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TheCEmanCometh 08/20/19 4:54:46 PM #1:	https://reason.com/2019/08/19/pew-survey-republicans-college-campus-safe-spaces/ Only half of all Americans now have a positive view of colleges and universities, according to a new survey from Pew Research. The number of people who take a negative view has increased from 26 percent in 2012 to 38 percent in 2019. The change largely reflects a growing dissatisfaction on the right with the culture of college campuses. The percentage of Republicans who see value in higher education has collapsed in recent years, from 53 percent in 2012 to just 33 percent in 2019.* According to Pew: Roughly eight-in-ten Republicans (79%) say professors bringing their political and social views into the classroom is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (only 17% of Democrats say the same). And three-quarters of Republicans (vs. 31% of Democrats) point to too much concern about protecting students from views they might find offensive as a major reason for their views. In addition, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say students not getting the skills they need to succeed in the workplace is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (73% vs. 56%). Democrats who take a negative view of higher ed are most likely to cite rising costs as the issue. --- I'm not a doctor but I play one on CE. <cite>TheCEmanCometh posted [p:926322027] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>https://reason.com/2019/08/19/pew-survey-republicans-college-campus-safe-spaces/ Only half of all Americans now have a positive view of colleges and universities, according to a new survey from Pew Research. The number of people who take a negative view has increased from 26 percent in 2012 to 38 percent in 2019. The change largely reflects a growing dissatisfaction on the right with the culture of college campuses. The percentage of Republicans who see value in higher education has collapsed in recent years, from 53 percent in 2012 to just 33 percent in 2019.* According to Pew: Roughly eight-in-ten Republicans (79%) say professors bringing their political and social views into the classroom is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (only 17% of Democrats say the same). And three-quarters of Republicans (vs. 31% of Democrats) point to too much concern about protecting students from views they might find offensive as a major reason for their views. In addition, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say students not getting the skills they need to succeed in the workplace is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (73% vs. 56%). Democrats who take a negative view of higher ed are most likely to cite rising costs as the issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/20/19 4:55:29 PM #2:	Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:926322063] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/20/19 4:57:43 PM #3:	well this was always the goal <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:926322196] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>well this was always the goal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/20/19 4:58:11 PM #4:	I mean... is it really a debate that too many people are going to college to get degrees with no degree-related career prospects and instead walking away with a hundred thousand+ dollars in debt and knowledge that will have no tangible benefit on their or anyone else's lives? What's interesting is they poll people on whether professors bringing their views into the classroom is good or bad, and not whether or not they believe it is actually happening. Are we to assume that's just objectively true? I'd also like to see if these numbers hold up if you abstract to just "more education", Like... do republicans have an issue with the concept of higher education, or the implementation within existing institutions? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:926322215] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>I mean... is it really a debate that too many people are going to college to get degrees with no degree-related career prospects and instead walking away with a hundred thousand+ dollars in debt and knowledge that will have no tangible benefit on their or anyone else's lives? What's interesting is they poll people on whether professors bringing their views into the classroom is good or bad, and not whether or not they believe it is actually happening. Are we to assume that's just objectively true? I'd also like to see if these numbers hold up if you abstract to just "more education", Like... do republicans have an issue with the concept of higher education, or the implementation within existing institutions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/20/19 4:58:55 PM #5:	Roughly eight-in-ten Republicans (79%) say professors bringing their political and social views into the classroom is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (only 17% of Democrats say the same). And three-quarters of Republicans (vs. 31% of Democrats) point to too much concern about protecting students from views they might find offensive as a major reason for their views. In addition, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say students not getting the skills they need to succeed in the workplace is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (73% vs. 56%). They're not wrong. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926322248] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote><quote>Roughly eight-in-ten Republicans (79%) say professors bringing their political and social views into the classroom is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (only 17% of Democrats say the same). And three-quarters of Republicans (vs. 31% of Democrats) point to too much concern about protecting students from views they might find offensive as a major reason for their views. In addition, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say students not getting the skills they need to succeed in the workplace is a major reason why the higher education system is headed in the wrong direction (73% vs. 56%).</quote> They're not wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 4:59:43 PM #6:	While I get what you guys are laughing at... College IS bad for America. We're sending millions of kids into impossible debt holes for which there's no escape. All for degrees that aren't necessary for most jobs. We've lost sight of what college is supposed to be. And we've created a scenario where you have no choice but to go to it. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926322281] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>While I get what you guys are laughing at... College IS bad for America. We're sending millions of kids into impossible debt holes for which there's no escape. All for degrees that aren't necessary for most jobs. We've lost sight of what college is supposed to be. And we've created a scenario where you have no choice but to go to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/20/19 5:00:47 PM #7:	What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:926322329] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/20/19 5:01:01 PM #8:	I don't see why jobs and being ready for the workforce is still seen as the goal of education. We're almost at the brink of automation replacing 90% of all jobs. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:926322349] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>I don't see why jobs and being ready for the workforce is still seen as the goal of education. We're almost at the brink of automation replacing 90% of all jobs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/20/19 5:01:33 PM #9:	Machete posted... What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:926322373] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/20/19 5:01:36 PM #10:	ZMythos posted... We're almost at the brink of automation replacing 90% of all jobs. We're not even within 100 years of that. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926322376] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>We're almost at the brink of automation replacing 90% of all jobs.</quote> We're not even within 100 years of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 08/20/19 5:01:37 PM #11:	Well they're one of the big players in completely wiping an entire generation+ from participating in the economy and a normal life progression. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:926322377] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Well they're one of the big players in completely wiping an entire generation+ from participating in the economy and a normal life progression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 08/20/19 5:01:53 PM #12:	ZMythos posted... Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s They're not wrong, technically. Liberalism is the ideology that runs our government/economic system. Of course it's taught in our schools. ~~Yes, I'm just being difficult and I know Republicans don't mean it like that.~~ --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:926322395] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s</quote> They're not wrong, technically. Liberalism is the ideology that runs our government/economic system. Of course it's taught in our schools. Yes, I'm just being difficult and I know Republicans don't mean it like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 08/20/19 5:01:59 PM #13:	ZMythos posted... Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s This, but without the sarcasm. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:926322404] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>Yea because they're liberal indoctrination centers! /s</quote> This, but without the sarcasm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:03:50 PM #14:	1) Colleges and universities are grotesquely overpriced 2) Baby Boomers have set up deliberate degree roadblocks that they themselves didn't have to achieve in order to get comparable jobs 3) Most people don't need to go to college. Nearly everything you learn in college is useless for most jobs. It's a bill of goods - the idea that we have to learn sociology and arts and humanities and blah blah blah. Sure, if you want to become an academic, that makes sense. But if you want to be an accountant, there should be a school of accounting without all that extra BS fluff. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926322481] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>1) Colleges and universities are grotesquely overpriced 2) Baby Boomers have set up deliberate degree roadblocks that they themselves didn't have to achieve in order to get comparable jobs 3) Most people don't need to go to college. Nearly everything you learn in college is useless for most jobs. It's a bill of goods - the idea that we have to learn sociology and arts and humanities and blah blah blah. Sure, if you want to become an academic, that makes sense. But if you want to be an accountant, there should be a school of accounting without all that extra BS fluff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/20/19 5:04:18 PM #15:	The Admiral posted... We're not even within 100 years of that. Technology is still increasing at an exponential rate. We're going to see mass unemployment due to automation in our lifetime. Gobstoppers12 posted... This, but without the sarcasm. lol, good joke --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:926322508] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>We're not even within 100 years of that. </quote> Technology is still increasing at an exponential rate. We're going to see mass unemployment due to automation in our lifetime. Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>This, but without the sarcasm. </quote> lol, good joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:04:55 PM #16:	For as much as we vilify big businesses for fucking us (and the environment) over, nothing on Earth has been as directly detrimental to the financial future of an entire generation of people as academia has been. Nobody in politics wants to say it, because "blaming teachers" looks bad. It's not teachers. It's academic administration. And they're almost literally fucking you. Almost. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926322538] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>For as much as we vilify big businesses for fucking us (and the environment) over, nothing on Earth has been as directly detrimental to the financial future of an entire generation of people as academia has been. Nobody in politics wants to say it, because "blaming teachers" looks bad. It's not teachers. It's academic administration. And they're almost literally fucking you. Almost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 08/20/19 5:05:55 PM #17:	ZMythos posted... We're going to see mass unemployment due to automation in our lifetime. Yes like with the steam engine --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926322594] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote> We're going to see mass unemployment due to automation in our lifetime. </quote> Yes like with the steam engine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/20/19 5:06:45 PM #18:	Great Republican-smearing headline, but there are a lot of very interesting numbers in the survey, like these: Link to the actual study: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/the-growing-partisan-divide-in-views-of-higher-education/ --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:926322636] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Great Republican-smearing headline, but there are a lot of very interesting numbers in the survey, like these: Link to the actual study: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/the-growing-partisan-divide-in-views-of-higher-education/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/20/19 5:09:09 PM #19:	s0nicfan posted... Machete posted... What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them. Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:926322751] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them.</quote> Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/20/19 5:10:29 PM #20:	I mean, higher education is good but the United States college system is pretty fucking bad all around. I'm sure that's not what they're saying when they say College is bad though. --- Christian Bale profited off the Iraq War <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:926322809] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>I mean, higher education is good but the United States college system is pretty fucking bad all around. I'm sure that's not what they're saying when they say College is bad though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:11:09 PM #21:	AlecSkorpio posted... I mean, higher education is good but the United States college system is pretty fucking bad all around. I'm sure that's not what they're saying when they say College is bad though. Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. Then you graduate, have no practical job knowledge or skills, remain unemployed, and let the student loans destroy your life. But at least you know about Mesopotamian pottery --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926322839] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, higher education is good but the United States college system is pretty fucking bad all around. I'm sure that's not what they're saying when they say College is bad though.</quote> Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. Then you graduate, have no practical job knowledge or skills, remain unemployed, and let the student loans destroy your life. But at least you know about Mesopotamian pottery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KINDERFELD 08/20/19 5:11:54 PM #22:	Well stupid is the new president so what do you expect? --- the polyfilla way look strong in the weakness of the gaps <cite>KINDERFELD posted [p:926322891] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Well stupid is the new president so what do you expect? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/20/19 5:12:52 PM #23:	DarkRoast posted... Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. this is an impressively wrong post <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:926322943] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. </quote> this is an impressively wrong post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/20/19 5:13:42 PM #24:	Machete posted... s0nicfan posted... Machete posted... What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them. Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd If you ever need evidence for an argument, consider looking to see if Pew did a poll: https://www.pewresearch.org/ They're one of the sources listed as "least biased" on Media Bias Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/ --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:926322985] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them.</quote> Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd</quote> If you ever need evidence for an argument, consider looking to see if Pew did a poll: https://www.pewresearch.org/ They're one of the sources listed as "least biased" on Media Bias Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:15:10 PM #25:	Broseph_Stalin posted... DarkRoast posted... Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. this is an impressively wrong post Well I can tell you that US kids are entering college with academic skills worse than the average high school student: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/ Most of college is spent taking classes just getting you up to par --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323055] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Getting $50k to $100k in debt to get the equivalent of a bad high school education anywhere else in the world. </quote> this is an impressively wrong post</quote> Well I can tell you that US kids are entering college with academic skills worse than the average high school student: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/ Most of college is spent taking classes just getting you up to par</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/20/19 5:17:26 PM #26:	s0nicfan posted... Machete posted... s0nicfan posted... Machete posted... What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them. Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd If you ever need evidence for an argument, consider looking to see if Pew did a poll: https://www.pewresearch.org/ They're one of the sources listed as "least biased" on Media Bias Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/ Ah okay. Yeah that fact check site has seemed pretty reliable for what it's for. They tend to be on point when people reference them for sources here. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:926323161] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them.</quote> Oh. No I wasn't aware of who they are. I just saw the name and then thinking emoji'd</quote> If you ever need evidence for an argument, consider looking to see if Pew did a poll: https://www.pewresearch.org/ They're one of the sources listed as "least biased" on Media Bias Fact Check: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/</quote> Ah okay. Yeah that fact check site has seemed pretty reliable for what it's for. They tend to be on point when people reference them for sources here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 08/20/19 5:17:59 PM #27:	s0nicfan posted... Machete posted... What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit. Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them. I was sure it was sarcasm but it turns out doom art really didn't know what Pew was --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:926323192] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>What is pew research? That sounds like some religious group that would be all "college bad! Go to church instead!" or some similar asinine shit.</quote> Is this sarcasm? Pew research is basically the single most reliable source of survey statistics out there. EVERYONE uses pew research numbers when they have them.</quote> I was sure it was sarcasm but it turns out doom art really didn't know what Pew was </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 08/20/19 5:18:15 PM #28:	DarkRoast posted... Well I can tell you that US kids are entering college with academic skills worse than the average high school student: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/ that's nice but it has nothing to do with your original post or college at all really <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:926323212] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote> Well I can tell you that US kids are entering college with academic skills worse than the average high school student: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/</quote> that's nice but it has nothing to do with your original post or college at all really</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 08/20/19 5:19:15 PM #29:	Party of anti-science is anti-intelligence. Who knew <cite>Axiom posted [p:926323274] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Party of anti-science is anti-intelligence. Who knew</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:20:11 PM #30:	Pew > Gallup > SurveyUSA > Quinnipiac > Rasmussen >>>>>>>>>>>>> Harris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else And before anyone laughs about Rasmussen, it absolutely skews Republican, but it's actually remarkably very consistent and accurate for things unrelated to presidential approval. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323322] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Pew > Gallup > SurveyUSA > Quinnipiac > Rasmussen >>>>>>>>>>>>> Harris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else And before anyone laughs about Rasmussen, it absolutely skews Republican, but it's actually remarkably very consistent and accurate for things unrelated to presidential approval.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 08/20/19 5:20:34 PM #31:	Educated people dont vote republican --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg https://imgtc.ws/i/gEfkzml.gif <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:926323329] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Educated people dont vote republican</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/20/19 5:22:35 PM #32:	College is bad for America. That doesn't mean education is bad but can you really argue that all the debt laid on people who go to college to get a degree to get a job that pays a lower middle income that shouldn't really require a 4 year degree is a good thing? I could literally write pages of things wrong with american universities --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:926323419] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>College is bad for America. That doesn't mean education is bad but can you really argue that all the debt laid on people who go to college to get a degree to get a job that pays a lower middle income that shouldn't really require a 4 year degree is a good thing? I could literally write pages of things wrong with american universities</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/20/19 5:22:35 PM #33:	question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? --- Playing: Sunset Overdrive, Vermintide 2 You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:926323420] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 08/20/19 5:23:03 PM #34:	Lol ... If TC post "Survey: 59% of People Now Think College is Bad for America" we wouldn't have near the triggered shit posts from people that didn't read the link that we have in this thread as of now. But maybe that's what TC wanted??? :thinking: --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:926323446] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Lol ... If TC post "Survey: 59% of People Now Think College is Bad for America" we wouldn't have near the triggered shit posts from people that didn't read the link that we have in this thread as of now. But maybe that's what TC wanted??? :thinking:</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:23:23 PM #35:	Giant_Aspirin posted... question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits. I doubt changing to all private would help at all, but part of why universities can charge whatever they want is because there's basically no significant price transparency and/or competition. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323468] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits. I doubt changing to all private would help at all, but part of why universities can charge whatever they want is because there's basically no significant price transparency and/or competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/20/19 5:24:47 PM #36:	DarkRoast posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits. nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities. DarkRoast posted... I doubt changing to all private would help at all, but part of why universities can charge whatever they want is because there's basically no significant price transparency and/or competition there's an awful lot of competition in the university space. not sure where that notion came from. --- Playing: Sunset Overdrive, Vermintide 2 You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:926323526] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits.</quote> nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities. DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>I doubt changing to all private would help at all, but part of why universities can charge whatever they want is because there's basically no significant price transparency and/or competition</quote> there's an awful lot of competition in the university space. not sure where that notion came from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 08/20/19 5:24:56 PM #37:	College is bad but not for reasons like them being "liberal indoctrination centers" or "sjw safe spaces that reject free speech" --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:926323534] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>College is bad but not for reasons like them being "liberal indoctrination centers" or "sjw safe spaces that reject free speech"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:26:17 PM #38:	Giant_Aspirin posted... DarkRoast posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits. nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities. You're right, there's a ton of fundie / right wing universities. Just look at Bob Jones or that stupid university that Sean Hannity hawks. A lot of them are (thankfully) unaccredited, though. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323587] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits.</quote> nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities.</quote> You're right, there's a ton of fundie / right wing universities. Just look at Bob Jones or that stupid university that Sean Hannity hawks. A lot of them are (thankfully) unaccredited, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/20/19 5:27:24 PM #39:	Giant_Aspirin posted... question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? Cause the market is manipulated when anyone can take out federally guaranteed loans to study whatever they want to with no assets, income, or or job history. You have an artificially inflated demand which allows universities to get away with murder through tuition prices --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:926323633] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> Cause the market is manipulated when anyone can take out federally guaranteed loans to study whatever they want to with no assets, income, or or job history. You have an artificially inflated demand which allows universities to get away with murder through tuition prices</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/20/19 5:27:25 PM #40:	DarkRoast posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... DarkRoast posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem? This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits. nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities. You're right, there's a ton of fundie / right wing universities. Just look at Bob Jones or that stupid university that Sean Hannity hawks. A lot of them are (thankfully) unaccredited, though. that's precisely what i dont understand. why don't the Koch brothers take a few billion dollars and start multiple conservative-leaning Universities all around the country? --- Playing: Sunset Overdrive, Vermintide 2 You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:926323634] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>question to all you conservatives: why doesn't the market correct this problem?</quote> This is quite an ironic post considering the vast majority of universities are public institutions and/or nonprofits.</quote> nonprofits can be founded by anyone. there is nothing stopping conservatives from grouping together and founding conservative leaning Universities.</quote> You're right, there's a ton of fundie / right wing universities. Just look at Bob Jones or that stupid university that Sean Hannity hawks. A lot of them are (thankfully) unaccredited, though.</quote> that's precisely what i dont understand. why don't the Koch brothers take a few billion dollars and start multiple conservative-leaning Universities all around the country?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/20/19 5:27:43 PM #41:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... College is bad but not for reasons like them being "liberal indoctrination centers" or "sjw safe spaces that reject free speech" This --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:926323646] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>College is bad but not for reasons like them being "liberal indoctrination centers" or "sjw safe spaces that reject free speech"</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/20/19 5:28:06 PM #42:	Universities have a strong reputational component that can't be replicated by some start-up college. It doesn't matter how much money I want to throw into it, I'd never be able to recreate anything that could compete with Harvard or Yale. In general, the college system does not follow the traditional free market structure. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926323672] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Universities have a strong reputational component that can't be replicated by some start-up college. It doesn't matter how much money I want to throw into it, I'd never be able to recreate anything that could compete with Harvard or Yale. In general, the college system does not follow the traditional free market structure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:28:15 PM #43:	that's precisely what i dont understand. why don't the Koch brothers take a few billion dollars and start multiple conservative-leaning Universities all around the country? Because there's no point wasting money preaching to the choir. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323679] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>that's precisely what i dont understand. why don't the Koch brothers take a few billion dollars and start multiple conservative-leaning Universities all around the country? Because there's no point wasting money preaching to the choir.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlemayor333 08/20/19 5:28:21 PM #44:	Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges --- https://imgur.com/WWk7D https://imgur.com/hE7v5GL https://imgur.com/sY9YLKe https://imgur.com/9e67vqt <cite>Turtlemayor333 posted [p:926323683] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KINDERFELD 08/20/19 5:28:56 PM #45:	So many educated opinions in here. --- the polyfilla way look strong in the weakness of the gaps <cite>KINDERFELD posted [p:926323713] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>So many educated opinions in here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/20/19 5:29:15 PM #46:	Turtlemayor333 posted... Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges If 50% of Americans didn't have college degrees, they probably wouldn't start making them requirements. It's a bit of a chicken/egg scenario though. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926323736] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Turtlemayor333 posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges </quote> If 50% of Americans didn't have college degrees, they probably wouldn't start making them requirements. It's a bit of a chicken/egg scenario though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/20/19 5:30:48 PM #47:	I think too many jobs require them that really dont these days but thats about the end of my dislike. A lot of jobs just need hands on training that companies just no longer want to waste time and money on. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:926323813] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>I think too many jobs require them that really dont these days but thats about the end of my dislike. A lot of jobs just need hands on training that companies just no longer want to waste time and money on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/20/19 5:31:06 PM #48:	Turtlemayor333 posted... Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges Well having a 4 year degree has become the new high school diploma. It doesnt make you stand out in a crowd of candidates if everyone has a degree, it's just a easy disqualification if you don't. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:926323825] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Turtlemayor333 posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how there's all these people blaming the colleges and not the businesses who require degrees from those colleges </quote> Well having a 4 year degree has become the new high school diploma. It doesnt make you stand out in a crowd of candidates if everyone has a degree, it's just a easy disqualification if you don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/20/19 5:31:23 PM #49:	The Admiral posted... Universities have a strong reputational component that can't be replicated by some start-up college. It doesn't matter how much money I want to throw into it, I'd never be able to recreate anything that could compete with Harvard or Yale. In general, the college system does not follow the traditional free market structure. throw money at it and hire professors with stellar reputations. the Koch brothers are already spending billions and billions of dollars to shape the country in a way most beneficial to their pocket books. maybe they think investing in future education is too much of a long game. --- Playing: Sunset Overdrive, Vermintide 2 You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:926323836] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Universities have a strong reputational component that can't be replicated by some start-up college. It doesn't matter how much money I want to throw into it, I'd never be able to recreate anything that could compete with Harvard or Yale. In general, the college system does not follow the traditional free market structure. </quote> throw money at it and hire professors with stellar reputations. the Koch brothers are already spending billions and billions of dollars to shape the country in a way most beneficial to their pocket books. maybe they think investing in future education is too much of a long game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/20/19 5:32:40 PM #50:	Giant_Aspirin posted... throw money at it and hire professors with stellar reputations. the Koch brothers are already spending billions and billions of dollars to shape the country in a way most beneficial to their pocket books. maybe they think investing in future education is too much of a long game. Literally not possible. This is like saying "start a sports team with the same reputation as the Yankees or Lakers! Just throw money at it!" No amount of money can do that. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926323887] in Survey: 59... [t:77952379]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted... </cite> <quote>throw money at it and hire professors with stellar reputations. the Koch brothers are already spending billions and billions of dollars to shape the country in a way most beneficial to their pocket books. maybe they think investing in future education is too much of a long game.</quote> Literally not possible. This is like saying "start a sports team with the same reputation as the Yankees or Lakers! Just throw money at it!" No amount of money can do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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