Current Events > Voting machine are changing people's vote

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Terrifying
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Trial run before implementing them nation wide next year. Fix is in.
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Not surprised.

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this is why the machines shouldn't be 100% digital.

Everything I've voted on has been an extremely simple computer with just red lights. I've never had a screen like this. If your voting machine runs on an operating system, the chances for glitches and trickery only go up.

Think about it: Can you wirelessly hack a basic calculator? Most likely not.
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Whatever, it don't matter.
None of this matters.
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According to plan.
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the only solution: totally transparent voting. people must reveal who they voted for to everyone

it doesnt seem like most people care about secrecy anyways, since theyre so vocal about who they do and dont support

there will be some kinda online data base where you can literally check and see who everyone voted for and you can check your own to verify that its accurate

lol i dunno just throwin out ideas yall

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SSJCAT posted...

the only solution: totally transparent voting. people must reveal who they voted for to everyone

it doesnt seem like most people care about secrecy anyways, since theyre so vocal about who they do and dont support

there will be some kinda online data base where you can literally check and see who everyone voted for and you can check your own to verify that its accurate

lol i dunno just throwin out ideas yall

Now this is a bad idea.
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SSJCAT posted...

there will be some kinda online data base where you can literally check and see who everyone voted for and you can check your own to verify that its accurate

You can have some way of checking your own vote to verify without making it non-secret, eg giving everyone who votes some sort of secret identifier that they can then look up online later. not sure how much that would really help but I guess in theory it might?
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kirbymuncher posted...

You can have some way of checking your own vote to verify without making it non-secret, eg giving everyone who votes some sort of secret identifier that they can then look up online later. not sure how much that would really help but I guess in theory it might?

yea thats probably smarter lol

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Caution998 posted...

this is why the machines shouldn't be 100% digital.

Everything I've voted on has been an extremely simple computer with just red lights. I've never had a screen like this. If your voting machine runs on an operating system, the chances for glitches and trickery only go up.

Think about it: Can you wirelessly hack a basic calculator? Most likely not.

Yup. The fact that this could very easily be accidental is horrifying, we should not be using a system that's so unstable.

*puts on tinfoil hat"
The Russians are at it again!
*takes off tinfoil hat*

I've never experienced that problem because my state still uses the older machines with the rotary dial, no touch screens. Sure it takes more time to go through the entire ballot and is very cumbersome to use, but if there is a mistake on the cast ballot, it is 100% of the time user error, not the machine. The only drawback here is that our machines are not required to leave a paper trail in case the data becomes corrupted or otherwise inaccessible.
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The software industry is entirely ill-equipped to program voting machines, and I've been a software engineer for 10 years

I understand a little better why paper ballots are still used where I live.
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This is why everybody should have a separate Voting ID #.

Then there should be a publicly released SpreadSheet associating which Voting ID # voted for what that is accessible to all.

This is how you do transparency while maintaining some semblance of privacy.

And you and all your friends and family can validate if the votes are correct on the spread sheet and if the spread sheet is accurate.

Transparency is key, not relying on Computers for everything.

And when you combine the Spread sheet results from multiple regions, you get a final vote on things.

This along with "Proportional Representation" per seat is key to a TRUEly accurate Representative Democracy.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

This is why everybody should have a separate Voting ID #.

Then there should be a publicly released SpreadSheet associating which Voting ID # voted for what that is accessible to all.

This is how you do transparency while maintaining some semblance of privacy.

And you and all your friends and family can validate if the votes are correct on the spread sheet and if the spread sheet is accurate.

Transparency is key, not relying on Computers for everything.

And when you combine the Spread sheet results from multiple regions, you get a final vote on things.

This along with "Proportional Representation" per seat is key to a TRUEly accurate Representative Democracy.

here we go we got there

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SSJCAT posted...

here we go we got there

Any other system that has been devised for a Representative Democracy has fundamental flaws.

The only way to make sure every side is represented is "Proportional Representation" per seat.

Even if that means all representatives within a seat's voting power doesn't add up to 1.0 due to lack of voting; some voting power will be lost, then so be it!
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