What "extent" is this? Evolution is a pretty simple, straightforward theory. There's just not enough room in it to believe only part of it. The theory follows logically from the premises and the evidence, and doesn't really make too many statements beyond the observable, it really only tries to explain what everyone can see. Someone please explain, honestly I'm very confused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 09/06/19 9:30:52 PM #126:	Seriously, what exactly is it about evolution that's so outlandish, so incredibly hard to believe. What's the problem. It's just a description of how life works. It's not even really saying that much. --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:927083615] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Seriously, what exactly is it about evolution that's so outlandish, so incredibly hard to believe. What's the problem. It's just a description of how life works. It's not even really saying that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 09/06/19 9:45:31 PM #127:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... COVxy posted... Even though I know you're probably just trolling, it's an important misconception to clear up. Evolution ~= the lineage of humans. And yet, the scientific community continue to make silly diagrams like this and pass it off as fact when it's nothing more than a theory. Like I'm expected to believe that the T-Rex evolved to become the modern bird because their diagram said so. If people expect me to fully believe in evolution (And I did when I was younger), they need to show more evidence. Like this for example. Why is it so difficult to believe that birds have a close common ancestor with the T-rex. Really? It's right there... my goodness, you can almost see it happening, like a picture slide. Don't you think that any other theory that could explain the mountains of evidence would have to be much more contrived? Evolution is so simple, it's practically common sense. --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:927084192] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Even though I know you're probably just trolling, it's an important misconception to clear up. Evolution ~= the lineage of humans.</quote> And yet, the scientific community continue to make silly diagrams like this and pass it off as fact when it's nothing more than a theory. Like I'm expected to believe that the T-Rex evolved to become the modern bird because their diagram said so. If people expect me to fully believe in evolution (And I did when I was younger), they need to show more evidence.</quote> Like this for example. Why is it so difficult to believe that birds have a close common ancestor with the T-rex. Really? It's right there... my goodness, you can almost see it happening, like a picture slide. Don't you think that any other theory that could explain the mountains of evidence would have to be much more contrived? Evolution is so simple, it's practically common sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 09/06/19 9:48:24 PM #128:	It's like it was MADE to be believed. You're talking a major, cosmological, universal, existential conspiracy theory here. --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:927084317] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>It's like it was MADE to be believed. You're talking a major, cosmological, universal, existential conspiracy theory here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 09/07/19 12:54:52 AM #129:	paerarru posted... I'm extremely confused by this topic/question. How is it possible to believe in evolution but "not to that extent"?? What are you talking about?? What "extent" is this? Evolution is a pretty simple, straightforward theory. There's just not enough room in it to believe only part of it. The theory follows logically from the premises and the evidence, and doesn't really make too many statements beyond the observable, it really only tries to explain what everyone can see. Someone please explain, honestly I'm very confused. Well you see, it's like this.... --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:927090879] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>paerarru posted...</cite> <quote>I'm extremely confused by this topic/question. How is it possible to believe in evolution but "not to that extent"?? What are you talking about?? What "extent" is this? Evolution is a pretty simple, straightforward theory. There's just not enough room in it to believe only part of it. The theory follows logically from the premises and the evidence, and doesn't really make too many statements beyond the observable, it really only tries to explain what everyone can see. Someone please explain, honestly I'm very confused.</quote> Well you see, it's like this.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kami_no_Kami 09/07/19 12:58:37 AM #130:	There are no facts in science, but its as close to a fact as gravity is, so... <cite>Kami_no_Kami posted [p:927090978] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>There are no facts in science, but its as close to a fact as gravity is, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wasssup Now 09/07/19 1:25:15 AM #131:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... And yet, the scientific community continue to make silly diagrams like this and pass it off as fact when it's nothing more than a theory. Like I'm expected to believe that the T-Rex evolved to become the modern bird because their diagram said so. If people expect me to fully believe in evolution (And I did when I was younger), they need to show more evidence. That's how scientific evolution works. Find anything that looks similar throughout history, make a chart, and then come up with anyway possible to connect them. <cite>Wasssup Now posted [p:927091665] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted... </cite> <quote>And yet, the scientific community continue to make silly diagrams like this and pass it off as fact when it's nothing more than a theory. Like I'm expected to believe that the T-Rex evolved to become the modern bird because their diagram said so. If people expect me to fully believe in evolution (And I did when I was younger), they need to show more evidence. </quote> That's how scientific evolution works. Find anything that looks similar throughout history, make a chart, and then come up with anyway possible to connect them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 09/07/19 3:22:00 AM #132:	Heineken14 posted... Well you see, it's like this.... lmao. not the pocket sand! I'm powerless against it. Wasssup Now posted... That's how scientific evolution works. Find anything that looks similar throughout history, make a chart, and then come up with anyway possible to connect them. ...yes, I guess I can see how it might look like that to a non-scientist. Is that really the whole problem, you just don't fully understand it? You just, on principle, distrust science. That's interesting. --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:927094114] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Heineken14 posted...</cite> <quote>Well you see, it's like this....</quote> lmao. not the pocket sand! I'm powerless against it. Wasssup Now posted...</cite> <quote>That's how scientific evolution works. Find anything that looks similar throughout history, make a chart, and then come up with anyway possible to connect them. </quote> ...yes, I guess I can see how it might look like that to a non-scientist. Is that really the whole problem, you just don't fully understand it? You just, on principle, distrust science. That's interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 09/07/19 9:48:21 AM #133:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Machete posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Machete posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... The theory that humans evolved from monkeys is so typical of human behavior. We look for any similarities in nature and we make a conclusion about it. There is very little science behind evolution to be honest, just a consensus. Just because we share some similar traits with monkey doesn't mean we evolve from monkeys. It's like saying a shark evolved from a dolphin because they both swim and have fins. There is a lack of evidence that humans evolved from monkeys. Humans have always been humans and monkeys have always been monkeys. The lack of understanding of things here is astounding. This is the biggest lie in the scientific community. You seem to believe that evolution is saying that modern monkeys have always been the same as they are now but then at some point some of them but not all of them evolved into humans. No, I'm saying that humans really don't know where they come from, but the school system have that evolution diagram in every class to perpetrate that lie that we evolved from monkeys. When you have a diagram of a monkey in an evolution diagram that looks exactly like a monkey, then that's what the school system is teaching children, regardless how of how truthful or untruthful it is. There are no real missing links that link humans to monkey in the evolutionary scale. The scientific community use a lot of confirmation bias over the years to link humans to monkeys. So basically, "stupid diagram that doesn't explain evolution at all and is just stupid diagram" = "evolution must be super fake" Got it. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:927099912] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>The theory that humans evolved from monkeys is so typical of human behavior. We look for any similarities in nature and we make a conclusion about it. There is very little science behind evolution to be honest, just a consensus. Just because we share some similar traits with monkey doesn't mean we evolve from monkeys. It's like saying a shark evolved from a dolphin because they both swim and have fins. There is a lack of evidence that humans evolved from monkeys. Humans have always been humans and monkeys have always been monkeys.</quote> The lack of understanding of things here is astounding.</quote> This is the biggest lie in the scientific community. </quote> You seem to believe that evolution is saying that modern monkeys have always been the same as they are now but then at some point some of them but not all of them evolved into humans.</quote> No, I'm saying that humans really don't know where they come from, but the school system have that evolution diagram in every class to perpetrate that lie that we evolved from monkeys. When you have a diagram of a monkey in an evolution diagram that looks exactly like a monkey, then that's what the school system is teaching children, regardless how of how truthful or untruthful it is. There are no real missing links that link humans to monkey in the evolutionary scale. The scientific community use a lot of confirmation bias over the years to link humans to monkeys.</quote> So basically, "stupid diagram that doesn't explain evolution at all and is just stupid diagram" = "evolution must be super fake" Got it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 09/07/19 9:53:49 AM #134:	LadyVyxx posted... Machete posted... Fuparulez posted... Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design. Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there. "But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it. ... Wat After reading that I need a stiff drink and a cigarette. I dont even know how to unpack all that lunacy I was at work when I read it, so a drink was off the table and I had to just reply and move on >_> --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:927100060] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>LadyVyxx posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design. Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there. "But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it.</quote> ... Wat</quote> After reading that I need a stiff drink and a cigarette. I dont even know how to unpack all that lunacy</quote> I was at work when I read it, so a drink was off the table and I had to just reply and move on >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 09/07/19 10:00:08 AM #135:	DarkRoast posted... Evolution has literally been observed. In controlled clinical settings. citation --- Tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:927100227] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Evolution has literally been observed. In controlled clinical settings.</quote> citation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 09/07/19 10:01:16 AM #136:	paerarru posted... Seriously, what exactly is it about evolution that's so outlandish, so incredibly hard to believe. What's the problem. It's just a description of how life works. It's not even really saying that much. Yeah but monkeys are monkeys and people are people. Durrrrrr how would a monkey just turn into a person, upside down face emoji --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:927100254] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>paerarru posted...</cite> <quote>Seriously, what exactly is it about evolution that's so outlandish, so incredibly hard to believe. What's the problem. It's just a description of how life works. It's not even really saying that much.</quote> Yeah but monkeys are monkeys and people are people. Durrrrrr how would a monkey just turn into a person, upside down face emoji</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/07/19 10:02:39 AM #137:	Fuparulez posted... Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design. There is 0 difference between those ideas. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:927100287] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.</quote> There is 0 difference between those ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 09/07/19 10:05:28 AM #138:	BillyKidd posted... citation You never heard of MRSA? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:927100366] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>BillyKidd posted... </cite> <quote>citation</quote>You never heard of MRSA? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/07/19 10:07:43 AM #139:	Evolution can be observed in almost realtime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8" data-time=" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:927100434] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Evolution can be observed in almost realtime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 09/07/19 11:36:04 AM #140:	Hell, put a strong enough electron microscope over your yogurt and you'll see it. I'm surprised the educated folk here are even bothering. To make it this far in life and not know better, no amount of proof that they could even manage to comprehend would make a difference. --- "A guy talking into the camera about politics? My favorite." - Phantom_Nook Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:927103172] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Hell, put a strong enough electron microscope over your yogurt and you'll see it. I'm surprised the educated folk here are even bothering. To make it this far in life and not know better, no amount of proof that they could even manage to comprehend would make a difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/07/19 2:23:16 PM #141:	BillyKidd posted... DarkRoast posted... Evolution has literally been observed. In controlled clinical settings. citation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment#Cit+_evolves_in_the_LTEE Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations. These have included changes that have oc< curred in all 12 populations and others that have only appeared in one or a few populations. For example, all 12 populations showed a similar pattern of rapid improvement in fitness that decelerated over time, faster growth rates, and increased cell size. Half of the populations have evolved defects in DNA repair that have caused mutator phenotypes marked by elevated mutation rates. The most striking adaptation reported so far is the evolution of aerobic growth on citrate, which is unusual in E. coli, in one population at some point between generations 31,000 and 31,500.[5][6] --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927109298] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Evolution has literally been observed. In controlled clinical settings.</quote> citation</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment#Cit+_evolves_in_the_LTEE Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations. These have included changes that have oc< curred in all 12 populations and others that have only appeared in one or a few populations. For example, all 12 populations showed a similar pattern of rapid improvement in fitness that decelerated over time, faster growth rates, and increased cell size. Half of the populations have evolved defects in DNA repair that have caused mutator phenotypes marked by elevated mutation rates. The most striking adaptation reported so far is the evolution of aerobic growth on citrate, which is unusual in E. coli, in one population at some point between generations 31,000 and 31,500.[5][6] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 09/07/19 2:43:33 PM #142:	e coli becoming stronger and/or mutating isn't evolution; end of the day, it's still e coli. Darwin's theory of evolution is that an animal, over time, will change to another animal based on the environment, ie. Velociraptor into a chicken or a black bear into a whale. There has yet to be any proof of this. To call e coli evolution, it would have to become a tadpole, fish, or something other than the bacteria. --- Tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:927110131] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>e coli becoming stronger and/or mutating isn't evolution; end of the day, it's still e coli. Darwin's theory of evolution is that an animal, over time, will change to another animal based on the environment, ie. Velociraptor into a chicken or a black bear into a whale. There has yet to be any proof of this. To call e coli evolution, it would have to become a tadpole, fish, or something other than the bacteria.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/07/19 2:46:24 PM #143:	You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927110252] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Matchabuu_ 09/07/19 2:49:28 PM #144:	MorbidFaithless posted... It's literally scientific fact. --- uwu SW-0239-3946-8686 <cite>_Matchabuu_ posted [p:927110388] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally scientific fact. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 09/07/19 2:51:01 PM #145:	BillyKidd posted... e coli becoming stronger and/or mutating isn't evolution; end of the day, it's still e coli. Darwin's theory of evolution is that an animal, over time, will change to another animal based on the environment, ie. Velociraptor into a chicken or a black bear into a whale. There has yet to be any proof of this. To call e coli evolution, it would have to become a tadpole, fish, or something other than the bacteria. This take is not really any less asinine than people non-jokingly trying to use the pokemon definition of evolution to explain actual evolution tbh --- https://talktotransformer.com The Internet is kind of the whole ****ing Internet. <cite>Machete posted [p:927110465] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote>e coli becoming stronger and/or mutating isn't evolution; end of the day, it's still e coli. Darwin's theory of evolution is that an animal, over time, will change to another animal based on the environment, ie. Velociraptor into a chicken or a black bear into a whale. There has yet to be any proof of this. To call e coli evolution, it would have to become a tadpole, fish, or something other than the bacteria.</quote> This take is not really any less asinine than people non-jokingly trying to use the pokemon definition of evolution to explain actual evolution tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Petrichoric 09/07/19 3:00:32 PM #147:	Wow! There are actually people on CE who don't believe in evolution. Fucking SAD <cite>Petrichoric posted [p:927110848] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>Wow! There are actually people on CE who don't believe in evolution. Fucking SAD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BillyKidd 09/07/19 3:04:12 PM #149:	AssultTank posted... So @BillyKidd you are saying that given enough time, small changes won't add up to massive ones? Because that is just ridiculous. I'm just saying it has yet to be proven. --- Tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:927111000] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>AssultTank posted...</cite> <quote>So @BillyKidd you are saying that given enough time, small changes won't add up to massive ones? Because that is just ridiculous.</quote> I'm just saying it has yet to be proven.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/07/19 3:05:09 PM #150:	"My inaccurate straw man-based understanding of evolution is so easy to counter!" --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:927111038] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>"My inaccurate straw man-based understanding of evolution is so easy to counter!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Petrichoric 09/07/19 3:06:36 PM #151:	DarkRoast posted... "My inaccurate straw man-based understanding of evolution is so easy to counter!" Billy also was a genuine believer in Pizzagate. Let's just say you're not exactly dealing with Stephen Hawking <cite>Petrichoric posted [p:927111094] in Do you con... [t:77987770]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>"My inaccurate straw man-based understanding of evolution is so easy to counter!"</quote> Billy also was a genuine believer in Pizzagate. Let's just say you're not exactly dealing with Stephen Hawking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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