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TheMikh 09/02/19 7:47:12 AM #51:	coh posted... Climate change is real. lol at thinking mere humans have any effect on it tho. Pure arrogance of man To play the devil's advocate, there have been shifts in global climate correlating with massive die-offs in the human population in the past. The Mongol Conquests and spread of Old World Diseases in the New World are examples off the top of my head. --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:926853712] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Climate change is real. lol at thinking mere humans have any effect on it tho. Pure arrogance of man </quote> To play the devil's advocate, there have been shifts in global climate correlating with massive die-offs in the human population in the past. The Mongol Conquests and spread of Old World Diseases in the New World are examples off the top of my head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/02/19 7:51:48 AM #52:	Do conservatives really think were arguing that humanity can wipe the Earth from existence entirely? lol Godnorgosh posted... darkjedilink posted... Godnorgosh posted... coh posted... Antifar posted... Why do you think like this Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not. What scientific findings blame Dorian solely on climate change? Why has the goalpost suddenly moved from "humans have a measurable impact on the Earth's climate" to "Dorian is entirely the result of human activity" Because you started responding to a sea lion. --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:926853788] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Do conservatives really think were arguing that humanity can wipe the Earth from existence entirely? lol Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you think like this</quote>Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. </quote> Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not.</quote> What scientific findings blame Dorian solely on climate change?</quote> Why has the goalpost suddenly moved from "humans have a measurable impact on the Earth's climate" to "Dorian is entirely the result of human activity"</quote> Because you started responding to a sea lion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 7:53:16 AM #53:	Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926853811] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/02/19 8:08:49 AM #54:	BilalPowell posted... You're missing the argument. It's not the climate change isnt real, it's that paying people like Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio to fly their private jets around wont end it. No one is arguing that it will. You care much more about Al Gore than the climate movement on 2019 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:926854081] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>You're missing the argument. It's not the climate change isnt real, it's that paying people like Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio to fly their private jets around wont end it.</quote> No one is arguing that it will. You care much more about Al Gore than the climate movement on 2019</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 8:38:16 AM #55:	DarkRoast posted... Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: This is a nice looking plot, but what point are you trying to make with it? Take a look at the table in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy It's under the headline "Atlantic hurricane seasons, 18512019" and is digitized to indicate how a year relates to the norm. Check out the last 30 years and see if they don't stick out like a sore thumb. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926854619] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: </quote> This is a nice looking plot, but what point are you trying to make with it? Take a look at the table in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy It's under the headline "Atlantic hurricane seasons, 18512019" and is digitized to indicate how a year relates to the norm. Check out the last 30 years and see if they don't stick out like a sore thumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 8:44:44 AM #56:	scar the 1 posted... DarkRoast posted... Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: This is a nice looking plot, but what point are you trying to make with it? Take a look at the table in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy It's under the headline "Atlantic hurricane seasons, 18512019" and is digitized to indicate how a year relates to the norm. Check out the last 30 years and see if they don't stick out like a sore thumb. Am I missing something here --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926854743] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Only morons don't believe in climate change That said, hurricanes are not really the best indicators of it: </quote> This is a nice looking plot, but what point are you trying to make with it? Take a look at the table in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy It's under the headline "Atlantic hurricane seasons, 18512019" and is digitized to indicate how a year relates to the norm. Check out the last 30 years and see if they don't stick out like a sore thumb.</quote> Am I missing something here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 8:48:52 AM #57:	DarkRoast posted... Am I missing something here I mean you're the one who has done some real data analysis in SPSS, I would think that you'd realize that doing some basic inference stuff would make your noisy plots more informative but what do I know --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926854837] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Am I missing something here</quote> I mean you're the one who has done some real data analysis in SPSS, I would think that you'd realize that doing some basic inference stuff would make your noisy plots more informative but what do I know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 8:49:34 AM #58:	That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926854844] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote> That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 8:51:06 AM #59:	DarkRoast posted... That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see. That's the Eastern pacific one. There's also an Atlantic one. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926854866] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see.</quote> That's the Eastern pacific one. There's also an Atlantic one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 09/02/19 8:53:00 AM #60:	they should start naming hurricanes after republicans --- If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:926854904] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>they should start naming hurricanes after republicans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/02/19 8:55:00 AM #61:	ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted... they should start naming hurricanes after republicans Hurricane Shitbag? --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:926854941] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...</cite> <quote>they should start naming hurricanes after republicans</quote> Hurricane Shitbag?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 8:58:06 AM #62:	scar the 1 posted... DarkRoast posted... That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see. That's the Eastern pacific one. There's also an Atlantic one. The one that starts like this? It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926854990] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>That's the info you told me to look at. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to obviously see.</quote> That's the Eastern pacific one. There's also an Atlantic one.</quote> The one that starts like this? It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RescueBC 09/02/19 8:58:18 AM #63:	EverDownward posted... I will concede that human action arguably has more probability to actually matter in the immediacy of time, but in the overall timeline our ecological footprint is mere seconds on a planet that has seen such catastrophe and destruction that to think we ultimately matter to this Earth is pretty shortsighted. Still, we should try to make our home a better place to live. I mean the Earth, the planet, and life in general will be fine but thinking that we dont affect our surroundings is something that Ive never understood. If photosynthesis releasing oxygen into the air as a waste product was enough to cause a mass extinction event, Im pretty sure we could cause one too. IMO we should try to not do that. --- 3DS friend code: 5455-9623-0727 <cite>RescueBC posted [p:926854992] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>I will concede that human action arguably has more probability to actually matter in the immediacy of time, but in the overall timeline our ecological footprint is mere seconds on a planet that has seen such catastrophe and destruction that to think we ultimately matter to this Earth is pretty shortsighted. Still, we should try to make our home a better place to live.</quote> I mean the Earth, the planet, and life in general will be fine but thinking that we dont affect our surroundings is something that Ive never understood. If photosynthesis releasing oxygen into the air as a waste product was enough to cause a mass extinction event, Im pretty sure we could cause one too. IMO we should try to not do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MudKip_Master 09/02/19 9:16:07 AM #64:	KINDERFELD posted... AppleBloom posted... Weve only been able to study hurricanes with any accuracy for the last 60 years though So that's 60 years of seeing hurricanes become increasingly more powerful. Wonder if that's significant based on statistics... Not when weve had weather for millions of years. <cite>MudKip_Master posted [p:926855368] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>KINDERFELD posted...</cite> <quote>AppleBloom posted... </cite> <quote>Weve only been able to study hurricanes with any accuracy for the last 60 years though</quote> So that's 60 years of seeing hurricanes become increasingly more powerful. Wonder if that's significant based on statistics... </quote> Not when weve had weather for millions of years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 9:22:57 AM #65:	There's a million things we can use to obviously show climate change. Sea ice, average ocean temperatures, etc. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926855526] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>There's a million things we can use to obviously show climate change. Sea ice, average ocean temperatures, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/02/19 9:40:44 AM #66:	Speaking of arrogance, where is the evidence that this particular hurricane is as strong as it is due to global warming and not some other factors? --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926855967] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Speaking of arrogance, where is the evidence that this particular hurricane is as strong as it is due to global warming and not some other factors? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ar0ge 09/02/19 9:43:05 AM #67:	KINDERFELD posted... masterpug53 posted... Not to be nitpicky, but is Dorian officially the strongest? Last I checked it's max sustained windspeed was 185 mph, which would put it at or just below Irma's max. Plus Irma was huuuuuge compared to Dorian. Yes its official. Irma's max was 177mph. To be fair, the official statement is that it is the strongest hurricane in modern history to hit the Bahamas. Does not mean it is the strongest hurricane. There have been many hurricanes to reach 185mph winds, more recently Hurricane Wilma in 2005 and another storm as far back as 1935. One hurricane in the 1980s reached 190mph winds. And if you want to include the Pacific, hurricane Patricia in 2015 reached a max of 215mph winds and is considered the strongest tropical cyclone on record in the world in terms of wind speed. Though climate change is a real problem, as someone else has said in this thread already, hurricanes aren't the best indication of it. <cite>Ar0ge posted [p:926856014] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>KINDERFELD posted...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite> <quote>Not to be nitpicky, but is Dorian officially the strongest? Last I checked it's max sustained windspeed was 185 mph, which would put it at or just below Irma's max. Plus Irma was huuuuuge compared to Dorian.</quote> Yes its official. Irma's max was 177mph. </quote> To be fair, the official statement is that it is the strongest hurricane in modern history to hit the Bahamas. Does not mean it is the strongest hurricane. There have been many hurricanes to reach 185mph winds, more recently Hurricane Wilma in 2005 and another storm as far back as 1935. One hurricane in the 1980s reached 190mph winds. And if you want to include the Pacific, hurricane Patricia in 2015 reached a max of 215mph winds and is considered the strongest tropical cyclone on record in the world in terms of wind speed. Though climate change is a real problem, as someone else has said in this thread already, hurricanes aren't the best indication of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/02/19 9:45:32 AM #68:	Godnorgosh posted... darkjedilink posted... Godnorgosh posted... darkjedilink posted... Godnorgosh posted... coh posted... Antifar posted... Why do you think like this Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not. What scientific findings blame Dorian solely on climate change? Why has the goalpost suddenly moved from "humans have a measurable impact on the Earth's climate" to "Dorian is entirely the result of human activity" Because you can't show the measurement of man's impact on the climate at all, yet still claim that Dorian is a result of humanity? Yes, we can show that and it's already been demonstrated thoroughly? Why do we need to refer to Dorian specifically? How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926856079] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you think like this</quote>Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. </quote> Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not.</quote> What scientific findings blame Dorian solely on climate change?</quote> Why has the goalpost suddenly moved from "humans have a measurable impact on the Earth's climate" to "Dorian is entirely the result of human activity"</quote> Because you can't show the measurement of man's impact on the climate at all, yet still claim that Dorian is a result of humanity?</quote> Yes, we can show that and it's already been demonstrated thoroughly? Why do we need to refer to Dorian specifically?</quote> How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tullock 09/02/19 9:49:21 AM #69:	darkjedilink posted... How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come. --- ImgTC owner. <cite>tullock posted [p:926856180] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 9:56:29 AM #70:	DarkRoast posted... It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew. Well, yeah? That's the point. Anyway my point is essentially that you can make literally the opposite point of what you're making depending on how you visualize the data. But you showing incredibly noisy time series that seemingly don't account for any sort of cyclical phenomena isn't really much of a case for anything. In the end hurricanes do act as an indicator of climate change, but you're right that it's not a good one, and that we have several other indicators that are more descriptive and accurate. However I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with that, though? It's quite clear that a warming climate will increase the severity of hurricanes. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926856343] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew.</quote> Well, yeah? That's the point. Anyway my point is essentially that you can make literally the opposite point of what you're making depending on how you visualize the data. But you showing incredibly noisy time series that seemingly don't account for any sort of cyclical phenomena isn't really much of a case for anything. In the end hurricanes do act as an indicator of climate change, but you're right that it's not a good one, and that we have several other indicators that are more descriptive and accurate. However I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with that, though? It's quite clear that a warming climate will increase the severity of hurricanes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 9:57:08 AM #71:	darkjedilink posted... How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? 100% of the weather is impacted by the climate. If the climate changes, so does the weather. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926856364] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> 100% of the weather is impacted by the climate. If the climate changes, so does the weather.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/02/19 10:10:53 AM #72:	Godnorgosh posted... Antifar posted... I don't know what practical purpose "the planet will survive, even if humans do not" serves us. George Carlin made them woke George Carlin was a modern day philisopher and the world is a worse place without him. <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:926856676] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know what practical purpose "the planet will survive, even if humans do not" serves us.</quote> George Carlin made them woke</quote> George Carlin was a modern day philisopher and the world is a worse place without him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/02/19 10:12:35 AM #73:	Also...with all the hurricanes that happen.....how hasn't Disneyworld been ruined by them? <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:926856713] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Also...with all the hurricanes that happen.....how hasn't Disneyworld been ruined by them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 09/02/19 10:18:25 AM #74:	scar the 1 posted... DarkRoast posted... It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew. Well, yeah? That's the point. Anyway my point is essentially that you can make literally the opposite point of what you're making depending on how you visualize the data. But you showing incredibly noisy time series that seemingly don't account for any sort of cyclical phenomena isn't really much of a case for anything. In the end hurricanes do act as an indicator of climate change, but you're right that it's not a good one, and that we have several other indicators that are more descriptive and accurate. However I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with that, though? It's quite clear that a warming climate will increase the severity of hurricanes. The problem, imo, is that if we focus on hurricanes as a key indicator of climate change, it's fuel for the climate change denialists that we are desperate to find proof, since hurricane tends are all over the place. The proof is pretty obvious when you look at most other things, imo. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926856860] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>It's like that up to 1950. Of course everything after it is "above normal" with that kind of mean-altering skew.</quote> Well, yeah? That's the point. Anyway my point is essentially that you can make literally the opposite point of what you're making depending on how you visualize the data. But you showing incredibly noisy time series that seemingly don't account for any sort of cyclical phenomena isn't really much of a case for anything. In the end hurricanes do act as an indicator of climate change, but you're right that it's not a good one, and that we have several other indicators that are more descriptive and accurate. However I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with that, though? It's quite clear that a warming climate will increase the severity of hurricanes.</quote> The problem, imo, is that if we focus on hurricanes as a key indicator of climate change, it's fuel for the climate change denialists that we are desperate to find proof, since hurricane tends are all over the place. The proof is pretty obvious when you look at most other things, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/02/19 10:28:58 AM #75:	Duncanwii posted... SoIidLegacy posted... but their actions can impact the climate enough to make it uninhabitable for humanity. This will never happen. Unless something extreme and sudden wipes out an enormous portion of the species at once, humans will adapt. Nope. Try again. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926857165] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> SoIidLegacy posted...</cite> <quote> but their actions can impact the climate enough to make it uninhabitable for humanity. </quote> This will never happen. Unless something extreme and sudden wipes out an enormous portion of the species at once, humans will adapt.</quote> Nope. Try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 11:02:30 AM #76:	DarkRoast posted... The problem, imo, is that if we focus on hurricanes as a key indicator of climate change, it's fuel for the climate change denialists that we are desperate to find proof, since hurricane tends are all over the place. The proof is pretty obvious when you look at most other things, imo. Well I disagree with this on several points. Firstly, I don't think anyone is focusing on hurricanes as a key indicator. However, hurricanes are very tangible disasters that can cost a lot of lives and wreck communities, and America gets affected by them. So it becomes quite natural to talk about them as one of the consequences of a heating climate. Secondly, hurricane trends aren't all over the place. Things are clearly getting worse, but will naturally vary with a lot of climate cycles. Thirdly, climate change denialists will continue to deny or trivialize climate change and its effect no matter what we do. There's no rational discourse or debate to be had here. These sentiments are funded by conservatives and corporations who want to make money, and the conversation will never be a constructive one, because that 1) is not in their interests and 2) doesn't work. So worrying about which talking point will fuel denialists more is futile, since there is a whole lobby whose entire purpose is to spread disinformation and obfuscate things, and they'll do that no matter what. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926858226] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>The problem, imo, is that if we focus on hurricanes as a key indicator of climate change, it's fuel for the climate change denialists that we are desperate to find proof, since hurricane tends are all over the place. The proof is pretty obvious when you look at most other things, imo.</quote> Well I disagree with this on several points. Firstly, I don't think anyone is focusing on hurricanes as a key indicator. However, hurricanes are very tangible disasters that can cost a lot of lives and wreck communities, and America gets affected by them. So it becomes quite natural to talk about them as one of the consequences of a heating climate. Secondly, hurricane trends aren't all over the place. Things are clearly getting worse, but will naturally vary with a lot of climate cycles. Thirdly, climate change denialists will continue to deny or trivialize climate change and its effect no matter what we do. There's no rational discourse or debate to be had here. These sentiments are funded by conservatives and corporations who want to make money, and the conversation will never be a constructive one, because that 1) is not in their interests and 2) doesn't work. So worrying about which talking point will fuel denialists more is futile, since there is a whole lobby whose entire purpose is to spread disinformation and obfuscate things, and they'll do that no matter what.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/02/19 11:05:30 AM #77:	This one is a little bit of everything. Inordinately high ocean temps make this storm stronger than it might have been in like...the 80s but the water around the Bahamas is also just really warm in general. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:926858340] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>This one is a little bit of everything. Inordinately high ocean temps make this storm stronger than it might have been in like...the 80s but the water around the Bahamas is also just really warm in general.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 09/02/19 11:26:14 AM #78:	Saying climate change isn't real should be moddable as trolling. It's a fact but we have to be fair to obvious republican bullshitters --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:926859055] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Saying climate change isn't real should be moddable as trolling. It's a fact but we have to be fair to obvious republican bullshitters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/02/19 11:41:35 AM #79:	tullock posted... darkjedilink posted... How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come. You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926859558] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>tullock posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come.</quote> You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Whatswrongwithu 09/02/19 11:43:50 AM #81:	We shouldve nuked it when we had the chance --- https://i.imgtc.ws/i3hKDXN.gif <cite>Whatswrongwithu posted [p:926859640] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>We shouldve nuked it when we had the chance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Petrichoric 09/02/19 11:44:07 AM #82:	Hairistotle posted... darkjedilink posted... tullock posted... darkjedilink posted... How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come. You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change... I can't believe you guys respond to posters who post like this. Shame on all of you who engage this guy Don't you know? Democrats caused his wife to dump him <cite>Petrichoric posted [p:926859650] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>tullock posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come.</quote> You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change...</quote> I can't believe you guys respond to posters who post like this. Shame on all of you who engage this guy</quote> Don't you know? Democrats caused his wife to dump him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kraidette 09/02/19 12:00:28 PM #83:	Godnorgosh posted... coh posted... Antifar posted... Why do you think like this Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not. Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. --- You're not a GameFAQs Diamond member. You must be a GameFAQs Diamond member to view this signature. <cite>Kraidette posted [p:926860279] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you think like this</quote>Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. </quote> Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not.</quote> Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 09/02/19 12:03:34 PM #84:	Kraidette posted... Godnorgosh posted... coh posted... Antifar posted... Why do you think like this Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not. Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. 1. Yes 2. LOL --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:926860399] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Kraidette posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you think like this</quote>Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. </quote> Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not.</quote> Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> 1. Yes 2. LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tullock 09/02/19 12:07:44 PM #85:	darkjedilink posted... tullock posted... darkjedilink posted... How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%? You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come. You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change... Nobody is claiming that at all, it's a take you pulled straight from your ass. --- ImgTC owner. <cite>tullock posted [p:926860545] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>tullock posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How much of the weather is impacted by climate change then? 10%? 25%? 80%?</quote> You're asking questions that we all know are impossible to quantify so that you can use that as an excuse to claim humans don't have any effect on climate change. You're as disingenuous as they come.</quote> You're positing that all hurricanes in the past 30 years are a direct result of man-made climate change, while also positing it's impossible to quantify climate change...</quote> Nobody is claiming that at all, it's a take you pulled straight from your ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 12:40:35 PM #86:	Kraidette posted... Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. wtf --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926861755] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Kraidette posted...</cite> <quote>Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kraidette 09/02/19 12:47:02 PM #87:	Taharqa_ posted... Kraidette posted... Godnorgosh posted... coh posted... Antifar posted... Why do you think like this Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not. Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. 1. Yes 2. LOL You didn't reject my first point. --- You're not a GameFAQs Diamond member. You must be a GameFAQs Diamond member to view this signature. <cite>Kraidette posted [p:926862012] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>Kraidette posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you think like this</quote>Because mankind is arrogant as fuck thinking we have any lasting influence on the planet. It's completely anthropocentric. </quote> Scientific findings don't really care if humans are arrogant or not.</quote> Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> 1. Yes 2. LOL</quote> You didn't reject my first point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/02/19 12:58:49 PM #88:	We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well. <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:926862445] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Petrichoric 09/02/19 12:59:52 PM #89:	HasaDiga posted... We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well. Also we created God and don't understand him at all <cite>Petrichoric posted [p:926862469] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>HasaDiga posted...</cite> <quote>We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well.</quote> Also we created God and don't understand him at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/02/19 1:03:36 PM #90:	scar the 1 posted... Kraidette posted... Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. wtf Maybe that poster sees things this way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlbDHejQFV4" data-time="&start=8 <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:926862590] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Kraidette posted...</cite> <quote>Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> wtf</quote> Maybe that poster sees things this way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlbDHejQFV4" data-time="&start=8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 1:04:40 PM #91:	HasaDiga posted... scar the 1 posted... Kraidette posted... Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans. wtf Maybe that poster sees things this way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlbDHejQFV4" data-time="&start=8 This is a very good domicile gimmick, friend. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926862642] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>HasaDiga posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Kraidette posted...</cite> <quote>Scientific findings are the height of human arrogance. You really think humans have the ability to understand how things actually work that they didn't create? Science is the worse religion to come along in the history of humans.</quote> wtf</quote> Maybe that poster sees things this way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlbDHejQFV4" data-time="&start=8</quote> This is a very good domicile gimmick, friend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/02/19 4:39:46 PM #92:	Petrichoric posted... HasaDiga posted... We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well. Also we created God and don't understand him at all We do understand god seeing as humans invented him --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926871884] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote><cite>Petrichoric posted...</cite> <quote>HasaDiga posted...</cite> <quote> We didn't create trees but I'd say we understand those pretty damn well.</quote> Also we created God and don't understand him at all</quote> We do understand god seeing as humans invented him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngryRedHatter 09/02/19 4:54:09 PM #93:	What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. --- Keep America Great <cite>AngryRedHatter posted [p:926872499] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/02/19 4:55:33 PM #94:	AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:926872552] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote>What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngryRedHatter 09/02/19 5:00:34 PM #95:	Antifar posted... AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes I did mention that it's summer. --- Keep America Great <cite>AngryRedHatter posted [p:926872742] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes</quote> I did mention that it's summer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 09/02/19 5:04:18 PM #96:	AngryRedHatter posted... Antifar posted... AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes I did mention that it's summer. Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water. --- Tribalism is bad mkay. Shouldnt have to explain that. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:926872886] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes</quote> I did mention that it's summer.</quote> Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 5:09:14 PM #97:	CommonJoe posted... AngryRedHatter posted... Antifar posted... AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes I did mention that it's summer. Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water. You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019 --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926873069] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes</quote> I did mention that it's summer.</quote> Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water.</quote> You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 09/02/19 5:12:23 PM #98:	scar the 1 posted... CommonJoe posted... AngryRedHatter posted... Antifar posted... AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes I did mention that it's summer. Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water. You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019 --- Tribalism is bad mkay. Shouldnt have to explain that. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:926873207] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year.</quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes</quote> I did mention that it's summer.</quote> Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water.</quote> You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngryRedHatter 09/02/19 5:25:40 PM #99:	scar the 1 posted... CommonJoe posted... AngryRedHatter posted... Antifar posted... AngryRedHatter posted... What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. Warm water strengthens hurricanes I did mention that it's summer. Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water. You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019 Why does the amount of time I've been here matter? --- Keep America Great <cite>AngryRedHatter posted [p:926873750] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote> AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> AngryRedHatter posted...</cite> <quote> What does a hurricane have to do with climate change? It's summer. It's hot and hurricanes happen at this time of year. </quote> Warm water strengthens hurricanes </quote> I did mention that it's summer. </quote> Its that the water is hella hotter than it typically is. I live in Florida and have for most of my life. We had searing temperatures way earlier than usual. Close to 100+ heat indexes before June 21st. I predicted wed get a Cat 5 this year and I was right. Its slowed down but if it sits off the cost in the Atlantic for long it could strengthen again off the hot ocean water.</quote> You're responding to an account that was created in August 2019</quote> Why does the amount of time I've been here matter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 09/02/19 5:30:34 PM #100:	Climate change has been happening even before we started recording weather. Did people forget the Ice Age? Now, if you're trying to do some global warming fearmongering, there's no correlation at all. All I see is ignorance. People overreact to nature like chicken little expecting the sky to fall. It's hot, it's cold, it's raining, it's not raining....it's all because of global warming. Hurricanes have been happening since the the birth of the planet and Camille has this one beat by far. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:926873952] in Hurricane ... [t:77980352]...</cite> <quote>Climate change has been happening even before we started recording weather. Did people forget the Ice Age? Now, if you're trying to do some global warming fearmongering, there's no correlation at all. All I see is ignorance. People overreact to nature like chicken little expecting the sky to fall. It's hot, it's cold, it's raining, it's not raining....it's all because of global warming. Hurricanes have been happening since the the birth of the planet and Camille has this one beat by far.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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