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Joeydollaz
08/17/19 4:08:57 PM
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Solid Snake07
08/17/19 4:16:46 PM
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So glad i dont live in Portland anymore.

Love the city but it's just become a political dumpster fire
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The Admiral
08/17/19 4:18:26 PM
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Reminder that most of the violent shitheads in Portland who destroyed property during their outrage over Trump's election didn't even vote:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/report-most-of-arrested-portland-protesters-didnt-vote-in-oregon/467507196

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The Admiral
08/17/19 4:34:21 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.


If I were the kind of person who said yikes, I would say yikes to this post.

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Solid Sonic
08/17/19 4:52:03 PM
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Rioting is fun.
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ultimate reaver
08/17/19 4:55:06 PM
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At least they aren't gunning down minorities in wal marts

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Antifar
08/17/19 4:56:16 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Reminder that most of the violent shitheads in Portland who destroyed property during their outrage over Trump's election didn't even vote:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/report-most-of-arrested-portland-protesters-didnt-vote-in-oregon/467507196

Ah man, voting for Hillary in Oregon was definitely the way to enact change.
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averagejoel
08/17/19 4:56:19 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Rioting is fun.
personal feelings aside, riots are an effective means of letting people know that you want change

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tullock
08/17/19 4:56:25 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
At least they aren't gunning down minorities in wal marts


Or using their vehicles to murder people
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ultimate reaver
08/17/19 5:01:24 PM
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tullock posted...
Or using their vehicles to murder people


or setting mosques on fire...

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Hop103
08/17/19 5:04:39 PM
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Vandalism and beating up people for ideas is 100% illegal, Antifa are not good people.
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averagejoel
08/17/19 5:06:00 PM
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Hop103 posted...
Vandalism and beating up people for ideas is 100% illegal, Antifa are not good people.
are those two ideas somehow related?

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Stewman_Magoo
08/17/19 5:07:37 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
tullock posted...
Or using their vehicles to murder people


or setting mosques on fire...


Or mailing explosives to Democrats
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tullock
08/17/19 5:09:39 PM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
tullock posted...
Or using their vehicles to murder people


or setting mosques on fire...


Or mailing explosives to Democrats


It's almost like they're using terror in pursuit of their political beliefs
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NonDairyMiltank
08/17/19 5:14:54 PM
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the mayor won't do anything about it and its been made pretty clear by his consistent interference with local police (who want to round up Antifa losers) that he's not interested in preventing any of Antifa's instances of violence

as far as hes concerned anything violent Antifa does (including on camera) is justified
even if that means some innocent bystanders get occasionally mobbed during a protest conflict
not everyone who's been physically assaulted by Antifa protesters were Andy Ngos or the Proud Boys...
some of the victims were just unaffiliated bystanders passing through and still got attacked by belligerent Antifa goons

this is why although i'm fairly left myself i refuse to support or even identify Antifa as a social justice activist group
they claim to be all about fighting fascism, but their methods (particularly the violent ones caught on cam) are demonstrations of fascism themselves
you're not an activist against fascism if you openly commit it as one of your go-to methods of protest...

thats not social justice
its using pseudo-activism as an excuse to assault people...
like in many protest groups, some of these clowns are just sociopaths looking for any excuse to crack skulls regardless of politics
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Antifar
08/17/19 5:15:51 PM
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NonDairyMiltank posted...
they claim to be all about fighting fascism, but their methods (particularly the violent ones caught on cam) are demonstrations of fascism themselves
you're not an activist against fascism if you openly commit it as one of your go-to methods of protest...

What do you think fascism means, exactly?
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Paragon21XX
08/17/19 5:16:28 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo" data-time="

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Blue_Dream87
08/17/19 5:24:31 PM
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Portland is one of the few cities that needs Antifa

Place is a magnet for fascist fucks thanks to Oregons shitty history


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YourDrunkFather
08/17/19 5:24:51 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
At least they aren't gunning down minorities in wal marts


Nope. Theyre doing it in bars
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SiO4
08/17/19 5:25:11 PM
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Where are the live streams. There must be some.
Or I should say none network streams.
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averagejoel
08/17/19 5:25:49 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
Nope. Theyre doing it in bars
do you have evidence that that shooter was politically motivated? or that he even did anything with antifa?

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konokonohamaru
08/17/19 5:26:41 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

https://c4ss.org/content/39744

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6R7_9yrhWc" data-time="


Solid take. A true millennial
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muchdran
08/17/19 5:28:05 PM
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Fuck antifa
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hockeybub89
08/17/19 5:30:11 PM
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pikachupwnage
08/17/19 5:36:09 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

https://c4ss.org/content/39744

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6R7_9yrhWc" data-time="


All mindless destruction does is give ammo to the other side to further oppress you and give those who sympathized with you or who didn't have a strong opinion reason to back away from your cause.

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hockeybub89
08/17/19 5:37:15 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
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All mindless destruction does is give ammo to the other side to further oppress you and give those who sympathized with you or who didn't have a strong opinion reason to back away from your cause.

Are you saying that the government is Nazis and everyone else are Nazi sympathizers?
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Questionmarktarius
08/17/19 5:39:11 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
https://c4ss.org/content/39744

Did anyone else actually read that?

The tl;dr seems to me to be "Just live your life, and don't worry about things you have no real influence over anyway" with an extended rambling rant before that.
Is that right?
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ultimate reaver
08/17/19 5:45:17 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Are you saying that the government is Nazis and everyone else are Nazi sympathizers?


No, he's saying

1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

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I Like Toast
08/17/19 5:48:30 PM
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Antifar posted...
Ah man, voting for Hillary in Oregon was definitely the way to enact change.

Ah man, the president is the only person who can be elected on election day
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Questionmarktarius
08/17/19 5:49:35 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Antifar posted...
Ah man, voting for Hillary in Oregon was definitely the way to enact change.

Ah man, the president is the only person who can be elected on election day

The president was never meant to be directly elected anyway.
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hockeybub89
08/17/19 5:51:54 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Are you saying that the government is Nazis and everyone else are Nazi sympathizers?


No, he's saying

1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

He said Antifa causing violence will give the other side ammo to oppress them and make their supporters and people on the fence turn against them.

The other side is white supremacists, who are also violent and have an inherently bloody and evil agenda. Why would Antifa violence turn people to the other side and how would white supremacists have the tools to oppress if they are not in political power? Do we all sit keep backing away from sides where there might be violence until everyone is tripping over each other on the extreme centrist line? What happens when a centrist commits violence? Do we collapse into a singularity?
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ModLogic
08/17/19 7:43:45 PM
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Hop103 posted...
Vandalism and beating up people for ideas is 100% illegal, Antifa are not good people.
yea they are pieces of shit

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FrisbeeDude
08/17/19 7:45:22 PM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
Or mailing explosives to Democrats


or slaughtering black church goers

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MrNintendo1213
08/17/19 8:04:34 PM
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Admiral and his crew taking a hard stance to fight for white supremacy advocates.
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muchdran
08/17/19 9:22:48 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Are you saying that the government is Nazis and everyone else are Nazi sympathizers?


No, he's saying

1. Voting changes nothing except to legitimize the power structure used to oppress you.
2. Property destruction is a whole different category of "violence" that is ridiculous to lump in with actual violence against people.
3. Property destruction has a useful place in protests.

He said Antifa causing violence will give the other side ammo to oppress them and make their supporters and people on the fence turn against them.

The other side is white supremacists, who are also violent and have an inherently bloody and evil agenda. Why would Antifa violence turn people to the other side and how would white supremacists have the tools to oppress if they are not in political power? Do we all sit keep backing away from sides where there might be violence until everyone is tripping over each other on the extreme centrist line? What happens when a centrist commits violence? Do we collapse into a singularity?

Which ones are white supremacists?
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Bloodychess
08/17/19 9:23:57 PM
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Just remember

These kids don't belong to a group

*According to CE posters

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/17/19 9:30:14 PM
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Stewman_Magoo posted...
Or mailing explosives to Democrats


or slaughtering black church goers


I mean, arent antifa also violent? Punches nazis is cool and all but What happens if they target someone by accident?

The same thing that happens when everyone else targets someone by accident. This is a non-sequitur. What happens when a Nazi targets someone by accident? Should everyone become a Nazi because one Nazi accidentally beats up a bad guy instead of the usual Nazi targets?
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kingdrake2
08/17/19 9:33:58 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
So glad i dont live in Portland anymore.

Love the city but it's just become a political dumpster fire


my mom used to live there, wasn't the politically charged type just lived life in general.
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konokonohamaru
08/17/19 9:53:52 PM
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imo if your arguments are so bad that you lose to Nazis and have to resort to punching them, that's on you.
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Blue_Dream87
08/17/19 10:03:56 PM
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Are we gonna ignore how the police support the fascist groups targeting Antifa?

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2018/10/15/23710274/members-of-patriot-prayer-brought-loaded-firearms-to-roof-before-august-protest

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/02/14/texts-between-portland-police-and-patriot-prayer-ringleader-joey-gibson-show-warm-exchange/

Right wing pundits and media have painted Antifa as some violent hate group by taking a few events and lumping the entire movement under them. All Antifa is is a movement that opposed fascist movements, and do so mainly through raising awareness and exposing these groups.

https://unicornriot.ninja/2017/anticom-discord-server-shows-months-neo-nazi-incitement/

(Also feel free to look up your local Antifa, you'll probably see a lack of calls for violence and just calling out fascist speakers)

Yes, we should decry any violent individuals who attack or vandalize otherwise innocent people/businesses, but those individuals do not represent the movement as a whole, which consists of a number of political ideologies united for the singular goal of stomping fascism before it festers. Violence against these actual fascists is justified as a form of preemptive self defense: their goal is intrinsically and historically violent towards innocents. They are not allies or victims, they're a virus that needs to be quarantined and left to die off.

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gunplagirl
08/17/19 10:11:51 PM
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konokonohamaru posted...
imo if your arguments are so bad that you lose to Nazis and have to resort to punching them, that's on you.


There's zero reason to debate Nazis, Nazis already lost the argument the moment they advocated for genocide of minorities.

People punch Nazis because they're a threat to us all.
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SH_expert44
08/17/19 10:13:33 PM
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