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E32005
08/19/19 7:41:36 PM
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The United States has tested a land-launched cruise missile surpassing a limit set by a decades-old deal with Russia since scrapped by President Donald Trump's administration.

In a press release published Monday, the Pentagon announced that the previous day it "conducted a flight test of a conventionally-configured ground-launched cruise missile at San Nicolas Island, California."


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Hexenherz
08/19/19 7:42:30 PM
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That's why I started buying Northrop Grumman and Raytheon stocks tbh

Once the INF was off the table everything became game.
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Antifar
08/19/19 7:52:05 PM
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Doesn't seem great
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solosnake
08/19/19 7:53:44 PM
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Capitalism/Communism will lead the human race to our doom. The power structure of society shouldnt be based on greed
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Questionmarktarius
08/19/19 7:53:59 PM
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Who are going to blow up, anyway?
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CADE FOSTER
08/19/19 7:54:07 PM
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We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving
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treewojima
08/19/19 7:56:16 PM
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source?
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Hexenherz
08/19/19 7:57:53 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving


That's not quite how they work.
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Antifar
08/19/19 7:58:15 PM
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solosnake posted...
Capitalism/Communism will lead the human race to our doom. The power structure of society shouldnt be based on greed

What does communism have to do with this
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TheGleamEyes
08/19/19 7:58:47 PM
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Antifar posted...
Doesn't seem great


Of course.

Needs to be more faster, stronger, quieter, deadlier, etc. Always room for improvement.
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CADE FOSTER
08/19/19 7:58:50 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...
We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving


That's not quite how they work.

Explain it young one
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Zack_Attackv1
08/19/19 7:59:23 PM
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*continues smiling like Kim Jong-un*
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solosnake
08/19/19 7:59:41 PM
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Antifar posted...
solosnake posted...
Capitalism/Communism will lead the human race to our doom. The power structure of society shouldnt be based on greed

What does communism have to do with this

In practice they are like 2 sides of the same coin. Theres really not much difference between the two at the highest levels of decision making. Both will lead to destruction through greed
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Questionmarktarius
08/19/19 8:00:36 PM
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solosnake posted...
In practice they are like 2 sides of the same coin. Theres really not much difference between the two at the highest levels of decision making. Both will lead to destruction through greed

Obligatory:

John Kenneth Galbraith
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
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Hexenherz
08/19/19 8:05:57 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
Hexenherz posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...
We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving


That's not quite how they work.

Explain it young one

http://russianforces.org/blog/2015/01/tracking_down_road-mobile_miss.shtml

They don't "constantly drive around".
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CADE FOSTER
08/19/19 8:06:15 PM
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Feetish
08/19/19 8:06:19 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
John Kenneth Galbraith
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.


Woman exploits woman?

Hot.
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Hexenherz
08/19/19 8:07:24 PM
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They were talking about bringing back rail-mobile ICBMs but I guess they put that on hold - https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/rs-24-barguzin.htm
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Questionmarktarius
08/19/19 8:07:36 PM
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Feetish posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
John Kenneth Galbraith
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.


Woman exploits woman?

Hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grkaKRWkjM8" data-time="
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Questionmarktarius
08/19/19 8:11:07 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Still want that war with Iran conservatives?

We need peace with Iran, so we can get those cheap red pistachios again.
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E32005
08/19/19 8:26:02 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
orthrop Grumman and Raytheon stocks tbh

both operate in my city. and we are near san nicolas island.

fun fact: san nicolas island was where Island of the Blue Dolphins was filmed.
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Hexenherz
08/19/19 8:42:30 PM
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They are literally everywhere it's kind of creepy.
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E32005
08/19/19 9:26:51 PM
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its been long rumored we have nuclear silos out there as well.
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MuayThai85
08/19/19 9:32:06 PM
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The hypocrisy is hilarious. "Don't test these certain kinds of weapons even though we started testing them before you did! You don't want to make us angry, do you?".
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hockeybub89
08/19/19 9:33:12 PM
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tullock
08/19/19 9:33:59 PM
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Spooking posted...
The Russian puppet is at it again!!11!


All this does is gives Russia cover to do the same without getting in trouble for being the first one to do it.
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kingdrake2
08/19/19 9:37:23 PM
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it's a long arguement who did it to us first.
russia obviously violated the agreement. then US violate the agreement.

it's russia's fault.
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ScazarMeltex
08/19/19 9:42:46 PM
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A new arms race seems totally like a good idea, and affordable as well.
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E32005
08/20/19 1:07:27 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
A new arms race seems totally like a good idea, and affordable as well.

Perfect thing in these stable times
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jumi
08/20/19 1:15:09 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
A new arms race seems totally like a good idea, and affordable as well.


Good thing a bipartisan Congress greatly expanded the Pentagon's budget. Now we can buy more planes we'll never use!
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Nanaimo-Bar
08/20/19 1:29:33 AM
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So, Iceland or New Zealand? New Zealand I don't need to learn a new language, but Iceland will be better when global warming takes over. Granted, if we swing the opposite way with nuclear winter, I'd probably want to be in New Zealand. Hmm.
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Unsugarized_Foo
08/20/19 1:46:53 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
That's not quite how they work.


Sokolov referred to the Shagohod as the "Treading Behemoth," though a more accurate translation of the name is "Step Walker" or "Great Step." It was originally built as a nuclear-equipped tank that could launch nuclear missiles from any type of terrain. However, a major problem developed when it became apparent that the Soviet Union's ICBMs during the 1960s were too big for the Shagohod to carry. The Soviet military didn't wish to hear of it, as they wanted a weapon that could launch an ICBM directly into the American homeland. Sokolov was the one who came up with the idea for it to utilize his Vostok cluster rocket design to accelerate the Shagohod enough to launch an IRBM to lauch at the same speed as an ICBM, dubbed "Phase 2."
Though it was originally intended to be a theatre- to intermediate-range nuclear weapons platform, operable from any type of terrain, the final "Phase 2" design of the Shagohod used rocket boosters to propel the behemoth to a speed of over 300 miles per hour (480 kilometers per hour) before launching its nuclear missile, essentially acting as an additional stage, increasing the range to ICBM levels. Upon launching a nuclear missile, it would then release three parachutes as a means of braking the Shagohod.[3] The main disadvantage was that the Shagohod required 3 miles (4.8 kilometres) of flat, even land, such as a long road or runway, to get up to speed and decelerate safely.
The perceived advantage of Shagohod over traditional silos was its mobility and thus relative stealth. As a mobile weapon, it was also suited to more aggressive posturing, leading to the threat of a nuclear first strike with the new system. Nuclear submarines carrying ballistic missiles represent almost the same capability; the reason the Shagohod was considered such a threat was that it represented an ability that the U.S. did not have. Its armor was also thick and strong enough to withstand even the blast of an RPG-7's round without a scratch

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pogo_rabid
08/20/19 1:49:28 AM
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I thought trump was russia's bitch though?
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sundered
08/20/19 2:03:37 AM
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Spooking posted...
The Russian puppet is at it again!!11!

"he's just following putins orders" - some geopolitical genius, probably
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Hexenherz
08/20/19 7:09:51 AM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Hexenherz posted...
That's not quite how they work.


Sokolov referred to the Shagohod as the "Treading Behemoth," though a more accurate translation of the name is "Step Walker" or "Great Step." It was originally built as a nuclear-equipped tank that could launch nuclear missiles from any type of terrain. However, a major problem developed when it became apparent that the Soviet Union's ICBMs during the 1960s were too big for the Shagohod to carry. The Soviet military didn't wish to hear of it, as they wanted a weapon that could launch an ICBM directly into the American homeland. Sokolov was the one who came up with the idea for it to utilize his Vostok cluster rocket design to accelerate the Shagohod enough to launch an IRBM to lauch at the same speed as an ICBM, dubbed "Phase 2."
Though it was originally intended to be a theatre- to intermediate-range nuclear weapons platform, operable from any type of terrain, the final "Phase 2" design of the Shagohod used rocket boosters to propel the behemoth to a speed of over 300 miles per hour (480 kilometers per hour) before launching its nuclear missile, essentially acting as an additional stage, increasing the range to ICBM levels. Upon launching a nuclear missile, it would then release three parachutes as a means of braking the Shagohod.[3] The main disadvantage was that the Shagohod required 3 miles (4.8 kilometres) of flat, even land, such as a long road or runway, to get up to speed and decelerate safely.
The perceived advantage of Shagohod over traditional silos was its mobility and thus relative stealth. As a mobile weapon, it was also suited to more aggressive posturing, leading to the threat of a nuclear first strike with the new system. Nuclear submarines carrying ballistic missiles represent almost the same capability; the reason the Shagohod was considered such a threat was that it represented an ability that the U.S. did not have. Its armor was also thick and strong enough to withstand even the blast of an RPG-7's round without a scratch

MGS3 made me cry with its ending :|
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ModLogic
08/20/19 5:03:04 PM
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MuayThai85 posted...
The hypocrisy is hilarious. "Don't test these certain kinds of weapons even though we started testing them before you did! You don't want to make us angry, do you?".
lol "hey kim no nukes for you. only we can have nukes."

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E32005
08/20/19 10:22:57 PM
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ModLogic posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
The hypocrisy is hilarious. "Don't test these certain kinds of weapons even though we started testing them before you did! You don't want to make us angry, do you?".
lol "hey kim no nukes for you. only we can have nukes."

No shithole nukes
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PrettyBoyFloyd
08/20/19 10:33:17 PM
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We really need to revive the Cold War.

Lunatic Killers, Gang Bangers and Terrorists have gotten boring and common.

I want to hear some World destroying news, like the old days.
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Hexenherz
08/21/19 2:57:25 PM
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ModLogic posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
The hypocrisy is hilarious. "Don't test these certain kinds of weapons even though we started testing them before you did! You don't want to make us angry, do you?".
lol "hey kim no nukes for you. only we can have nukes."

I mean, no one really wants anyone who doesn't already have them to have them - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons North Korea had even acceded to this several decades ago and then withdrew.
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thronedfire2
08/21/19 2:58:26 PM
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I thought Russia already started testing new missiles
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Hexenherz
08/21/19 3:11:17 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I thought Russia already started testing new missiles

Correct. It's also specifically the function/intended range of the missile that makes a difference, since an entire range of nuclear missiles was banned under INF.
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Bad_Mojo
08/21/19 3:12:07 PM
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I just saw on the news yesterday that Russia is fucking with some sort of nuke that could pass our defenses

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E32005
08/21/19 3:14:05 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
I just saw on the news yesterday that Russia is fucking with some sort of nuke that could pass our defenses

Trying to

Failing miserably
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Esrac
08/21/19 5:18:35 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving


Uh... we already have mobile nukes. But they're on submarines instead of trucks.
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Hexenherz
08/21/19 11:38:15 PM
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Esrac posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...
We need mobile nukes tbh Russia has a shit ton of nukes on mobile trucks missile bunkers can be destroyed mobile Trucks are always moving


Uh... we already have mobile nukes. But they're on submarines instead of trucks.

Russia has SLBMs, too.
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