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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/us/indiana-farmers-market-white-supremacy.html

Amid the Kale and Corn, Fears of White Supremacy at the Farmers Market

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. Justin Williams was baking a tray of gluten-free seeded bread for the next mornings farmers market when his phone buzzed. It was a friend who grows organic sprouts, nervously wondering if he should bring along a shotgun to market.

It has been a summer of fear, protest and tension in this crunchy college town ever since the popular Saturday morning farmers market was jolted by allegations that a husband and wife who had been longtime sellers of organic tomatoes and kale were also white nationalists.

The accusations exploded into public view after activists and online sleuths used federal court records and the leaked archives of a far-right message board to uncover a digital trail they say connects the couple who own Schooner Creek Farm to an organization that promotes white nationalism and white American identity.

The rumors of white supremacy amid the stalls of clover honey and sweet corn left farmers and shoppers reeling: Not even their seemingly placid farmers market was immune from the battles over extremism convulsing the country at a time of rising alarm over white supremacist violence.

In recent weeks, residents packed public meetings to debate whether Schooner Creek should be asked to leave or allowed to stay. There were protests and counterprotests. Some decided to stay away from the turmoil. Others, like Mr. Williamss farmer friend, were so disturbed by the unrest they considered arming themselves.

The situation grew so volatile that Bloomingtons mayor suspended the market late last month over public safety concerns. It abruptly short-circuited the heart of Saturday morning life in this heavily white, liberal town of 85,000 that is home to Indiana University. The market has more than 130 vendors and draws as many as 12,000 people downtown at the height of the growing season.

Anti-fascist protesters showed up one weekend dressed in black to stand in front of Schooner Creek Farms vegetable stall. A week later, armed members of a conservative militia group drove into Bloomington to support the farm against what they called anti-fascist enemies. Online, members of white nationalist groups have seized on the story and rallied behind Schooner Creek.

Schooner Creeks owners deny being white supremacists, and say they keep their political beliefs out of the market. They have said on social media that they are being harassed, demonized and hounded out of the farmers market by left-wing activists because of a handful of mildly pro-white comments. They have not been accused of any wrongdoing or violence, and say they are the ones who have become victims of the cult of the left.

FrozenXylophone posted...

It was a friend who grows organic sprouts, nervously wondering if he should bring along a shotgun to market.

FrozenXylophone posted...

a handful of mildly pro-white comments.

Suuuuuuuuuure

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I am disgusted at the level of lies, misinformation, falsehoods and intimidation by those who do not know me or my family, she said. Ms. Dye referred to herself as an identitarian, which she described as a worldview that emphasizes the importance of identity.

Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino, described the European-rooted identitarian movement as repackaged white supremacy that opposed immigration and promoted white identity.
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The public outcry crystallized this spring after federal prosecutors filed a long sentencing document in a criminal case against Nolan Brewer, a 21-year-old man who idolized Nazis and pleaded guilty to a hate-crime charge for painting swastikas on a synagogue in Carmel, Ind.

Deep in the 200-page document was a 2018 F.B.I. interview in which Mr. Brewer briefly mentioned meeting with Sarah and Douglas, and reported that the woman had been posting as Volkmom on a chat board of Identity Evropa, which the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center call a white nationalist or white supremacist group. The group has since rebranded as the American Identity Movement.

Ah,
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FrozenXylophone posted...

a handful of mildly pro-white comments.

xD so you nazis...got it.
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DrizztLink posted...

FrozenXylophone posted...

?a handful of mildly pro-white comments.?

Suuuuuuuuuure

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They forgot to mention that the city stated the farmer's market can't kick out the couple as it is a violation of their freedom of speech.

Then police arrested an Asian woman who was protesting with a sign stating the couple had routinely harrassed her.

And did nothing about the heavily armed racist group who's sole intention was to intimidate. >_>
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Antifar posted...

I am disgusted at the level of lies, misinformation, falsehoods and intimidation by those who do not know me or my family, she said. Ms. Dye referred to herself as an identitarian, which she described as a worldview that emphasizes the importance of identity.

Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino, described the European-rooted identitarian movement as repackaged white supremacy that opposed immigration and promoted white identity.
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The public outcry crystallized this spring after federal prosecutors filed a long sentencing document in a criminal case against Nolan Brewer, a 21-year-old man who idolized Nazis and pleaded guilty to a hate-crime charge for painting swastikas on a synagogue in Carmel, Ind.

Deep in the 200-page document was a 2018 F.B.I. interview in which Mr. Brewer briefly mentioned meeting with Sarah and Douglas, and reported that the woman had been posting as Volkmom on a chat board of Identity Evropa, which the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center call a white nationalist or white supremacist group. The group has since rebranded as the American Identity Movement.

Ah,

Big yikes
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/farmers-markets-have-new-unwelcome-guests-fascists

Any Whites who have spent time living in a neighborhood or attending a school with a non-white majority know the strife that Whites endure, Dye wrote in an Identity Evropa chat in January. I can attest to it myself. She also wrote of trying to win over a family member by showing videos from a white supremacist channel.

This white nationalist site helpfully has further details:
https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/06/indiana-pro-white-farmers-threatened-persecuted-by-jewish-funded-leftists/

She wrote about homeschooling her kids and giving people recommendations for non-PC books.

Especially this year as we are starting History. I am going to reference March of the Titans by Arthur Kemp alongside the more mainstream Story of the World, she posted Aug. 17, 2018.

They [Native Americans] cant use the term genocide, Volkmom posted Jan. 20. Technically we have created conditions for them to prosper, although they do not today for other reasons.

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Antifar posted...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/farmers-markets-have-new-unwelcome-guests-fascists

Any Whites who have spent time living in a neighborhood or attending a school with a non-white majority know the strife that Whites endure, Dye wrote in an Identity Evropa chat in January. I can attest to it myself. She also wrote of trying to win over a family member by showing videos from a white supremacist channel.

This white nationalist site helpfully has further details:
https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/06/indiana-pro-white-farmers-threatened-persecuted-by-jewish-funded-leftists/

She wrote about homeschooling her kids and giving people recommendations for non-PC books.

Especially this year as we are starting History. I am going to reference March of the Titans by Arthur Kemp alongside the more mainstream Story of the World, she posted Aug. 17, 2018.

They [Native Americans] cant use the term genocide, Volkmom posted Jan. 20. Technically we have created conditions for them to prosper, although they do not today for other reasons.

damn; bitch needs to read a history book.
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Gotta say, I think the NYT does a disservice by not citing the posts in question, and leaving it until late in the article to note that she admitted to writing them. A lot of readers might get a few paragraphs in and think this is a story about vague, hard to prove accusations of online misdoing.
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E32005 posted...

damn; bitch needs to read a history book.

The scary thing is that if this scum is allowed to propagate, they'll end up rewriting history to fit their narrative.
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If their politics have nothing to do with their products then why do people give so much of a fuck?

This is the actual definition of a social justice warrior. People who go out of their way to find dirt on random no-name schmoes and try to ruin their lives by doing amateur cyber-sleuthing activities because it makes them feel like civil rights heroes amidst their boring lives.

Shame the Farmer's Market can't kick those pieces of garbage white supremacists out. Also a shame that bad cops have been defending them.
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Antifar posted...

Gotta say, I think the NYT does a disservice by not citing the posts in question, and leaving it until late in the article to note that she admitted to writing them. A lot of readers might get a few paragraphs in and think this is a story about vague, hard to prove online accusations.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

If their politics have nothing to do with their products then why do people give so much of a fuck?

This is the actual definition of a social justice warrior. People who go out of their way to find dirt on random no-name schmoes and try to ruin their lives by doing amateur cyber-sleuthing activities because it makes them feel like civil rights heroes amidst their boring lives.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

E32005 posted...

damn; bitch needs to read a history book.

The scary thing is that if this scum is allowed to propagate, they'll end up rewriting history to fit their narrative.

and certain users on here wonder why we attack all nazi speech
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

If their politics have nothing to do with their products then why do people give so much of a fuck?

Not everyone wants to financially support white supremacists even if they grow really good tomatoes.

we see reoccurring patterns and can predict what'll happen if we don't interfere.

so we interfere.
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we go to farmers market to buy and nothing else regardless of beliefs/political standpoint etc.
especially if the produce is at a reasonable price and it's good.

speaking of which i want to go to one but my dogs hairless tail. still a pretty dog getting on in years. she's 8.
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E32005 posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

E32005 posted...

damn; bitch needs to read a history book.

The scary thing is that if this scum is allowed to propagate, they'll end up rewriting history to fit their narrative.

and certain users on here wonder why we attack all nazi speech

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

Everyone worth acknowledging already knows Nazism is bad and this assessment has been dominant for more than half a century. Nobody is ever going to accomplish the monumental task of rewriting Nazism in a good light, and if they do it's not going to be because little xXn00b_pwner69 neglected his duties to call Nazis big meanies on the internet.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

projecting?
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

If their politics have nothing to do with their products then why do people give so much of a fuck?

They have harassed patrons of the Farmer's Market before....
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

Everyone worth acknowledging already knows Nazism is bad and this assessment has been dominant for more than half a century. Nobody is ever going to accomplish the monumental task of rewriting Nazism in a good light, and if they do it's not going to be because little xXn00b_pwner69 neglected his duties to call Nazis big meanies on the internet.

Ah, such an Enlightened Centrist we have here

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QueenCarly posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

Everyone worth acknowledging already knows Nazism is bad and this assessment has been dominant for more than half a century. Nobody is ever going to accomplish the monumental task of rewriting Nazism in a good light, and if they do it's not going to be because little xXn00b_pwner69 neglected his duties to call Nazis big meanies on the internet.

Ah, such an Enlightened Centrist we have here

dank meme bro

At the farmers market with my so called girlfriend. She hands me her cell phone, says it's my dad.

Maaaaaan this ain't my dad. This is a cell phone.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

QueenCarly posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

Everyone worth acknowledging already knows Nazism is bad and this assessment has been dominant for more than half a century. Nobody is ever going to accomplish the monumental task of rewriting Nazism in a good light, and if they do it's not going to be because little xXn00b_pwner69 neglected his duties to call Nazis big meanies on the internet.

Ah, such an Enlightened Centrist we have here

dank meme bro

this from the guy crying and using "virtue signaling"
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E32005 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

QueenCarly posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Mostly it's because you are hyper sensitive to it out of your yearning to signal your virtues.

Everyone worth acknowledging already knows Nazism is bad and this assessment has been dominant for more than half a century. Nobody is ever going to accomplish the monumental task of rewriting Nazism in a good light, and if they do it's not going to be because little xXn00b_pwner69 neglected his duties to call Nazis big meanies on the internet.

Ah, such an Enlightened Centrist we have here

dank meme bro

this from the guy crying and using "virtue signaling"

That's not a meme.

Isn't it interesting how RLG feels the need to defend Nazis and cry about teh libs in every topic about the subject
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ASithLord7 posted...

Isn't it interesting how RLG feels the need to defend Nazis and cry about teh libs in every topic about the subject

Point out where I defended Nazis.

I don't know why anybody even replies to RobolaserGhandi, lol
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Isn't it interesting how RLG feels the need to defend Nazis and cry about teh libs in every topic about the subject

Point out where I defended Nazis.

Dont do this, bud
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I don't know why anybody even replies to RobolaserGhandi, lol

Who was his alt again? It was someone that I had completely given up on engaging with, but I was fooled by a simple alt.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Isn't it interesting how RLG feels the need to defend Nazis and cry about teh libs in every topic about the subject

Point out where I defended Nazis.

Dont do this, bud

Yeah I really shouldn't acknowledge Rebel.

FrozenXylophone posted...

It was a friend...

It always is.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Point out where I defended Nazis.

Where you ask why people would witch hunt these people if it doesn't affect their ability to sell produce.

And ignored the part where I said they have harassed patrons of the Farmer's Market? >_>

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/breaking-bloomington-farmers-market-to-be-suspended-for-two-weeks-amid-concerns-about-public-safety.php
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At a time when Stephen Miller is running our immigration policy, I would not be so quick to downplay the spread of white nationalist views.
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Kastrada posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Point out where I defended Nazis.

Where you ask why people would witch hunt these people if it doesn't affect their ability to sell produce.

And ignored the part where I said they have harassed patrons of the Farmer's Market? >_>

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/breaking-bloomington-farmers-market-to-be-suspended-for-two-weeks-amid-concerns-about-public-safety.php

How is that defending Nazis?

That's just..."not reading".

Is this satire?

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

How is that defending Nazis?

That's just..."not reading".

I mean you did literally defend them selling at the Farmer's Market, regardless of their political belief.
And they are self-avowed Nazi's. You even admitted that their political beliefs shouldn't matter. So you accept that they have these controversial beliefs.

So you did defend Nazi's.
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Antifar posted...

At a time when Stephen Miller is running our immigration policy, I would not be so quick to downplay the spread of white nationalist views.

...the dad-rock guy?

Then they all started clubbing each other with ears of corn, each blow sending corn kernels exploding every which direction. One man was so angry and red, they kernels that hit him would turn to popcorn.

It was true, white supremacy has befallen our humble farmers market as trumps trade war continues to ravage our lands. Civil war, death, where art thine sting.

Antifar posted...

Gotta say, I think the NYT does a disservice by not citing the posts in question, and leaving it until late in the article to note that she admitted to writing them. A lot of readers might get a few paragraphs in and think this is a story about vague, hard to prove accusations of online misdoing.

Yeah thats what it sounded like to me until you posted the rest.

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.
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Kastrada posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

How is that defending Nazis?

That's just..."not reading".

I mean you did literally defend them selling at the Farmer's Market, regardless of their political belief.
And they are self-avowed Nazi's. You even admitted that their political beliefs shouldn't matter. So you accept that they have these controversial beliefs.

So you did defend Nazi's.

Where did it say they were Nazis? The article said white nationalists and the lady described herself only as "identarian".

And even if they were Nazis, that would be defending their right to have a business, not defending Nazism.

Shablagoo posted...

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.

Well that sounds more like it's because you had minimal human contact in high school.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Shablagoo posted...

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.

Well that sounds more like it's because you had minimal human contact in high school.

Aren't you weapon dood, who got upset over mixed race couples in commercials?
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Shablagoo posted...

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.

Well that sounds more like it's because you had minimal human contact in high school.

What are you basing this claim off of
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LightningAce11 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Shablagoo posted...

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.

Well that sounds more like it's because you had minimal human contact in high school.

Aren't you weapon dood, who got upset over mixed race couples in commercials?

Wait is this true
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Whats hilarious about this bitch thinking that white people have it tough is that the part of Indiana theyre from (and a lot of the state) is not that diverse.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Where did it say they were Nazis? The article said white nationalists and the lady described herself only as "identarian".

And even if they were Nazis, that would be defending their right to have a business, not defending Nazism.

I never said you defended Nazism. I said you defended Nazi's.

Actually let's go with your argument and I'll even change things to adhere to your definitions.

You have a woman working at a Farmer's Market. She has posted racist stuff on social media, argued for a white ethnostate, and has ties to white supremacist groups.

You say that she should be allowed to continue to sell her produce at the Market because her beliefs and the Market do not overlap, correct?

Yet she has a history of posting racist propaganda on minorities' offices who are patrons of the Farmer's Market. So there is now specific overlap between her ideals and the Market she sells at.

Do you think she should still be allowed to sell there or should she be forced to leave?
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LightningAce11 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Shablagoo posted...

And that thing she said about white people being persecuted in non-white majority schools, fucking nonsense. From elementaryhigh school I went to 95% black student body-schools and didnt face racism.

Well that sounds more like it's because you had minimal human contact in high school.

Aren't you weapon dood, who got upset over mixed race couples in commercials?

I *thought* his shit-posting looked familiar.
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