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Highwind07 posted...

No no it means that specifically landlords do have the right to kick out occupants whose names are not on the contracts. I misread the OP and I thought that it was her boyfriend that was also staying and rooming with her too. But with that being said the maintenance of upkeep usually falls on the tenant If it is the tenant's fault.

He basically is...but within my agreement. If he stays over 5 nights in a row I will say something. I know my rights same if she doesn't pay rent. Eventually I can get the sheriff to come and kick her out if I give an eviction notice with legit reason. Right now there's no need for that. But clearly her bf coming over is being a lazy motherfucker. He won't miss the garage bin inside her basement, but the shared garage where my actual bins are mean who gives a fuck? Doesn't work like that with me. I'ma make this bitch bend over more than once same with her.
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Austin_Era_II posted...

Did you miss the part I wrote on purpose I charge $200 less a month than the going rate where I live cause I ain't being greedy? That' means don't fucking take advantage of it. Next time a new tenant moves in then I'll charge $200 extra a month and their friend or partner can live there too anytime. Also on my agreement it's only her name occupying the space. Not his. He has no right to start living down there. They both come home from work and he tends to stay the night then go straight to work and come back usually 4-5 times a week which is fine since it's following my agreement. Maybe I shouldn't be so fucking nice next time with what I'm charging. That's why I control how many days in a row people can stay the night. Not to mention now he started doing his laundry at my place too.

Did you miss where I praised you for being such a good, gracious person that you don't charge extra for someone having a partner? I mean look at how generous and well intentioned you are that you set rules on how many days someone is allowed to have guests in their home. What a saint.

It's not like you're exploiting someone to pay your mortgage so you can make bank when the value of your house goes up. No no, that can't be it, because other people are worse and you're being nice by not charging the $200 extra "feel at home in your home" surcharge. Truly the best person
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where's the exploitation?

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gunplagirl posted...

You're a landlord?

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wow lol

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gunplagirl posted...

You're a landlord?

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Balrog0 posted...

where's the exploitation?

shelter is a basic human need. tc is making money off of that.

he's also literally putting limits on the guests people can have in their own home
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scar the 1 posted...

Austin_Era_II posted...

Did you miss the part I wrote on purpose I charge $200 less a month than the going rate where I live cause I ain't being greedy? That' means don't fucking take advantage of it. Next time a new tenant moves in then I'll charge $200 extra a month and their friend or partner can live there too anytime. Also on my agreement it's only her name occupying the space. Not his. He has no right to start living down there. They both come home from work and he tends to stay the night then go straight to work and come back usually 4-5 times a week which is fine since it's following my agreement. Maybe I shouldn't be so fucking nice next time with what I'm charging. That's why I control how many days in a row people can stay the night. Not to mention now he started doing his laundry at my place too.

Did you miss where I praised you for being such a good, gracious person that you don't charge extra for someone having a partner? I mean look at how generous and well intentioned you are that you set rules on how many days someone is allowed to have guests in their home. What a saint.

It's not like you're exploiting someone to pay your mortgage so you can make bank when the value of your house goes up. No no, that can't be it, because other people are worse and you're being nice by not charging the $200 extra "feel at home in your home" surcharge. Truly the best person

Wtf are you going on about? I make no money off my tenant until about 2 years from now due to my expenses. Her rent covers my kid's daycare and child support. And if I didn't have those then yeah you're basically paying some of my mortgage. Don't like it? Then go rent at a fucking apartment building or somewhere else. Or better yet save up money and buy your own fucking house. I'm doing her a favour cause she's saving up money to buy her own house she told me.

As far as the house being worth me selling it I'd have to move a lot further away to actually profit cause all the other homes have shot up on value. I'd most likely be in a loss if I bought another house selling this one unless I got like a 1 bedroom home. Which I won't work cause my 2 kids come here every other week. People like you just take advantage of people like me who worked hard in life to finally get a home. You sit there paying low rent and get someone else to come in often and use up more resources costing me more. He also started doing his laundry at my place too. I ain't the fucking problem. Motherfuckers taking advantage of me are.
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averagejoel posted...

shelter is a basic human need. tc is making money off of that.

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

averagejoel posted...

he's also literally putting limits on the guests people can have in their own home

specifically he's putting a limit on the number of days someone who isn't on the lease can stay there, which doesn't seem exploitative to me. seems pretty fair unless you just don't think anyone should ever profit it off of something like housing.

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averagejoel posted...

Balrog0 posted...

where's the exploitation?

shelter is a basic human need. tc is making money off of that.

he's also literally putting limits on the guests people can have in their own home

So if your name is only on the rental agreement you think it's okay to invite 1 or 2 more people to live with you also? Not saying he's doing that, but if can eventually lead to that. That's why there's rules. I set my own rules to protect myself financially.
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"Don't like being exploited? Then go be exploited by someone else"

Yeah you've convinced me, you're a very nice guy, especially since you're not making money off of her until you actually sell the property she's paid thousands of dollars to live in
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What even is the point of having limits on how long someone can have a guest over? Is the idea that they use more resources like water and electricity or something? And if the bill is split only twice, you end up paying a more? If so, how much more is too much?
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Balrog0 posted...

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

Keep in mind I live in another country where protections for tenants and norms are different, and even the idea of changing the rent because more people live in the apt is insane.

I don't have to be a communist to recognize how perverse it is what TC is doing.
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scar the 1 posted...

"Don't like being exploited? Then go be exploited by someone else"

Yeah you've convinced me, you're a very nice guy, especially since you're not making money off of her until you actually sell the property she's paid thousands of dollars to live in

That's called renting bro. I rented. Don't like throwing away your money on something you don't own? That ain't my problem. Yeah I'm making money off her and if more people wanna move in price goes up. Welcome to the real world. Money talks. Nothing in life is a free ride. Once again is his name on the agreement? No. If people acted like you your guest would be kicked out for staying over everyday and not paying their share. Go back and live rent free with your parents.
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scar the 1 posted...

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

Keep in mind I live in another country where protections for tenants and norms are different, and even the idea of changing the rent because more people live in the apt is insane.

I don't have to be a communist to recognize how perverse it is what TC is doing.

so what's the exploitation?

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Make better rules. Happens. First time renting is usually a boon, but you figure out the cracks later

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Austin_Era_II posted...

scar the 1 posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

You're a landlord?

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Jesus Christ youre fucking insufferable. Its not like TC is some slum lord, hes just renting out a portion of his house to help make ends meet.

Yeah he's just talking about charging extra money for someone inviting people into their home. And he's not doing it to make ends meet, he's doing it to make bank on his investment.

EDIT: Sorry about the tag, didn't see it in the quote

So more than 1 person can come over often use my utilites and not pay extra? I'm glad you don't own or run a business. You seem highly uneducated. I have stuff in my agreement so people don't take advantage like smoking and making a mess. Why the fuck should I bend over to pick up trash you left on my property making it look not appealing? That's fucking stupid.

Also it states friends can't stay the night 5 days in a row. I'm being highly considerate and charging less for rent than the going rate in my area. I should technically charge $200 more a month but I low balled it out of being nice. That doesn't mean people act like idiots. If people have a problem gtfo.

And once again this morning I open garage to take my recycling bins out and they missed putting one of their plastic lid in the bin. Now I gotta bend over and pick it up again cause they are acting lazy. I'll msg her later about this. It posses me off when tenants act lazy and think the landlord should be there slave.

Bro, you just seemed annoyed at them. Sit them down and talk the shit over with them.
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scar the 1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

So if you charged me $500 a month to live in your basement you'd be okay if I cram in 1 or 2 other guest and we all split that $500 rent while we use more water and electricity and now your expenses are even higher than before? This is why poor people stay poor.

I control her guests yes. But telling her maximum 5 days in a row is more than generous.
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Austin_Era_II posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

So if you charged me $500 a month to live in your basement you'd be okay if I cram in 1 or 2 other guest and we all split that $500 rent while we use more water and electricity and now your expenses are even higher than before? This is why poor people stay poor.

I control her guests yes. But telling her maximum 5 days in a row is more than generous.

In this situation with her and her bf, how much extra do you think they are costing you?
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I don't like landlords and I think TC is being super petty, it's just hard for me to see where the exploitation is occurring unless you do think that housing should be provided as a right which doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to figure it out

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Make better rules. Happens. First time renting is usually a boon, but you figure out the cracks later

It's minor shit due to her bf. But yeah if I rent again I'll be telling the other person straight up show the shared area some respect. I even let her use my unlimited internet for free which I once again low balled and included in the rent. She's basically renting and getting $200 off a month which includes AC, laundry and internet. When you sign my agreement either follow the rules or shit hits the fan. I can start trashing my place and making it a lot worse for her if she doesn't wanna oblige. If he didn't pick up those buds I was gonna lock the laundry room door cause I told her prior to moving in it's only being offered as a bonus. Coin machines cost a shit load.
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emblem boy posted...

Austin_Era_II posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

So if you charged me $500 a month to live in your basement you'd be okay if I cram in 1 or 2 other guest and we all split that $500 rent while we use more water and electricity and now your expenses are even higher than before? This is why poor people stay poor.

I control her guests yes. But telling her maximum 5 days in a row is more than generous.

In this situation with her and her bf, how much extra do you think they are costing you?

If he moves in technically based on hydro and water only it'll probably only be an extra $50 a month which I'm guessing. I'd raise the rent to $150-200 a month. I'd go with the lower amount and they can split the rent. When I moved in with my ex wife years ago at her rental that's what happen to us. So technically she'd save more money cause her man would pay half the rent when everything else is included in that price.

Also this year a new tax came into place so I verbally already told her if she stays another year I won't raise the rent for her only. Once again I'm paying more for owning a property while she doesn't need to.
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Balrog0 posted...

I don't like landlords and I think TC is being super petty, it's just hard for me to see where the exploitation is occurring unless you do think that housing should be provided as a right which doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to figure it out

I do think shelter is a basic human right, and in lieu of a utopia where everyone is guaranteed housing, I think that unless tenants are afforded some basic rights like how long their guests can stay then it's quite clearly exploitative. I think there's definitely a case to be made that renting out homes is exploitive in and of itself if you're making profit, but I don't think I have to be a communist to think that.
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Austin_Era_II posted...

emblem boy posted...

Austin_Era_II posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I haven't gotten the impression that scar the 1 is a communist. Is he?

No he isn't, but that doesn't mean he thinks that it's ok to dictate how many hours someone else decides to have guests over.

So if you charged me $500 a month to live in your basement you'd be okay if I cram in 1 or 2 other guest and we all split that $500 rent while we use more water and electricity and now your expenses are even higher than before? This is why poor people stay poor.

I control her guests yes. But telling her maximum 5 days in a row is more than generous.

In this situation with her and her bf, how much extra do you think they are costing you?

If he moves in technically based on hydro and water only it'll probably only be an extra $50 a month which I'm guessing. I'd raise the rent to $150-200 a month. I'd go with the lower amount and they can split the rent. When I moved in with my ex wife years ago at her rental that's what happen to us. So technically she'd save more money cause her man would pay half the rent when everything else is included in that price.

Also this year a new tax came into place so I verbally already told her if she stays another year I won't raise the rent for her only. Once again I'm paying more for owning a property while she doesn't need to.

He'd cost you an extra $50 but you'd charge an extra $150 total?

Anyway, like I mentioned earlier, have you sat both of them down and just talked about the issues?
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Austin_Era_II posted...

If he moves in technically based on hydro and water only it'll probably only be an extra $50 a month which I'm guessing. I'd raise the rent to $150-200 a month. I'd go with the lower amount and they can split the rent. When I moved in with my ex wife years ago at her rental that's what happen to us. So technically she'd save more money cause her man would pay half the rent when everything else is included in that price.

I mean if this isn't exploitative then you're very jaded
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scar the 1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I don't like landlords and I think TC is being super petty, it's just hard for me to see where the exploitation is occurring unless you do think that housing should be provided as a right which doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to figure it out

I do think shelter is a basic human right, and in lieu of a utopia where everyone is guaranteed housing, I think that unless tenants are afforded some basic rights like how long their guests can stay then it's quite clearly exploitative. I think there's definitely a case to be made that renting out homes is exploitive in and of itself if you're making profit, but I don't think I have to be a communist to think that.

If I bought an apartment complex I'd rent it out to tenants to make a profit. Not break even or be at a loss. Far as I'm concerned what I charge with all included is helping her buy a house. She's basically saving close to $400 a month living here. If her man moved in and split the rent she'd save an additionally $500 probably.
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TC should let them live there for free. He should also feed them for free and do their laundry. Otherwise hes a terrible person

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TC just seems annoyed and frustrated, which is fine, but that annoyance is making him petty and finding excuses to continue being petty.

When this seems like something that can probably be solved without going to extreme measures
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Austin_Era_II posted...

If I bought an apartment complex I'd rent it out to tenants to make a profit. Not break even or be at a loss. Far as I'm concerned what I charge with all included is helping her buy a house. She's basically saving close to $400 a month living here. If her man moved in and split the rent she'd save an additionally $500 probably.

I already told you you're an absolute saint man, you don't have to make my case for me
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Balrog0 posted...

I don't like landlords

I'm curious why you don't like landlords. I have gripes about home ownership in general, but not specifically about landlords
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scar the 1 posted...

Austin_Era_II posted...

If he moves in technically based on hydro and water only it'll probably only be an extra $50 a month which I'm guessing. I'd raise the rent to $150-200 a month. I'd go with the lower amount and they can split the rent. When I moved in with my ex wife years ago at her rental that's what happen to us. So technically she'd save more money cause her man would pay half the rent when everything else is included in that price.

I mean if this isn't exploitative then you're very jaded

So my 4 bedroom house I got for $240K (4 years ago). I can sell it today for probably $420K. It's my choice to sell it for $300K and make a small profit or sell it at more based on the current market in my area. Don't like it? Too bad. That ain't my problem. Learn how the economy works in a capitalism society.

If he moves in and it's only $50 extra for me I want an additional $100. I have a garage. I park my car in there during the winter months. I told her if she wants to use the garage to park her car or use it as an additional storage it's an extra $100 a month. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. People here especially in a bigger city (which I moved out from) charge way more.
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lol at all the kids here hating "landlords"

jealousy is a hell of a drug
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konokonohamaru posted...

lol at all the kids here hating "landlords"

jealousy is a hell of a drug

That's what it is. I think her man is jealous or just lazy now wanting me to pick up after his shit. Walks into my house with sand on his shoes and wants me to vacuum it right away in a shared entrance area? Fuck that. And misses putting stuff in the recycling bin twice now. He knows it didn't go in and fell down. Twice now. So why not bend and put it in the bin? Does he do that to her garbage bin in her basement? No. I solved the cig issue by msging her. And now today I'll msg her about the recycling bins in the garage. And I'll tell her show respect. If I didn't live in the house and bought another property I wouldn't care cause I'm not the one in the house who has to put the bins at the end of the curb on recycling day.

My tenant's friend moved to another rental place and she's responsible also for taking out the trash cause the landlord doesn't live there. They also make you cut the grass and shovel the snow. I told her she's not doing that here cause I live here so I do it all in terms of outside maintenance work. Most places the landlord will charge more and hire people or get the tenant to do it themself.
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Austin_Era_II posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Austin_Era_II posted...

If he moves in technically based on hydro and water only it'll probably only be an extra $50 a month which I'm guessing. I'd raise the rent to $150-200 a month. I'd go with the lower amount and they can split the rent. When I moved in with my ex wife years ago at her rental that's what happen to us. So technically she'd save more money cause her man would pay half the rent when everything else is included in that price.

I mean if this isn't exploitative then you're very jaded

So my 4 bedroom house I got for $240K (4 years ago). I can sell it today for probably $420K. It's my choice to sell it for $300K and make a small profit or sell it at more based on the current market in my area. Don't like it? Too bad. That ain't my problem. Learn how the economy works in a capitalism society.

If he moves in and it's only $50 extra for me I want an additional $100. I have a garage. I park my car in there during the winter months. I told her if she wants to use the garage to park her car or use it as an additional storage it's an extra $100 a month. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. People here especially in a bigger city (which I moved out from) charge way more.

"other people are being more exploitative" does not mean you're not being exploitative
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I'd like to gain a slight profit than low ball really low and break even. If that makes me an asshole then I'm an asshole so is majority of the world. Are you mad your boss makes more than you? Are you mad the CEO makes a big amount while you make minimum wage? Are you mad SBallen doesn't pay mods but makes a good salary? Should he break even and pay mods?

You don't understand business.
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Hairistotle posted...

tc is similar to REmercschamp in that he picks a different troll topic daily. cmon guys, a lotta long-timers here should recognize him

Not a troll topic. I already stated what my rent includes and how her bf is in violation of my rules she signed. People here acting like I should let others move in for free. It's my house just like if I owned my own business and only charged workers min wage like Walmart. Don't like it? Then quit Walmart and start your own business or get a better paying job.
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scar the 1 posted...

I do think shelter is a basic human right, and in lieu of a utopia where everyone is guaranteed housing, I think that unless tenants are afforded some basic rights like how long their guests can stay then it's quite clearly exploitative.

I agree that tenants deserve some basic rights, it's hard for me to see this as a basic human right. When I think of rights I think of the ability to break your contract with cause without suffering a loss of your deposit from breaking your lease, for example. The ability to let people who aren't on your lease stay as long as they want seems like a pretty uncommon right, I mean at it's upper bound there are laws that prohibit certain numbers of people from living in one unit and I think most people are okay with those. But idk I get what you're saying.


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Lord of the land !
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emblem boy posted...

I'm curious why you don't like landlords. I have gripes about home ownership in general, but not specifically about landlords

well for me the specific issue I have is economic rents, i.e., unearned profits. But like I don't think property management and upkeep is unearned. The issue is that the price of the land/location gets imputed into rents even without landlords doing anything to the property -- and in some ways we incentivize them to do as little as possible, because if you make improvements then your property taxes go up

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Lmao he thinks the boyfriend is jealous of him. He's not jealous dude, he's just a dick.

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Balrog0 posted...

emblem boy posted...

I'm curious why you don't like landlords. I have gripes about home ownership in general, but not specifically about landlords

well for me the specific issue I have is economic rents, i.e., unearned profits. But like I don't think property management and upkeep is unearned. The issue is that the price of the land/location gets imputed into rents even without landlords doing anything to the property -- and in some ways we incentivize them to do as little as possible, because if you make improvements then your property taxes go up

Not sure I fully understand. Your issue is mainly with how property taxes work?
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Balrog0 posted...

emblem boy posted...

I'm curious why you don't like landlords. I have gripes about home ownership in general, but not specifically about landlords

well for me the specific issue I have is economic rents, i.e., unearned profits. But like I don't think property management and upkeep is unearned. The issue is that the price of the land/location gets imputed into rents even without landlords doing anything to the property -- and in some ways we incentivize them to do as little as possible, because if you make improvements then your property taxes go up

well part of your beef is with the tax code. I agree, landlords should be properly incentivized to maintain upkeep

where does the idea that the rents are unearned come from? they paid for the house didn't they? and they probably paid for it out of their own labor income, or perhaps their parents' labor income. At what point does a dollar go from earned to being unearned?
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i must be tired or something cause when i read the topic title, i somehow mixed up "landlord" and "times" to become "landmines"
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emblem boy posted...

Not sure I fully understand. Your issue is mainly with how property taxes work?

Eh, I don't hate property taxes, I'm just trying to differentiate earned and unearned income. If you build up your property, you worked for that and you deserve to benefit from that improvement. But most of the price of land is totally unearned, because the value is derived from its location most of the time. So your only work was to get there before other people did. Does that help?

konokonohamaru posted...

well part of your beef is with the tax code. I agree, landlords should be properly incentivized to maintain upkeep

Yeah, part of it.

konokonohamaru posted...

where does the idea that the rents are unearned come from? they paid for the house didn't they? and they probably paid for it out of their own labor income, or perhaps their parents' labor income. At what point does a dollar go from earned to being unearned?

https://www.econlib.org/land-taxes-the-return-of-henry-george/

How much of your rent is due to the improvements you've made and the work you've put in, and how much is due to being in a desirable location? There's not a hard and fast rule here but conceptually I think its an easy distinction to make

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Balrog0 posted...

https://www.econlib.org/land-taxes-the-return-of-henry-george/

How much of your rent is due to the improvements you've made and the work you've put in, and how much is due to being in a desirable location? There's not a hard and fast rule here but conceptually I think its an easy distinction to make

but what I'm saying is that if it's in a desirable location, they probably had to pay more to buy it there, meaning they traded more of their own labor to buy the house in the first place.

of course, a location could become more desirable over time due to just plain luck. but that's just life, nothing we can do can change the fact that some people get lucky and others don't.
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konokonohamaru posted...

but what I'm saying is that if it's in a desirable location, they probably had to pay more to buy it there, meaning they traded more of their own labor to buy the house in the first place.

of course, a location could become more desirable over time due to just plain luck. but that's just life, nothing we can do can change the fact that some people get lucky and others don't.

pretty much the entire apparatus of the modern state is designed to address exactly that kind of thing

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