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Duncanwii
08/30/19 10:20:23 PM
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Those idiot Dexiters are going to potentially ruin things if Gamefreak decides mobile games and spinoffs sell better then core franchise titles. Because thats realistically whats going to happen if the Dexiters get what they desire sales wise. They arent going to think its a gameplay issue, they'll think its a fanbase issue (well, it is but not the way they think.) You can kiss your main games goodbye if they feel they arent msking the money they want.
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LostForest
08/30/19 10:22:56 PM
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Gamefreak doesn't get to decide what they make, TPC does, and they're just barely majority-owned by Nintendo.

Mainline Pokemon titles always sell like fucking bonkers and so will SwSh. The main games aren't going anywhere.
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jpenny2
08/30/19 10:23:15 PM
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So we should buy the games even if we think they're incomplete and potentially bad?
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Duncanwii
08/30/19 10:25:26 PM
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jpenny2 posted...
So we should buy the games even if we think they're incomplete and potentially bad?

No. But if people protest enough stuff like Pokemon Masters and Let's Go sell more overall then Gamefreak is going to take notice. They will look after the bottom line and if Sword and Shield dont sell well they might cut the cord altogether.
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Hop103
08/30/19 10:30:01 PM
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LostForest posted...
Gamefreak doesn't get to decide what they make, TPC does, and they're just barely majority-owned by Nintendo.

Mainline Pokemon titles always sell like fucking bonkers and so will SwSh. The main games aren't going anywhere.


Sword and Shield will sell 5 million tops and bomb in Japan.
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jpenny2
08/30/19 10:33:59 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
So we should buy the games even if we think they're incomplete and potentially bad?

No. But if people protest enough stuff like Pokemon Masters and Let's Go sell more overall then Gamefreak is going to take notice. They will look after the bottom line and if Sword and Shield dont sell well they might cut the cord altogether.

When they said they can't include a full dex because of limited development time, they were basically telling me they were intentionally releasing an inferior product. If that's the way they're going to do things, then maybe it doesn't matter if they move to mobile games and spin-offs.
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Umbreon
08/30/19 10:34:35 PM
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We'll be fine.
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Duncanwii
08/30/19 10:35:42 PM
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jpenny2 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
So we should buy the games even if we think they're incomplete and potentially bad?

No. But if people protest enough stuff like Pokemon Masters and Let's Go sell more overall then Gamefreak is going to take notice. They will look after the bottom line and if Sword and Shield dont sell well they might cut the cord altogether.

When they said they can't include a full dex because of limited development time, they were basically telling me they were intentionally releasing an inferior product. If that's the way they're going to do things, then maybe it doesn't matter if they move to mobile games and spin-offs.

I dont understand how anyone who loves Pokemon could say that.
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jpenny2
08/30/19 10:46:03 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
So we should buy the games even if we think they're incomplete and potentially bad?

No. But if people protest enough stuff like Pokemon Masters and Let's Go sell more overall then Gamefreak is going to take notice. They will look after the bottom line and if Sword and Shield dont sell well they might cut the cord altogether.

When they said they can't include a full dex because of limited development time, they were basically telling me they were intentionally releasing an inferior product. If that's the way they're going to do things, then maybe it doesn't matter if they move to mobile games and spin-offs.

I dont understand how anyone who loves Pokemon could say that.

I don't have to keep loving it if it's not good. Gen 7 was lackluster, and Gen 8 is looking to be worse. On top of that, I will have to go out and buy a Switch if I even want to play it. I've been playing Pokemon since Red and Blue, but that doesn't mean I'm going to keep playing no matter what direction the franchise takes. Maybe things will change and Gen 8 will be better than it looks. I hope that happens, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.
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Duncanwii
08/30/19 10:49:42 PM
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I'll make sure to buy extra copies

Both my gf and I are getting opposite versions and will give each other version exclusives.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/30/19 10:50:22 PM
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Pokemon will sell like absolute gangbusters even if Sword/Shield are extremely underwhelming.
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KeeperOfShadows
08/30/19 10:51:55 PM
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People say this about every popular franchise that produces a gacha game, and to my knowledge it still hasn't happened once. Gacha games are easy moneymakers, true, but I don't think any big developer wants them as their core gaming model. Probably because there's no guarantee people will continue to spend, or even play the games, after so long.

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Evening_Dragon
08/30/19 10:59:28 PM
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Legacy matters not; when the tree rots, even if it's a thousand years old, it should be cut down.
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Duncanwii
08/30/19 11:00:24 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
Legacy matters not; when the tree rots, even if it's a thousand years old, it should be cut down.

Ok? The tree is still going strong, babies are just crying because it isnt dropping the fruit they want.
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DarkChozoGhost
08/30/19 11:05:19 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Because thats realistically whats going to happen if the Dexiters get what they desire sales wise

Wrong. Gamefreak is well aware that the removal of the national pokemon is the biggest reason people are avoiding it.

The people that are against dexit are good for the series, the people that support it are bad for the series
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Evening_Dragon
08/30/19 11:06:38 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
Legacy matters not; when the tree rots, even if it's a thousand years old, it should be cut down.

Ok? The tree is still going strong, babies are just crying because it isnt dropping the fruit they want.


You're the one saying dexiters can potentially ruin it, so clearly, you do not believe this.
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jpenny2
08/30/19 11:10:21 PM
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Calling the people who have an issue with this "babies" and "idiots" isn't a valid argument.
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Duncanwii
08/30/19 11:13:43 PM
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jpenny2 posted...
Calling the people who have an issue with this "babies" and "idiots" isn't a valid argument.

It is when they send death threats to main producers and bombard any and all things Pokemon on twitter with Dexit nonsense. They are acting like babies and idiots and that how Ill treat them.
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Evening_Dragon
08/30/19 11:17:14 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
Calling the people who have an issue with this "babies" and "idiots" isn't a valid argument.

It is when they send death threats to main producers and bombard any and all things Pokemon on twitter with Dexit nonsense. They are acting like babies and idiots and that how Ill treat them.


Are you saying everyone who complains is also sending death threats?
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jpenny2
08/30/19 11:26:06 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
jpenny2 posted...
Calling the people who have an issue with this "babies" and "idiots" isn't a valid argument.

It is when they send death threats to main producers and bombard any and all things Pokemon on twitter with Dexit nonsense. They are acting like babies and idiots and that how Ill treat them.

I would assume, since I haven't heard of this, that it's a tiny percentage of people reacting in that way, just as a tiny percentage of any group tends to take things way too far. But it's funny that you didn't mention any of that earlier. At the start, they were idiots because they were protesting. Now they're idiots because some of them are sending death threats. It's almost like you're moving the goalposts here.
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LostForest
08/31/19 1:08:27 AM
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Hop103 posted...
LostForest posted...
Gamefreak doesn't get to decide what they make, TPC does, and they're just barely majority-owned by Nintendo.

Mainline Pokemon titles always sell like fucking bonkers and so will SwSh. The main games aren't going anywhere.


Sword and Shield will sell 5 million tops and bomb in Japan.


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DarkChozoGhost
08/31/19 1:30:46 AM
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Spamming everything Sword and Shield related on twitter with dexit comments is a good thing for the series. They'll see that the fans want them to reverse this unethical decision
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Benify
08/31/19 1:42:32 AM
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Quality Pokemon games died when Sun and Moon came out.
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Duncanwii
08/31/19 1:47:23 AM
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Benify posted...
Quality Pokemon games died when Sun and Moon came out.

I liked Gen 7.
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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 1:57:05 AM
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As much as people shit on Gen 6 it has aged pretty well. I'm no longer interested in Pokemon games after the shit that was (BD)S&M

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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 1:57:28 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
I liked Gen 7.
Shocked

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Duncanwii
08/31/19 2:06:42 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
I liked Gen 7.
Shocked

It had a good story and a decent selection of Pokemon. Yeah it was easy but all the Pokemon games are. Plus, you know, Professor Kukui best Professor.
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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 2:11:40 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
It had a good story and a decent selection of Pokemon. Yeah it was easy but all the Pokemon games are. Plus, you know, Professor Kukui best Professor.
It was plagued by too many non skippable cutscenes plus the hour long tutorial. As good as some of the pokes were it's just not fun to play through again

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Duncanwii
08/31/19 2:14:26 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
It had a good story and a decent selection of Pokemon. Yeah it was easy but all the Pokemon games are. Plus, you know, Professor Kukui best Professor.
It was plagued by too many non skippable cutscenes plus the hour long tutorial. As good as some of the pokes were it's just not fun to play through again

Yes, RPGs tend to have cutscenes. Maybe the genre is just not for you.
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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 2:51:19 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Yes, RPGs tend to have cutscenes. Maybe the genre is just not for you.
Lol okay dunky donuts
I'm letting this slide because you don't know me.

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Duncanwii
08/31/19 2:52:05 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Yes, RPGs tend to have cutscenes. Maybe the genre is just not for you.
Lol okay dunky donuts

Please dont call me that.
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Umbreon
08/31/19 2:53:45 AM
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Rpgs have cutscenes yes, but sometimes they overdo it. It's a legitimate criticism.

Honestly maybe I'm just getting old, but the magic just wasn't there for the last couple of games. Sun and Moon were alright, but nothing really wowed me. Nothing sucked me in.

I remember liking Black and White because it just had a different feel to it. Maybe it was because it was one of gamefreak's first real attempt at story beyond "Catch Pokemon, collect badges, defeat the evil team, become champion". Maybe it was because you only ran into new Pokemon(for the most part?) until post game. Maybe it was it seemed like the game was acknowledging it's fanbase was older.

Compare to X and Y. A lot of Flash, but nothing really memorable about the game itself. Team Flare was the worst team by far. Their admins don't even have names. Something even Team Rocket had in the remakes. Even the Aqua and Magma admins, who were basically grunts with slightly stronger Pokemon, became actual characters in OrAs.

Their leader was a dude who you pegged as the evil leader before he even said a word, and he was basically a stronger admin.

Gym leaders were fairly forgettable, as was the champion.

Sun and Moon was... alright. It was a passable game and that's about it. Team Skull was entertaining, and Lusamilf is miles about what we had last time.

...But then Ultra Sun/Moon was released and it seems like I wasted my money buying Sun/Moon.
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Duncanwii
08/31/19 2:57:43 AM
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Umbreon posted...
...But then Ultra Sun/Moon was released and it seems like I wasted my money buying Sun/Moon.

The overall story and experience is better in Vanilla Sun/Moon. The Ultra games have more Pokemon and stuff to do, but the overall experience is worse from what Ive seen.
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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 3:02:00 AM
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I used to defend you dunky. Guess I should've listened to the others

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inloveanddeath0
08/31/19 3:03:02 AM
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Also the only respectable Duncan in Pokemon is Duncankneedeep aka Duncan can't die or whatever he changed it to

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Duncanwii
08/31/19 3:03:34 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
I used to defend you dunky. Guess I should've listened to the others

Im Sorry? Who are you mysterious stranger :0
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LostForest
08/31/19 12:19:04 PM
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Umbreon posted...
I remember liking Black and White because it just had a different feel to it. Maybe it was because it was one of gamefreak's first real attempt at story beyond "Catch Pokemon, collect badges, defeat the evil team, become champion". Maybe it was because you only ran into new Pokemon(for the most part?) until post game. Maybe it was it seemed like the game was acknowledging it's fanbase was older.


Black & White are the only games with a legitimately good story. I fucking love BW.

And yeah X & Y was a fucking mess. I couldn't stand the story or the characters. It was too over the top.

FWIW Duncan, I may not agree about SwSh, but I did like Sun & Moon. The cutscenes weren't as bad as people are making then out to be, and they did a good job of making the game feel fresh compared to other entries.
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DezDroppedFreak
08/31/19 12:23:27 PM
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Man you really dont like that people dont like whats been coming out from the new Pokmon games

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