Poll of the Day > So...about that new Tool album...

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OhhhJa posted...

Lol are you seriously using anecdotal evidence? Omg

an anonymous twitter account is also anecdotal

OhhhJa posted...

This happens all the time with bands and other celebrities. It gets swept under the rug because are "but I like the band so I dont care." Lots of bands out there. I'll have some backbone and listen to bands that arent doing s*** like that

i mean nobody is denying these guys sleep around, but raping underage girls is a serious allegation. you don't just say that without evidence or any way to back it up, and certainly not on twitter. you should be going to the police with it.

OhhhJa posted...

Sounds like something the alt right would say

aw shucks you got me
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Ohhhja have you considered just shutting up and leaving the topic?

You dont like the group, thats not gonna change. So youre just here being acting like a stinker and pissing people off.

Go do something else

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you know that trump, also, has those accusations following him around and yet you still choose to support him

so

your morality really has nothing to do with it
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Lol you guys think I like trump but what it really is... I just dont like you guys

So I enjoy tearing down your obvious clickbait because it makes you guys so mad

oh are you one of those "i wouldn't be conservative if you guys weren't so mean to me :(" people

foh
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Also, lol at the irony of you guys being like "trump is 100% a rapist" while simultaneously defending this by saying there is no absolute proof. The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is strong with you lot

Yeah... I'm conservative. An atheist metal drummer with long hair is a conservative... you guys are hilarious

Or desperate. Not sure which

Lol you guys think I like trump but what it really is... I just dont like you guys

the feeling is mutual

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OhhhJa posted...

Yeah... I'm conservative. An atheist metal drummer with long hair is a conservative... you guys are hilarious

left-leaning centrist then
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OhhhJa posted...

Yeah Danny carey is definitely the highlight of tool for sure. I agree that neil peart is insanely overrated. Lots of 70s prog drummers mop the floor with him. Phil Collins is super underrated. If you havent heard his work with brand x, it makes peart look like a novice

I dunno, Justin goes pretty hard on the bass too and him and Danny sort of become one creature on a lot of those tracks.

That being said, I also think Phil Collins was a better drummer than frontman, but the 80's had to happen. At least Jason Bonham could pull off being a frontman and drummer at the same time but his band didn't really go places. Neither did Methods of Mayhem when Tommy Lee tried.

Let's face it, there's a good reason very few drummers are also lead vocals...
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Let's face it, there's a good reason very few drummers are also lead vocals

i think the drummer of atreyu is now the lead vocalist
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OhhhJa posted...

So I enjoy tearing down your obvious clickbait because it makes you guys so mad

so your response to clickbait is to tear it down with clickbait

weird strategy but i don't think it's ever paid off for you though
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Yeah probably 18th listen through and Danny is definitely the constant that makes it great. Especially on Pneuma.
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likehelly posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Let's face it, there's a good reason very few drummers are also lead vocals

i think the drummer of atreyu is now the lead vocalist

But is he still behind the kit?

I'm guessing the answer is no.
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Firewood18 posted...

Yeah probably 18th listen through and Danny is definitely the constant that makes it great. Especially on Pneuma.

Danny really is...Great.

Here's how I've always ranked the main albums, and I'm going to ramble a bit so bear with me.

Opiate and Undertow are on their own level. Very different than the rest, early works. Paul's albums really.

Something happens with them going into nima and they tap into something. They're onto something. They've tapped into something they almost can't control.

Then, they try to capture it again on Lateralus. Good album, but it's missing...I dunno, something. It's intangible, and fleeting, but something is a little off-center there.

Then, 10,000 Days. It's so smart. It's also way too much Maynard navel-gazing. It's a solid album, but it's too much. It's the first album where you just let it happen, let it wash over you, don't try and understand it, it's too dense. They went too deep on that one. It's too challenging for casual listening. It's a doctorate. Nobody gets it until the double album/split track list order is discovered.

They deny that is ever the intent, but the laced version makes more sense in every important sense, and doesn't have the total ADD aspect in the album track order. The stitched version makes more sense and the band claims that was just a coincidence. Who knows?

Then, well over a decade passes and the band members do other things. Maynard has 3 bands and a restaurant and a farm because, Maynard is gonna Maynard.

I have no idea what the rest of the band is up to during the hiatus tbh.

They walk into the studio a decade later, and spend two years fighting over this album.

And it's fucking magical. Suspiciously lacking the odd joke track in the B-side...it's going to take me some more time to unravel Fear Inoculum, but it took me 4 or 5 years to think I had a handle on nima, and I still hear parts on the albums since that I've missed despite repeated listens.

Took me 2 years to catch certain riffs on nima that loop back around across the entire album.

And that's the other thing...Undertow and Opiate can be broken down into tracks, all separate from the others. From nima onwards, the albums are compositions where no track exists within a vacuum. They become symphonies.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Let's face it, there's a good reason very few drummers are also lead vocals...

Yeah, it's difficult. Drummers have to really simplify their playing to do it. That's why later genesis, Phil Collins is barely doing anything and it's sad to me because he's an amazing player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7mYqaMKXA" data-time="

There's a drum solo in the middle that is fucking nuts

But is he still behind the kit?

I'm guessing the answer is no.

I only know of a couple metal drummers that are the main vocalists. One is autopsy's drummer and he everything he does is pretty simple. They're doom death so it's mostly slower and when it isnt he's generally just doing skank beats

I'd give the album a 5-6/10, (4/10 feels low in my opinion) but this review sums up how I feel about the album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE" data-time="
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