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cjs28
08/15/19 5:37:04 PM
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He was a felon with a history of firearm charges who got all those guns illegally. Gun control wouldn't have done anything to stop him
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UnholyMudcrab
08/15/19 5:38:01 PM
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Hanky_Bannister
08/15/19 5:38:23 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Nothing good can come of this.

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ultimate reaver
08/15/19 5:42:41 PM
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he would have just put in a cheat code for infinite throwing knives

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NeonOctopus
08/15/19 5:43:41 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
he would have just put in a cheat code for infinite throwing knives

He had a 4 star wanted level
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AlephZero
08/15/19 5:47:29 PM
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he only had two decades of assault and firearms convictions, nobody could have predicted he would do this
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Colorahdo
08/15/19 5:48:40 PM
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Gun control wouldn't stop all mass shootings

just most of them
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Tropicalwood
08/15/19 5:56:59 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Gun control wouldn't stop all mass shootings

just most of them

No it wouldn't, Columbine happened under the AWB and and the laws past for the Stoner shooter wouldn't at all have stopped him. In fact those Red Flag laws actually caused an increase in police shootings.

Maybe you should look more into censoring the same media that made the Columbine shooters famous for ratings.
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TheVipaGTS
08/15/19 5:58:52 PM
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Yes were not stupid enough to believe that better control would stop 100% of incidents. But it would limit others and prevent certain people who shouldnt have one from having one. Just because some people have illegal things doesnt mean every single person will. DUI laws are still broken everyday but if we didnt have them you dont think there would be an increase in drunk driving arrests or accidents?

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GallisOTK
08/15/19 6:01:30 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Yes were not stupid enough to believe that better control would stop 100% of incidents. But it would limit others and prevent certain people who shouldnt have one from having one. Just because some people have illegal things doesnt mean every single person will. DUI laws are still broken everyday but if we didnt have them you dont think there would be an increase in drunk driving arrests or accidents?

This. It's not about stopping all of them because that's sadly impossible. It's about stopping as many as we can.
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Questionmarktarius
08/15/19 6:05:33 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
But it would limit others and prevent certain people who shouldnt have one from having one.

Which one stole his mom's guns, and shot her with them?
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TheVipaGTS
08/15/19 6:07:01 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Which one stole his mom's guns, and shot her with them?
What are you talking about? What part of we know it wont stop 100% of incidents dont you understand? The logic of it wouldnt have stopped this therefore it wont stop any! Is so stupid.

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Smashingpmkns
08/15/19 6:07:27 PM
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Speed limits don't stop people from speeding so I guess we shouldn't have those either.
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Unsugarized_Foo
08/15/19 6:08:35 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Speed limits don't stop people from speeding so I guess we shouldn't have those either.


Yaaasssss

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NeonOctopus
08/15/19 6:10:10 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Speed limits don't stop people from speeding so I guess we shouldn't have those either.

I'm unironically okay with that >_> There was a study shown that when there's no speed limits people do drive a little faster but they still drive at a speed they feel comfortable and in control. And traffic was smoother cuz of it. It had no difference in the amount of asshole speeders than speed limits did anyway.
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Questionmarktarius
08/15/19 6:10:28 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Which one stole his mom's guns, and shot her with them?
What are you talking about? What part of we know it wont stop 100% of incidents dont you understand? The logic of it wouldnt have stopped this therefore it wont stop any! Is so stupid.

Well, we know which one's weren't stopped.

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PIITB415
08/15/19 6:10:47 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Yaaasssss


Agreed. Autobahn

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Tropicalwood
08/15/19 6:11:00 PM
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GallisOTK posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Yes were not stupid enough to believe that better control would stop 100% of incidents. But it would limit others and prevent certain people who shouldnt have one from having one. Just because some people have illegal things doesnt mean every single person will. DUI laws are still broken everyday but if we didnt have them you dont think there would be an increase in drunk driving arrests or accidents?

This. It's not about stopping all of them because that's sadly impossible. It's about stopping as many as we can.

Bullshit, it's about death by 1000 cuts. If you were really all about stopping as much violence as possible you'd be supporting the censorship of media that glorifies violence and harsh prison sentences that would've kept this man off the streets for decades. Not banning things because they look scary or giving the government powers that enable shootouts for no good reason.
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Tmaster148
08/15/19 6:12:14 PM
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Laws don't stop people from breaking laws, let's have no laws.
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mario2000
08/15/19 6:12:17 PM
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drug laws don't stop people from doing drugs so we shouldn't have those either

theft laws don't stop people from stealing

rape laws don't stop people from raping

etc.

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Questionmarktarius
08/15/19 6:13:51 PM
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mario2000 posted...
drug laws don't stop people from doing drugs so we shouldn't have those either

theft laws don't stop people from stealing

rape laws don't stop people from raping

etc.

Laws do not and cannot prevent behavior.
All law is, is a mechanism for punishing behavior after it happens, and a declaration of the intent to do so.
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mario2000
08/15/19 6:17:54 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Laws do not and cannot prevent behavior.
All law is, is a mechanism for punishing behavior after it happens, and a declaration of the intent to do so.


got any more obvious info for us captain obvious

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Questionmarktarius
08/15/19 6:18:49 PM
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mario2000 posted...
got any more obvious info for us captain obvious

okay.

Someone intent on destroying as much as possible, including himself, isn't going to care much about punishment.
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Bloodychess
08/15/19 6:24:25 PM
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AlephZero posted...
he only had two decades of assault and firearms convictions, nobody could have predicted he would do this

If only gun control had stopped him earlier
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mario2000
08/15/19 6:35:15 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
okay.

Someone intent on destroying as much as possible, including himself, isn't going to care much about punishment.


well no shit

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TheGleamEyes
08/15/19 6:36:33 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
DUI laws are still broken everyday but if we didnt have them you dont think there would be an increase in drunk driving arrests or accidents?


The consequences of drunk driving has been hammered into society, from television ads to school presentations and more. If someone still chooses to drive drunk, then that's on the person.

Which comes back to guns and mass shootings. The common denominator in the crime is not the tool (alcohol + car or gun), but the person who chooses to commit the act.

And what's the point of gun bans if you're not going to enforce it a.k.a. making sure that people who aren't supposed to have gun, don't actually have them (Stop & Frisk,etc.) or imposing harsher penalties (20+ year prison time and the like). Typical virtue signaling without doing anything real.
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